Thracian Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 On 7/26/2016 at 14:45, Trav Le Bleu said: On a serious note, I don't think the elite rich will be happy until they've entirely replaced thier workforces with robots, creating a poor unemployable underclass. The only problem with this - and it seems blatantly obvious to me - when this is achieved, who will be able to buy anything they have to sell? Someone has to build the drones, develop and test the technology, advertise and market the items and keep them in good repair. Those people will doubtless get more than delivery people and the cleaner/cheaper supply chain will contribute (theoretically) to improving the environment. It's not all downside. But it does help explain I suppose why there's now so much emphasis on scientific research and development, modern computerised service provision, new technologies and so on - the collective aspects I'm most concerned about with Brexit and which I sincerely hope are addressed as a matter of urgency with new partners if the mainland Europeans are going to continue playing hardball in terms of co-operation. Your comment also points to the need for education, education, education.... People will always buy or trade - whether it be material goods, skills or services. As the old stage-coach found with their horse-drawn carriages, there's no point preserving jobs that don't need doing. You need to prepare people for the jobs to come. And develop the minds that provide the ideas.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 40 minutes ago, Thracian said: Someone has to build the drones, develop and test the technology, advertise and market the items and keep them in good repair. Those people will doubtless get more than delivery people and the cleaner/cheaper supply chain will contribute (theoretically) to improving the environment. It's not all downside. But it does help explain I suppose why there's now so much emphasis on scientific research and development, modern computerised service provision, new technologies and so on - the collective aspects I'm most concerned about with Brexit and which I sincerely hope are addressed as a matter of urgency with new partners if the mainland Europeans are going to continue playing hardball in terms of co-operation. Your comment also points to the need for education, education, education.... People will always buy or trade - whether it be material goods, skills or services. As the old stage-coach found with their horse-drawn carriages, there's no point preserving jobs that don't need doing. You need to prepare people for the jobs to come. And develop the minds that provide the ideas. Yes, but... these things are being developed to reduce employee numbers and therefore cost. There is no altruistic motive (not for most, as a primary drive), but this is what will be quoted; it's good propoganda. Also, there will always be people unable reach the higher levels of education, for whatever reason - they might have poor mental capacity, lack of wealth to obtain a better education (which it seems is the way the education system is going) or a lack of privelege, whereby you can be a complete dunderhead and obtain such employment because of whom daddy knows. These are the ones that will become the unemployable underclass.
Parafox Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 On 7/26/2016 at 14:45, Trav Le Bleu said: On a serious note, I don't think the elite rich will be happy until they've entirely replaced thier workforces with robots, creating a poor unemployable underclass. The only problem with this - and it seems blatantly obvious to me - when this is achieved, who will be able to buy anything they have to sell? Just you wait until they start delivering the post by drones
Jon the Hat Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 It is an interesting philosophical and practical point as to what happens when you have much more productive workforce than now, ie need fewer people to support our needs. Longer in education and retirement perhaps. That generates demand but also cost.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 46 minutes ago, Parafox said: Just you wait until they start delivering the post by drones Just you wait until they start collecting the sick by drones
Finnegan Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 11 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Just you wait until they start collecting the sick by drones To the furnace!
Thracian Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Yes, but... these things are being developed to reduce employee numbers and therefore cost. There is no altruistic motive (not for most, as a primary drive), but this is what will be quoted; it's good propoganda. Also, there will always be people unable reach the higher levels of education, for whatever reason - they might have poor mental capacity, lack of wealth to obtain a better education (which it seems is the way the education system is going) or a lack of privelege, whereby you can be a complete dunderhead and obtain such employment because of whom daddy knows. These are the ones that will become the unemployable underclass. That's so pessimistic and defeatist. Even people with limited intellectual capacity can be trained to levels of skill and competence that can be quite outstanding - one reason I like the idea of recognising people's skill tendencies early on and having educating support and develop those skills. As for wealth being the passport to success it's not necessarily so at all. There are plenty of successes who come from nowhere and plenty of privileged hits that hit the skids. Much depends on support, encouragement, the recognising and taking of opportunity and initiative. One acquaintance wanted to achieve the level of snow sports instructor: At 17 he was working as a trainee chef. He attached himself to an alpine hotel where he prepared the food in the mornings and cooked it in the evenings in return for a basic salary, every afternoon off and free ski passes, instruction and skiing kit for the duration. Skiing, snowboarding, ski-jumping ... he learned the lot. And showed a profit. The same guy wanted to travel. So, following onto his snowsports initiative, he got an American penfriend who became his girlfriend and the two of them visited each other's home as a base for long-term vacation twice a year for five years. Later, he attached himself, as a chef, to the cruise liners sailing out of Florida to the West Indies. He then met an Indian girl and travelled to various parts of India and has since visited various other places. Job done! Honestly people at any level can do what they wish. As a schoolkid I remember spending three summer holidays fruit picking. Dawn til dusk for piece rates. But you saved money fast and that money was spent on providing other opportunities. There is rarely if ever reason to be negative or making excuses - it's like applying brakes to yourself. Problem - solution - just do it!
Thracian Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: It is an interesting philosophical and practical point as to what happens when you have much more productive workforce than now, ie need fewer people to support our needs. Longer in education and retirement perhaps. That generates demand but also cost. I'm past retirement age and don't intend to cost anyone anything, year on year. Part of our education should be about providing for retirement but also about the value and importance of staying fit and not becoming a burden (not on others, though that's a factor, but on themselves). Yes, I understand that might be the fate of all of us in the end, sometimes for reasons beyond our control, but a lot of reasons are controllable/preventable yet people still allow themselves to wane well before their natural time. Yes, it's their choice. But I don't know anyone who's allowed themselves to deteriorate to the point of being virtually or categorically disabled who's pleased about it, or didn't wish they'd acted differently. I've just looked through a list of 30 big name stars who are no longer recognisable as they pass into older age. Yes, we all get wrinkles and a lived-in look but many of the photos told of the consequences of all sorts of bodily abuse like long-term smoking, excessive drinking, other abuse and even the folly of plastic surgery or too much make-up. It was a sad sight to see and so unnecessary. My first advice to any young person would be to look after your health and look after your body as if it were the greatest treasure on Earth. You might still suffer from the fall of the dice but there's no need to bring it on yourself for no reason. Life life to the full by all means but always pay the body back and keep the mind active. Doubtless 99% of people will ignore what I say as an old man's rambling. But if one takes notice and they enjoy an extra decade of happy life I'll be pleased. It's easy to look after an athletic body when you're young. But finding the same degree of motivation when you're older pays dividends too. Bodies, like cars, are meant to be used and properly maintained. .
fuchsntf Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 18:42, FIF said: Yeah because drivers from fed ex or wherever don't make a noise, don't affect your safety or security and keep everything they see private. They dont hover over me, my garden, along the street.Plus drivers are in my eye-line, I dont x spend my day looking up, to the skies. .Another thought if they get near any fast road... Accidents caused by drivers not concenterating, or drone has mishap. Oh!! and they drone. The idea and thought is brilliant, on this I just see the negatives, that in itself is unusual for me. Cant wait for Amazon to knock on my door, and ask for their drone back, after one of my gran-kids hit one with a high football kick, or Cricket ball.Or my son attacks one with his RC Stuka.
fuchsntf Posted 28 July 2016 Posted 28 July 2016 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: To the furnace! My dad went with 4 blackhorses... When my time comes, I suppose it will be with 4 black Drones...
Captain... Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 Drones: Surely the first step would be to deliver from hubs to Amazon collection points, human beings have enough difficulty finding my address and if I'm not in they need a fob to access the building, will drones be able to write out a you were not in card and leave it in my letterbox (that you need a fob to access). Unless you link the delivery to your phone, it finds you on GPS gives you an estimate and you just need to be outside and it will bring it to you, like an Uber, or you get a notification that it is ready and you request delivery when you are ready. There are lots of questions: How energy efficient is it to deliver one parcel to one person? Can deliveries be combined? What is the weight limit per drone? Security and safety of delivery? How high will they fly? How many drones are we talking about flying above the city and what impact will that have on radio signals and other environmental factors, the birds and the bees for example? It is one thing to get a single unmanned drone to delivery to a certain point at a certain time, but a whole other to get a fleet of drones to delivery accurately and successfully to hundreds of locations at a time in all conditions.
pSinatra Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 The only positive I can see to this, less delivery vans. Less delivery vans with a total disregard for any other fvcker on the road. I don't blame them so much as they are presumably under immense pressure to get stuff delivered in an increasingly shorter time. If they don't deliver it at the first attempt, they have it added to their workload the next day. If they can chuck it over a fence, they're going to. I probably would if I was them. These companies seem obsessed with providing the very quickest delivery times. There's some companies now offering same day delivery (I think Argos do it). Order it in the morning & it comes in the afternoon. What is so important that you need it so quickly? If it's so important, get in your car & get your lazy arse down the shop. If it's not life-threatening, surely waiting a couple of days isn't the end of the world.
norwichfox Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 What an opportunity for terrorism to get nasty stuff all over the country. I shudder to think that this sh1t may happen.
Guest Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 18 minutes ago, norwichfox said: What an opportunity for terrorism to get nasty stuff all over the country. I shudder to think that this sh1t may happen. Why is it more likely than by an Amazon delivery van? If some terrorist wanted to get you with some nasty stuff do you think they'd use amazon drones to do it? People are funny.
norwichfox Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 3 minutes ago, FIF said: If some terrorist wanted to get you with some nasty stuff do you think they'd use amazon drones to do it? GOD, Clearly you've never bought any Sh1t from amazon it's not beyond the realms of possibility that drones could be used in sinister guises, there are many reasons that I don't want this to happen, not the least that I'd really like Amazon to fall flat on it's fooking face....Now GOD can you do something useful and use your mystical mythical force and get Kante back please.
Guest Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 Just now, norwichfox said: GOD, Clearly you've never bought any Sh1t from amazon it's not beyond the realms of possibility that drones could be used in sinister guises, there are many reasons that I don't want this to happen, not the least that I'd really like Amazon to fall flat on it's fooking face....Now GOD can you do something useful and use your mystical mythical force and get Kante back please. As with all Gods, I'm impotent to help humans. But really terrorists can buy their own drones or delivery vans - they don't need Amazon. - unless they want next day delivery.
Captain... Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 52 minutes ago, pSinatra said: The only positive I can see to this, less delivery vans. Less delivery vans with a total disregard for any other fvcker on the road. I don't blame them so much as they are presumably under immense pressure to get stuff delivered in an increasingly shorter time. If they don't deliver it at the first attempt, they have it added to their workload the next day. If they can chuck it over a fence, they're going to. I probably would if I was them. These companies seem obsessed with providing the very quickest delivery times. There's some companies now offering same day delivery (I think Argos do it). Order it in the morning & it comes in the afternoon. What is so important that you need it so quickly? If it's so important, get in your car & get your lazy arse down the shop. If it's not life-threatening, surely waiting a couple of days isn't the end of the world. They also only get paid for one delivery, if they have to go back they don't get paid extra expenses or for their time so if they fail to deliver first time it costs them more, in some cases it ends up costing them money.
Guest Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 1 minute ago, Captain... said: They also only get paid for one delivery, if they have to go back they don't get paid extra expenses or for their time so if they fail to deliver first time it costs them more, in some cases it ends up costing them money. If that happens with the drones will we have a drone strike?
jammie82uk Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 2 hours ago, Captain... said: Drones: Surely the first step would be to deliver from hubs to Amazon collection points, human beings have enough difficulty finding my address and if I'm not in they need a fob to access the building, will drones be able to write out a you were not in card and leave it in my letterbox (that you need a fob to access). Unless you link the delivery to your phone, it finds you on GPS gives you an estimate and you just need to be outside and it will bring it to you, like an Uber, or you get a notification that it is ready and you request delivery when you are ready. There are lots of questions: How energy efficient is it to deliver one parcel to one person? Can deliveries be combined? What is the weight limit per drone? Security and safety of delivery? How high will they fly? How many drones are we talking about flying above the city and what impact will that have on radio signals and other environmental factors, the birds and the bees for example? It is one thing to get a single unmanned drone to delivery to a certain point at a certain time, but a whole other to get a fleet of drones to delivery accurately and successfully to hundreds of locations at a time in all conditions. Mr Clarkson can answer a few of your questions
Webbo Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 You really wonder what jobs there'll be for some in the near future, delivery drivers put out of work by this. Taxi/bus drivers put out of work by self driving cars.
Guest Posted 29 July 2016 Posted 29 July 2016 3 hours ago, Webbo said: You really wonder what jobs there'll be for some in the near future, delivery drivers put out of work by this. Taxi/bus drivers put out of work by self driving cars. I suppose some people thought the same thing when the car arrived. That didn't seem to hurt employment too much. You must be one of those fear spreading Drone Remainers.
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