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[Sol thewall Bamba]

Black shirted Russians similar in style to the ones in East Ukraine last year. Military trained and organised. Garuntee this has a form of state backing.

No chance, just because they're dressed in black and are organised to some extent doesn't make them state backed. Take a look at the organised fights between Russian hooligan groups, this is just them using their 'experience' from their inter team rivalries.

[GaelicFox]

No chance, just because they're dressed in black and are organised to some extent doesn't make them state backed. Take a look at the organised fights between Russian hooligan groups, this is just them using their 'experience' from their inter team rivalries.

Most of thier teams have a military background one way or another !

Thier Capo's are generally military trained nutters !

Putin sent the A Team

[VLC86]

On the odd occasion England fans had started any trouble on the Friday (I think it kicked off massively 4/5 times where we were around the Queen Vic pub) the police arrived incredibly quickly and weren't afraid to get their batons and gas out.

Yesterday when about 200 Russians pounced there was a running street battle with England for probably at least 30mins before the police arrived. The Russians attacked from about 4 areas 100% well organised.

On the long walk from the ground after the game back into town it was probably the scariest time. Didn't see any trouble but was waiting to be jumped at any second. It's not been fun

I walked around the whole ground by accident after the match and ended up down some dark alleyways and yeah same as you I was waiting to get glassed at any point.

If anyone hasn't seen it watch Stan Collymoors live stream. Organised French ultras attacking in small groups from different angles on the blow of a whistle yet of course it's the England fans.

[MC Prussian]

The national bias is strong in this thread.

 

Whether it is England fans, Russian football supporters or local French/North African youth - every action leads to a reaction.

I concur it's easy to say from a distance, but why react to the violence? Why the need to cause even more damage or possibly life-threatening injuries?

 

scouse, I'm not denying the fact that the French police forces on the spot come across as rather naive or unprepared, but my point of the argument was that you claimed the sheer presence of said police force would be a cause for football fans or hooligans to react in the way they did.

 

If you feel the need to attack people or destroy other people's property because you don't like the police or feel threatened by them, then I suggest you have a big problem yourself and should seek professional advice and/or shouldn't travel to places like Marseille or France at all - in particular, given the heightened security measures following the Paris attacks last year.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

I would say it would be tricky not to react when a Russian clobbers you round the head with a chair.

[GaelicFox]

Lets see what happens when these teams head north over next few days

The Ukrainians and Poles have yet to flex thier hooligan muscle

[Lcfc_lass10]

The lack of security has been horrific & terrifying. Stay safe out there guys.

[Collymore]

Organised hooligan meetups is one thing but to target innocent women and children is just beyond belief.

It seems it has been organised to provoke as strong a reaction as possible.

[StanSP]

Organised hooligan meetups is one thing but to target innocent women and children is just beyond belief.

It seems it has been organised to provoke as strong a reaction as possible.

 

Obviously this is beyond belief, but it's innocent families, innocent fans. Sick that women and children are targeted but it's fans of any sex or age that have gone there to watch football and only watch football and try to enjoy themselves.

 

If you're going to football to start a fight, whether it's in or out of the stadium and whether you have a ticket or not you are nothing but a mindless cvnt who deserves everything that comes to them. And that goes for anyone regardless of the nation you back. If you provoke the innocent and promote hooliganism there really is no place around any football stadium for you.

[Collymore]

Obviously this is beyond belief, but it's innocent families, innocent fans. Sick that women and children are targeted but it's fans of any sex or age that have gone there to watch football and only watch football and try to enjoy themselves.

If you're going to football to start a fight, whether it's in or out of the stadium and whether you have a ticket or not you are nothing but a mindless cvnt who deserves everything that comes to them. And that goes for anyone regardless of the nation you back. If you provoke the innocent and promote hooligans there really is no place around any football stadium for you.

I agree. If hooligans are going to meet up and just fight between themselves and they all enjoy it then I see logical reasoning behind it. If they attack innocent people then the only logical reasoning is that this is being done to accomplish another goal.

[TAFKA Castroneves]

The response from the Russian Sports Minister says it all really, he expects a fine (which they always get) and it really doesn't change anything for them. When pressed about his country holding the World Cup he didn't understand what effect this has on that, didn't understand... Says it all really, the World Cup needs removing from Russia shortly and put to a neutral country with a better safety record. Putin won't like it and it will cause political problems no doubt - but the truth is apparent that the Russians aren't a fit enough country to handle a football tournament, other events perhaps - but not football. Something really has to give here now.

[VLC86]

The response from the Russian Sports Minister says it all really, he expects a fine (which they always get) and it really doesn't change anything for them. When pressed about his country holding the World Cup he didn't understand what effect this has on that, didn't understand... Says it all really, the World Cup needs removing from Russia shortly and put to a neutral country with a better safety record. Putin won't like it and it will cause political problems no doubt - but the truth is apparent that the Russians aren't a fit enough country to handle a football tournament, other events perhaps - but not football. Something really has to give here now.

That would cause world war 3 and won't happen.

[ClaphamFox]

UEFA has begun proceedings against Russia for violence and racist behaviour. Sky reporting that the sanctions could be 'severe' - points deduction?

[Strokes]

UEFA has begun proceedings against Russia for violence and racist behaviour. Sky reporting that the sanctions could be 'severe' - points deduction?

Point deduction?

[Mapperleyfox]

So while we made sure our firms were banned from travelling and attending England games for way over a decade, the Russians have been allowed to send pretty much every hooligan in their god forsaken shithouse country to the south of France.  Couple that with an absolute anthology of disgrace from that hellhole, what will the punishment be?  I think we know the answer.

 

Indeed I think most of us know who is more likely to receive punishment, it certainly won't be them, nor the hordes of North Africans or the Police who have also openly and strategically targeted the England support.

Summed up perfectly...

[StanSP]

UEFA has begun proceedings against Russia for violence and racist behaviour. Sky reporting that the sanctions could be 'severe' - points deduction?

 

banned from their own World Cup

[Lionheart10]

in the bigger picture the "big bangs" and reports of flares at the ground are much more concerning than a few russian ultras. if a few russians with balaclavas on can get what appear to be half genuine explosives into one of the most high profile and policed fixtures in the championships, what can genuine terrorists do?

the french police appear to be an absolute shambles.

Yes frightening,when that big went off it did come into my mind it may be suicide bomb!

With all the trouble outside during the day why were there no police in stadium segregating them.

How did they get flares etc into stadium.

French Police have been a joke.

[RowlattsFox]

The fact the police had so much shit to deal with in the streets from those without tickets it probably limited what they had at the stadium. But the still should have been more than a row of minimum wage stewards in between fans.

They attacked the mixed section too, yes there were loads of English in there but also locals and neutrals.

[MC Prussian]

There was no security cordon or barrier worthy of the name as Russian fans blasted their way through one side of the stand to the other towards England supporters.

And the police was nowhere to be seen, leaving untrained stewards (=civilians) to deal with the Russian mob.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36509760

[TAFKA Castroneves]

That would cause world war 3 and won't happen.

 

Agreed, in which case it'll be down to the fans to just no show the event, but being a World Cup i doubt that is possible on a mass level.

The problem is (as we can all see) it's a national mindset, yes - us and the french and every other nation has it's ****tards. I think a lot of people will want heavy sanctions (in theory there is an argument to expell Russia immediatly from the tournament and send them home - what with the organised element) - but of course I can't personally say I know all the details, it would be unfair to treat one differently from the other and it will be hard to prove fault 100% here.

[GaelicFox]

And the police was nowhere to be seen, leaving untrained stewards (=civilians) to deal with the Russian mob.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36509760

You could see the police buddy

Still in town fighting a war !

The Russians sucked the cops out of the stadium

[MC Prussian]

I don't know if you can kick Russia out of the European Championships during the tournament. And I don't see why that would help. The team has earned the right to participate by their own means and they cannot be held responsible for the actions of their followers. It'd set a terrible precedent that could cause further tension.

 

For now, my hope is that wherever Russia play next, be it in Lille or Toulouse, the local authorities there have been warned (not just following yesterday's incidents) and that Marseille city council takes a good hard look at itself, discussing the availability of alcohol in the streets and the lack of police force as well as the lack of a proper police force coordination. Which I think, 18 years after the '98 World Cup, is rather pathetic. It's as if they haven't learned a single thing since then... Remember the Daniel Nivel case? German authorities had warned their French counterparts in advance about the influx of hooligan elements into the country.

 

The response was pure ignorance. And the rest is sad history.

[GaelicFox]

UEFA can only act on what it observes in and around the stadium cordons last night within these confines England behaved impeccably last night.

giving further proof that the people misbehaving on Thursday and Friday were either protecting themselves or part of a VERY small minority of English fans who traveled to be pricks and cause issues.

Russia will be fined a cash figure I suspect , and subjected to draconian policing for the rest of the tournament.

Any repeat in their next game may bring expulsion as this is a recourse open to UEFA, FIFA and UEFA have a strained relationship and this would be a highly political move really it would be the nuclear option of last resort.

As bad as yesterday was , England needs to root out the small mindless idiots that are indulging in moronic behaviour like attacking an old French man !

[CosbehFox]

That would be a good fight to watch, jihadis of ISIS vs Russia Footy thugs

That's the biggest moot point. Marseille ultras will be left wing, majority from a Northern African descent. Teaming up with Neo Nazi's from Russia?

Sadly 'Ingerlund' are a target and what the Russian/locals have done will deemed as a scalp or a badge of honour in ultra circles

[m4DD0gg]

I don't know if you can kick Russia out of the European Championships during the tournament. And I don't see why that would help. The team has earned the right to participate by their own means and they cannot be held responsible for the actions of their followers. It'd set a terrible precedent that could cause further tension.

For now, my hope is that wherever Russia play next, be it in Lille or Toulouse, the local authorities there have been warned (not just following yesterday's incidents) and that Marseille city council takes a good hard look at itself, discussing the availability of alcohol in the streets and the lack of police force as well as the lack of a proper police force coordination. Which I think, 18 years after the '98 World Cup, is rather pathetic. It's as if they haven't learned a single thing since then... Remember the Daniel Nivel case? German authorities had warned their French counterparts in advance about the influx of hooligan elements into the country.

The response was pure ignorance. And the rest is sad history.

That's because the French are ignorant and arrogant.

To say Russia should not be punished because of their fans is unfair. English club teams were banned from Europe for what 5 years due to the behaviour of the fans.