Claridge Posted 6 October 2016 Posted 6 October 2016 3 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Dianne Abbott as Home Secretary kinell even I can't stand her. Disaster of an appointment. Corbyn is beyond parody. He must be a Tory plant,it's the only explanation
Lionator Posted 6 October 2016 Posted 6 October 2016 Chuka Umunna fighting a pretty lonesome cause on QT. I'm afraid for all his talents, we're a vastly long way from them being utilised. I must admit, first time around I was fed up of the usual tosh from centre ground Labour MP's and supported Corbyn but it's not worked and Labour are heading into an oblivion. Diane Abbott as shadow home secretary ffs, how out of touch with the wider electorate can a man be?
The Horse's Mouth Posted 6 October 2016 Posted 6 October 2016 can't really blame him for the Abbott call, she's awful but she's one of the handful of MPs he can actually trust.
Webbo Posted 6 October 2016 Posted 6 October 2016 Just now, The Horse's Mouth said: can't really blame him for the Abbott call, she's awful but she's one of the handful of MPs he can actually trust. You missed the h out, the word is thrust.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 6 October 2016 Posted 6 October 2016 Just now, Webbo said: You missed the h out, the word is thrust. he's a lover not a fighter
The Doctor Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 In fairness, Diane Abbott is one of the few MPs that is still willing to work with him. I'm more bothered about ****ing Galloway making noises about rejoining, the two votes in parliamentary elections I've cast (2011 Bradford west by-election and the 2015 GE) were for labour primarily to keep that utter slimeball out.
Guest MattP Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 8 hours ago, Lionator said: Chuka Umunna fighting a pretty lonesome cause on QT. I'm afraid for all his talents, we're a vastly long way from them being utilised. I must admit, first time around I was fed up of the usual tosh from centre ground Labour MP's and supported Corbyn but it's not worked and Labour are heading into an oblivion. Diane Abbott as shadow home secretary ffs, how out of touch with the wider electorate can a man be? I'm convinced this is some sort of weird revenge mission now on the party, no way can Corbyn be seriously trying to win an election, either he's the most out of touch politician there has ever been or this is deliberate, Diane Abbott as home secretary, he's actually done that. It's almost like at 3.30pm yesterday they saw the Stephen Woolfe story and thought that UKIP were making a play for being the most ridiculous political party in Britain, so they decided to up their game to reclaim the mantle and put together this opposition. Cameron's cronyism was bad but this guy is taking it to the next level, cabinet position for sexual favours and whitewashing reports on anti-semitism. The great four offices of state and they've got them filled by an IRA symapthiser, a racist and a person who hates the working class more than any Tory could dream of. Theresa May must be absolutely pissing herself. 14 minutes ago, The Doctor said: In fairness, Diane Abbott is one of the few MPs that is still willing to work with him. I'm more bothered about ****ing Galloway making noises about rejoining, the two votes in parliamentary elections I've cast (2011 Bradford west by-election and the 2015 GE) were for labour primarily to keep that utter slimeball out. I don't see why he shouldn't rejoin now, Labour is the perfect party for him and his antisemitic views will probably be lauded behind closed doors provided they are dressed as anti-israeli. If they are prepared to keep people like Livingstone, Shah and Walker why not have Galloway?
Guest MattP Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 I think we'll be seeing a lot more of this over the next few years in Northern towns. (Another reason Corbyn should think about making sure all parts of the North should be in his cabinet rather than just all parts of North London)
The Railway Man Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 Proud two of the three “great offices of state” are, for the first-time ever, filled by women @HackneyAbbott @EmilyThornberry — Jeremy Corbyn MP (@jeremycorbyn) October 6, 2016 1. Shadow cabinet positions are not "great offices of state" 2. There are four great offices of state. PM, Home Sec, Chancellor, Foreign Sec 3. Theresa May and Amber Rudd (both women) hold two of the them. He's not only completely out of touch, but also not very bright. A drastic combination for someone who wants to lead people and win support.
Countryfox Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 Don't worry you lot, in the paper today Tone says he is coming back !! He'll sort Jezza out !! Apparently he's giving up all his money making schemes now he's got enough to live on (?!?!?) and will quickly rebrand and become one of the people again ready for the big come back.
foxy boxing Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 diane abbott home secretary, does she know enough about home affairs, she only ever seems interested in migrants and the rest of the world
Alf Bentley Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 Labour need to look at that Hartlepool council election result - and then take a long, hard look at its implications for the policies they promote. I'll be amazed if they do. Assuming they don't, as Matt suggests I'd expect more such results in working-class areas of the North, Midlands & S. Wales. Local Hartlepool paper says turnout was 17.8%, which is truly dismal. But that itself clarifies part of the problem. Only some ex-Lab voters will switch to UKIP (or other parties), but many others may stay at home, contributing to losses on low turnouts. If Labour under Corbyn carry on as they are and he remains as leader, I can easily see the next election being worse than 1983. There's the distinct possibility that Labour could become a minority party within 5-10 years, as happened to the Liberals about 90 years ago. Unclear what would be there instead, though. Depends greatly on: (1) what happens with the economy/society/Brexit under the Tories; (2) whether UKIP adapt to a new populist role or become a laughing-stock; (3) whether any viable centre-left force comes into existence through the defection of moderate Labourites and/or alliances with the Lib Dems, Greens etc.; (4) whether any viable Far Right force rises up.
GazzinderFox Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 2 hours ago, Countryfox said: Don't worry you lot, in the paper today Tone says he is coming back !! He'll sort Jezza out !! Apparently he's giving up all his money making schemes now he's got enough to live on (?!?!?) and will quickly rebrand and become one of the people again ready for the big come back. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37584407 He really is utterly, utterly deluded. What planet is he on? He thinks he's going to start a dynamic new political movement that's going to steal the centre ground away from the tories!
Buce Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 30 minutes ago, GazzinderFox said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37584407 He really is utterly, utterly deluded. What planet is he on? He thinks he's going to start a dynamic new political movement that's going to steal the centre ground away from the tories! Given a choice between the Tories and Corbyn's Labour, I think a lot of people would have the attitude of, Come back, Tony, all is forgiven.
GazzinderFox Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 5 minutes ago, Buce said: Given a choice between the Tories and Corbyn's Labour, I think a lot of people would have the attitude of, Come back, Tony, all is forgiven. That's an interesting thought. Would you welcome him back? Or is there anybody else on here who's still a TB supporter?
MPH Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 51 minutes ago, GazzinderFox said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37584407 He really is utterly, utterly deluded. What planet is he on? He thinks he's going to start a dynamic new political movement that's going to steal the centre ground away from the tories! Plus those disillusioned with Corbyn... There would be so many defectors from the labour party MPS it would be unreal....
The Horse's Mouth Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 59 minutes ago, GazzinderFox said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37584407 He really is utterly, utterly deluded. What planet is he on? He thinks he's going to start a dynamic new political movement that's going to steal the centre ground away from the tories! Things can only get better
Webbo Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 2 hours ago, Alf Bentley said: Labour need to look at that Hartlepool council election result - and then take a long, hard look at its implications for the policies they promote. I'll be amazed if they do. Assuming they don't, as Matt suggests I'd expect more such results in working-class areas of the North, Midlands & S. Wales. Local Hartlepool paper says turnout was 17.8%, which is truly dismal. But that itself clarifies part of the problem. Only some ex-Lab voters will switch to UKIP (or other parties), but many others may stay at home, contributing to losses on low turnouts. If Labour under Corbyn carry on as they are and he remains as leader, I can easily see the next election being worse than 1983. There's the distinct possibility that Labour could become a minority party within 5-10 years, as happened to the Liberals about 90 years ago. Unclear what would be there instead, though. Depends greatly on: (1) what happens with the economy/society/Brexit under the Tories; (2) whether UKIP adapt to a new populist role or become a laughing-stock; (3) whether any viable centre-left force comes into existence through the defection of moderate Labourites and/or alliances with the Lib Dems, Greens etc.; (4) whether any viable Far Right force rises up. I don't have any facts to back me up on this but i'd guess that was pretty standard for a council by election.
Countryfox Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 26 minutes ago, Buce said: Given a choice between the Tories and Corbyn's Labour, I think a lot of people would have the attitude of, Come back, Tony, all is forgiven. Surely only those with very very short memories or on some form of very strong medication ..... the guys still waiting to be branded a war criminal ...
GazzinderFox Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 35 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Surely only those with very very short memories or on some form of very strong medication ..... the guys still waiting to be branded a war criminal ... It says something about the choices of the electorate that the mindset of the majority is who's the least crap option?!
leicsmac Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 1 hour ago, GazzinderFox said: It says something about the choices of the electorate that the mindset of the majority is who's the least crap option? There's a lot of that going round right now.
MPH Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 1 hour ago, GazzinderFox said: It says something about the choices of the electorate that the mindset of the majority is who's the least crap option?! 5 minutes ago, leicsmac said: There's a lot of that going round right now. Having a dose of that right now over here aswell!
GazzinderFox Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 5 minutes ago, leicsmac said: There's a lot of that going round right now. Indeed. Perhaps we need a really violent revolution somewhere in western Europe to bring politicians around the world to their senses.
Countryfox Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 Just now, GazzinderFox said: Indeed. Perhaps we need a really violent revolution somewhere in western Europe to bring politicians around the world to their senses. Sort of like Brexit but bigger ...
Darkon84 Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 Who needs sitcoms and films when all you need is current British politics. Everything at the moment is absolutely unreal. I'm actually having a bit of a hard time getting my head round how this is all real at the moment. Wow, just wow! It could be time to get a new suit and begin my own political party or join one and make a push for an easy seat somewhere!
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