brucey Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Just now, Tuna said: We were playing better with King/Amartey in midfield than we have since Drinkwater and Mendy returned. and we've somehow been even worse since Ndidi arrived and got into the side playing alongside Drinky. very odd indeed, so what's our actual best midfield two?
StanSP Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 14 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Amartey hasn't been in the team and we've gone 7 without a goal. Work that one out. amartey not shooting is why we haven't scored.
AKCJ Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 4 minutes ago, Col city fan said: You're not reading. (Why am I not surprised) Amartey, Mendy, King, Drinkwater....ALL have been pants. Dreadful. We've leaked goals one end, we've not made chances the other. We have one of the worst sides in the division INCLUDING one of the worst midfields. And it's why Vardy gets fewer chances than Kane. Which was my original point. If you want to argue this point, be my guest. Just cos I say it how it is, don't mean it's wrong. I just say it. Our midfield at this level is pants. It needs an overhaul or at least a complete reworking of how we set up. Amartey in the team - Leicester are about 14th and not looking like going down. Amartey leaves the team for a month - Leicester are 18th and looking like certainties to go down having not scored since he left. You've got some sort of hatred for him and you seem to have to write about it with every post you make. Has he shagged your missus or something? There's a long list of problems at LCFC but Amartey isn't even close to being at the top of the list.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 9 minutes ago, brucey said: and we've somehow been even worse since Ndidi arrived and got into the side playing alongside Drinky. very odd indeed, so what's our actual best midfield two? Statistically I think this is true? You can see that Ndidi will be a class above Amartey or Mendy, yet we've done even worse with him in the side. I think we've just got worse as a team based upon basically just about giving up.
Corky Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Amartey's scored the same amount this season as Kante and look at the players he's playing with? Amartey has contributed more, no doubt about it.
Babylon Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 20 minutes ago, Col city fan said: You're not reading. (Why am I not surprised) Amartey, Mendy, King, Drinkwater....ALL have been pants. Dreadful. We've leaked goals one end, we've not made chances the other. We have one of the worst sides in the division INCLUDING one of the worst midfields. And it's why Vardy gets fewer chances than Kane. Which was my original point. If you want to argue this point, be my guest. Just cos I say it how it is, don't mean it's wrong. I just say it. Our midfield at this level is pants. It needs an overhaul or at least a complete reworking of how we set up. Still got three of the same midfield that finished 14th and a side that won the league. It's not that bad, the issue once again is tactical. Ranieri put all our eggs in the counter attack basket, that has now been countered and he's not served up another option. The full backs never move, the strikers all want to play on the shoulder of a defence sat deep and the wingers get marked out the game as they don't get backed up. The cm's choices are mostly backwards or to lump it forwards.
SecretPro Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 At current, Ndidi is our best midfielder and looks like he could become the business. If we are going to stick with a midfield two, I'd like to see him play alongside someone other than Drinky or King. Maybe try him with Amartey.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 3 minutes ago, Babylon said: Still got three of the same midfield that finished 14th and a side that won the league. It's not that bad, the issue once again is tactical. Ranieri put all our eggs in the counter attack basket, that has now been countered and he's not served up another option. The full backs never move, the strikers all want to play on the shoulder of a defence sat deep and the wingers get marked out the game as they don't get backed up. The cm's choices are mostly backwards or to lump it forwards. It is bad. Kante made a huge difference. Give me one Kante for three Amartey's or Mendy's. I'm unsure as to whether losing one single player has ever made such a big difference to how a team performs? That said, you are right. Tactically we've changed too, AND there's clearly been a lot of poison going around, for anyone who wants to see. A new manager would improve our midfield, possibly, but that don't make it any good. Needs a revamp.
Babylon Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 1 minute ago, Col city fan said: It is bad. Kante made a huge difference. Give me one Kante for three Amartey's or Mendy's. I'm unsure as to whether losing one single player has ever made such a big difference to how a team performs? That said, you are right. Tactically we've changed too, AND there's clearly been a lot of poison going around, for anyone who wants to see. A new manager would improve our midfield, possibly, but that don't make it any good. Needs a revamp. One player doesn't turn a team into champions from relegation candidates and visa versa. This had all started last season as soon as teams dropped off even with him in the team. We started off free flowing and became more defensive and more rigid as time went on. Compounded by teams then changing how they played us. Get the team passing and moving and overlapping again and you'll notice a massive difference. Problem is doing that with opening the cb's up.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 12 minutes ago, Babylon said: One player doesn't turn a team into champions from relegation candidates and visa versa. This had all started last season as soon as teams dropped off even with him in the team. We started off free flowing and became more defensive and more rigid as time went on. Compounded by teams then changing how they played us. Get the team passing and moving and overlapping again and you'll notice a massive difference. Problem is doing that with opening the cb's up. We haven't got passers and movers. Amartey is not a 'pass and mover'. Mendy isn't a pass and mover, King isnt mobile enough. Drinkwater ain't looked bothered. The only pass and mover we now look to have, of any quality (when Drinkwater is bothered) is now Ndidi. HE'S a pass and mover, but he's so young and inexperienced. If we are to play a 442 under a new boss, I'm guessing that it'll be a midfield 2 of Drinks and Ndidi. Unless Amartey plays in defence, he won't get a sniff in midfield (hopefully) and Mendy I think will be sold. I've even wondered whether Ranieri effectively chose to play a style that bypassed our own midfield because he realised just how naff it was? Compare our lot to Erikssen, Dembele and Alli...now that IS a pass and move midfield.
TheSomersetFox Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 1 minute ago, Col city fan said: We haven't got passers and movers. Amartey is not a 'pass and mover'. Mendy isn't a pass and mover, King isnt mobile enough. Drinkwater ain't looked bothered. The only pass and mover we now look to have, of any quality (when Drinkwater is bothered) is now Ndidi. HE'S a pass and mover, but he's so young and inexperienced. If we are to play a 442 under a new boss, I'm guessing that it'll be a midfield 2 of Drinks and Ndidi. Unless Amartey plays in defence, he won't get a sniff in midfield (hopefully) and Mendy I think will be sold. Maybe if we had a manager who would coach it into them, we'd see something different. Look at the difference in players at Liverpool since Klopp has got hold of them. Some of the one touch stuff we played last year wad sublime too, and I remember Amartey being involved in a brilliant move at Sunderland last year. The key for me is our attitude without the ball anyway. We never put tackles in, we never get in teams faces and we let teams walk right through us.
ealingfox Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 I say 4-2-3-1 for the rest of the season now. Ndidi and Amartey in holding roles, with either Drinkwater or Okazaki behind the striker. Mahrez and Gray either side. Slimani or Vardy up front. Try and keep it simple, have some presence in the middle and protect the Donkey Squad as much as possible. Ndidi can push up when we are attacking to make a 4-1-4-1.
Babylon Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 2 minutes ago, Col city fan said: We haven't got passers and movers. Amartey is not a 'pass and mover'. Mendy isn't a pass and mover, King isnt mobile enough. Drinkwater ain't looked bothered. The only pass and mover we now look to have, of any quality (when Drinkwater is bothered) is now Ndidi. HE'S a pass and mover, but he's so young and inexperienced. If we are to play a 442 under a new boss, I'm guessing that it'll be a midfield 2 of Drinks and Ndidi. Unless Amartey plays in defence, he won't get a sniff in midfield (hopefully) and Mendy I think will be sold. You're talking total nonsense. Passing and moving isn't just about cm's, it's about the whole team creating space for a pass. It's not exactly rocket science and you can't just say players aren't capable when they are. From 4.50 here there are two simple examples of Amartey being involved in some good moves.
Babylon Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 6 minutes ago, Goober said: Maybe if we had a manager who would coach it into them, we'd see something different. Look at the difference in players at Liverpool since Klopp has got hold of them. Some of the one touch stuff we played last year wad sublime too, and I remember Amartey being involved in a brilliant move at Sunderland last year. The key for me is our attitude without the ball anyway. We never put tackles in, we never get in teams faces and we let teams walk right through us. Glad you remembered that as I've just spent time tracking it down.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 16 minutes ago, Babylon said: You're talking total nonsense. Passing and moving isn't just about cm's, it's about the whole team creating space for a pass. It's not exactly rocket science and you can't just say players aren't capable when they are. From 4.50 here there are two simple examples of Amartey being involved in some good moves. So to try and suggest we can be a pass and move side, when we have not scored in 2017 and have pretty much all season stated that our strikers are devoid of chances, you pick an example of ONE game where this apparently worked and could be seen. Cmon Babs. Alli, Erikssen, Dembele et al are pass and move players. That's why Tottenham score for fun. They are a pass and move team. We ain't..... We WERE a pass and move team. When we had Kante in it, possibly one of the best box to box midfielders in the world. Kante effectively brought everyone else into play. Since he's gone, that's gone.
Babylon Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 8 minutes ago, Col city fan said: So to try and suggest we can be a pass and move side, when we have not scored in 2017 and have pretty much all season stated that our strikers are devoid of chances, you pick an example of ONE game where this apparently worked and could be seen. Cmon Babs. Alli, Erikssen, Dembele et al are pass and move players. That's why Tottenham score for fun. They are a pass and move team. We ain't..... You're totally missing the point, has anyone suggested we'd be the level Spurs are? What we can be is far better than we've shown this year and that is very much down to how Ranieri changed our style of play over time and opposition adapting to the predictable style he produced. You can go back to our first season with far worse players than we have now and we were capable of putting together passing moves. Our strength was always being able to mix it up, we could go long, we could counter, we could pass it around. We were never really pigeon hold into one style like we are now.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Just now, Babylon said: You're totally missing the point, has anyone suggested we'd be the level Spurs are? What we can be is far better than we've shown this year and that is very much down to how Ranieri changed our style of play over time and opposition adapting to the predictable style he produced. You can go back to our first season with far worse players than we have now and we were capable of putting together passing moves. Our strength was always being able to mix it up, we could go long, we could counter, we could pass it around. We were never really pigeon hold into one style like we are now. No I'm not missing the point at all. It's not a complex one and I have had an education. Of course we can change it up more than we have done under recent months under Ranieri. My point is, I don't think we have good enough players to be able to do this very effectively. This could be why Ranieri went to hoof ball. Neither did he in the end. If we do go to pass and move, we ain't gonna do it through a central midfield of Amartey and Mendy. They don't have the composure on the ball, aren't quick enough with their feet and can't keep it. We'll have to change personnel too.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 2 hours ago, Fox92 said: Kane in natural. Just knows the the goal is. Vardy usually needs one or two chances before scoring. I wonder what there chance conversion rate was last season and now this? i will find out
worthosoriginals Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: Col in shoehorning Amartey into a diss shocker. ? Well he said it was Amarteys fault first part of the season (worst player to wear the shirt he claimed) turned out it wasn't all Amarteys fault....in season 2014/15, he blamed Cambiasso for us being bottom of the table, (look how that turned out) a few of us remember (the cattermolegate saga). Though to be fair I think he even finds that funny now. We do. He's been known to talk some football sense though. He's a good lad. Bless him.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 5 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said: ? Well he said it was Amarteys fault first part of the season (worst player to wear the shirt he claimed) turned out it wasn't all Amarteys fault....in season 2014/15, he blamed Cambiasso for us being bottom of the table, (look how that turned out) a few of us remember (the cattermolegate saga). Though to be fair I think he even finds that funny now. We do. He's been known to talk some football sense though. He's a good lad. Bless him. 1. I didn't say it was all Amartey's fault. I argued with all those who said he was much good. I also said he was one of the worst CM's we've had at the club for some time. At the time, he was. In terms of how this has turned out...we are in the bottom three. It's a shame none of the other CM's have been any good either. 2. I didn't blame Cambiasso, I said he was far from the world class player he once was. So again, argued with people who said this. In terms of how this turned out...we were bottom of the league until the last seven games of the season and had the longest run without winning, I think, in the history of the club? 3. I proposed Cattermole as a battling midfielder that I thought we could benefit from three seasons ago... three seasons ago. Thanks for saying I'm a good lad though. I am!
StanSP Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 would you take cattermole now instead of Amartey
M0901 Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Weren't we interested in Gabbiadini? This guy is a superb instinctive finisher.
lestajigs Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 What a good side Southampton are, I'm so jealous
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