Foxile Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 You're all very kind to have failed to mock this Possible kinder still not to flag up your (lack of) knowledge about city players past
ian_marshall Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Pearson coached out the flair of Knockaert? Behave man. The way Mahrez is tracking back these days, does that mean Ranieri is coaching out the flair of him too? At what point did I suggest that a relationship exists between tracking back and playing with Flair. The two are completely independent of each other. Yes, Mahrez does track back well but this is when the opposition are on the offensive and we don't have the ball. When we are in possession Ranieri has given him the freedom to play as he wishes which allows him to express himself more. Knockaert was the same. Defensively Pearson improved him and created an expectation of tracking back to support the team. However, offensively Pearson put the shackles on him in my opinion. The more time he spent with the club the more risk averse he became and moved away from his natural attacking game which he showed in abundance during his first season with the club. This looked to me to be a tactical decision as Pearson appeared to want to keep possession of the ball irrespective of the position on the pitch. I'm not knocking Pearson as he did an incredible job during his tenure, but his style of play was very cautious and this impacted several players not just Knockaert. To use your example of Mahrez, look at his transformation under Ranieri and the difference it makes when you allow players to use the ball as they desire and play there natural game. He's already yielded more goals and assists after just over a third of the season gone than the whole of last season, but as you mentioned has also improved the defensive side of his game.
4everfox Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Would loved to have seen Knocky in this squad. Think he would have flourished under Ranieri as I think he would have given him free reign to express himself and not coached all of the flair out of him like Pearson did. I know people banged on about his lack of pace but by being able to play with both feet I personally don't think it was as big a problem as some made out. Knoackaert in the number 10 role would have been perfect.
Babylon Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Would loved to have seen Knocky in this squad. Think he would have flourished under Ranieri as I think he would have given him free reign to express himself and not coached all of the flair out of him like Pearson did. I know people banged on about his lack of pace but by being able to play with both feet I personally don't think it was as big a problem as some made out. For goodness sake, do people not listen to what players and managers say? The best players in the world will track back and put effort in. You might think their treatment is harsh under Pearson, but it was all about them learning. Ranieri has said exactly the same about him earlier this season when he also dropped Mahrez for not doing that well enough. Mahrez recently has been fantastic at getting stuck in when he needs to, something he's often not done. That's thanks in part to the lessons taught by Pearson and Ranieri, that to play you need to do both. Other players have also commented on how they've had a go at Mahrez about needing to track back. Knoackaert in the number 10 role would have been perfect. People said the same about Mahrez... and he was shit and got out muscled more often than not.
Babylon Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 At what point did I suggest that a relationship exists between tracking back and playing with Flair. The two are completely independent of each other. Yes, Mahrez does track back well but this is when the opposition are on the offensive and we don't have the ball. When we are in possession Ranieri has given him the freedom to play as he wishes which allows him to express himself more. Knockaert was the same. Defensively Pearson improved him and created an expectation of tracking back to support the team. However, offensively Pearson put the shackles on him in my opinion. The more time he spent with the club the more risk averse he became and moved away from his natural attacking game which he showed in abundance during his first season with the club. This looked to me to be a tactical decision as Pearson appeared to want to keep possession of the ball irrespective of the position on the pitch. I'm not knocking Pearson as he did an incredible job during his tenure, but his style of play was very cautious and this impacted several players not just Knockaert. To use your example of Mahrez, look at his transformation under Ranieri and the difference it makes when you allow players to use the ball as they desire and play there natural game. He's already yielded more goals and assists after just over a third of the season gone than the whole of last season, but as you mentioned has also improved the defensive side of his game. Jesus Christ it's so black and white isn't it. He's doing better this year = Ranieri made him better. Lets just totally forget that he was the same at the end of last year under Pearson. Lets just forget that he's got an improved team around him, with more defensive minded and mobile players around him, like Kante, or Fuchs on the left if he's there and Simpson on the right when he's there. Enabling him to actually push on a bit more without worrying what Schlupp and De Laet were fannying around at behind him. The more solid base you provide him, the more you can let him express himself. If the base isn't solid, you can't let him do it as much. As for Knockaert. Of course he's going to look more attacking if all he gives a shit about it attack. By improving the defensive side of his game (which needs to be done), you're naturally not going to look as attacking. It's a team game and the team benefits from him doing both.
Manwell Pablo Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Izzet was the biggest loss in recent years. I know he had to leave because we couldn't afford him, but I firmly believe we would have got promoted again if he'd have stayed. With him in the side we were brilliant. We sold Izzet at exactly the right time, was done.
AKCJ Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Really?!? If you're going to have a pop at least do us the courtesy of explaining why. I thought this forum was about opinions. You may not agree and you're more than entitled to your own views but is there really any need to lower the tone of the thread with offensive language? What are you on about though? Knockaert is definitely not two-footed and he was absolutely didn't have the "flair coached out of him".
kingfox Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Gradel for sure. Don't know why some of you lot are listing Hobbs & Knockaert, both overrated by fans. Much better team now without Knockaert while Hobbs just hoofed it or put the ball into row Z all the time.
Gerard Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 I'm going to have to say Mark Draper too. Our first million pound signing and you could just tell. We had a terrible team that first time in the Prem under Brian Little but whenever Drapes was on the ball, I was confident of him not only keeping it but doing something with it. Who can ever forget the Draper Turn too! I never felt as though he ever reached his potential at Villa. He was certainly international quality but other than a squad call up, he never got a cap, did he? Such a shame. What a player he could have been in the right team, not necessarily ours, but had he gone to a top side things may well have been different for him. Still one of my all time favourite players despite only being with us for one season. A bit like Cambiasso too! He's a player that doesn't get mentioned a lot but I could argue a case he's been the best player I've ever seen in a Leicester shirt. He stuck out in that team like a sore thumb and I was amazed he never really progressed after he left us. I remember us playing Tottenham and Jurgen Klinsmann said after the game, "I'd never heard of Mark Draper before but there he was running the game like a young Lothar Matthaeus". He went back to Bayern Munich a year later and urged them to sign him.
MC Prussian Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Max Gradel Emile Heskey (two or three more seasons at Leicester - I'd have loved that) Gareth McAuley Tom Cleverley (but it remains debatable whether we'd have ever been successful in securing a permanent deal) Jeffrey Bruma and Kyle Naughton (but a case just like Cleverley's) Also makes me wonder whether we would've gotten more out of Stefan Oakes before he was released by Adams in 2003 and what could've become of Richard Stearman at Leicester if we hadn't been relegated to League One in 2008. And David Connolly had a rather decent career after leaving us in 2005, I think.
Fox92 Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Gradel for sure. Don't know why some of you lot are listing Hobbs & Knockaert, both overrated by fans. Much better team now without Knockaert while Hobbs just hoofed it or put the ball into row Z all the time. You could say that about any player that has moved on. As for Hobbs, can't comment on what he would be like in the PL, but he was certainly solid for us. As was Morrison. We had a solid defence at that period under Pearson and Hobbs was at the heart of that. He was included in the spine of the team and I don't know how you can say the opposite. Defenders aren't there to play the ball out - some do, and some are very good on the ball - but kicking into Row Z is usually what he pay them for.
norwichfox Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Letting Callum Davidson and Taggart leave on frees as well was rather criminal... I agree, we would have been much better off to have put a contract out on Dennis Wise.
Fox92 Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 And David Connolly had a rather decent career after leaving us in 2005, I think. We couldn't reject £3million (was it that much?) for Connolly though. And yeah, he was one of my favourite players at the time too.
ian_marshall Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Jesus Christ it's so black and white isn't it. He's doing better this year = Ranieri made him better. Lets just totally forget that he was the same at the end of last year under Pearson. Lets just forget that he's got an improved team around him, with more defensive minded and mobile players around him, like Kante, or Fuchs on the left if he's there and Simpson on the right when he's there. Enabling him to actually push on a bit more without worrying what Schlupp and De Laet were fannying around at behind him. The more solid base you provide him, the more you can let him express himself. If the base isn't solid, you can't let him do it as much. As for Knockaert. Of course he's going to look more attacking if all he gives a shit about it attack. By improving the defensive side of his game (which needs to be done), you're naturally not going to look as attacking. It's a team game and the team benefits from him doing both. I never said it was black and white, they are your words not mine. I simply stated that just because someone tracks back more isn't a reason why they'd display less flair in attacking situations as the two are not related. Regarding your point about Mahrez's performances at the back end of last season. I agree that he upped his game significantly, however statistically his form was very different as he's now creating and assisting far more frequently. Yes he plays in a better team now and I take this on board, however the same logic would surely have to apply to other players too.
HighPeakFox Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Possible kinder still not to flag up your (lack of) knowledge about city players past Enlighten me as to my lack of knowledge.....
Izzy Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Enlighten me as to my lack of knowledge..... You have a great knowledge of the English language, grammar, spelling and all that kind of stuff HPF, I'll give you that..
Guest Col city fan Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Would loved to have seen Knocky in this squad. Think he would have flourished under Ranieri as I think he would have given him free reign to express himself and not coached all of the flair out of him like Pearson did. I know people banged on about his lack of pace but by being able to play with both feet I personally don't think it was as big a problem as some made out. It would have fascinating to have seen Knocky coached by Ranieri and not Pearson. That's said, his lack of pace WAS an issue IMO and I don't see where he'd fit into this team at present.
HighPeakFox Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 I see. I occasionally point out errors and you've decided that means I know nothing about LCFC. That makes sense.
Vicki Vixen Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Lloyd Dyer - I thought he had another year or so in him. Clearly not as he couldn't even get a regular start in the Championship last year. We got rid of Lloyd at exactly the right time.
TJB-fox Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Clearly not as he couldn't even get a regular start in the Championship last year. We got rid of Lloyd at exactly the right time. Could've been (well it looks like) he's one of those players that just clicks brilliantly well at one club and never really recreates the same form elsewhere. Would've been great seeing Dyer play for that one year in the prem, n he deserved it
Izzy Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 I see. I occasionally point out errors and you've decided that means I know nothing about LCFC. That makes sense. It was actually Foxile that was talking about your LCFC knowledge. I was merely pointing out that you do have excellent knowledge of the English language. You could even accept it as a compliment I guess...
HighPeakFox Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Yes I realise. I'm not sure really where I have proven my ignorance of LCFC. Maybe he was having a go for the sake of it. That is fairly standard here.
HighPeakFox Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 On topic, letting ooooooooo Tommy Wright go back in 1992 put a dent in the team.
Jacnah Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Some of these actually made me laugh! Wood ??? You're kidding me! Best business we have done in years for a 6ft plus he was shocking in the air. One random one probably gareth mcauley he was solid and is still doing a bit now Both points are great shouts
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