AlgerianFox Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 10 minutes ago, Balgair said: ... Maybe Hull are this year's Leicester? (Attempt at humor there) ...very highly they have all the ingredients and similarly a lot to prove... They just need Ryad.
sylofox Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 I think CR's 70% has been taken out of context we had 55% of the game. We put in the running it was over-all performance that was 70%. Our passing was poor and we looked disjointed we never looked like a team. I can't fault the effort the ability shown was poor.
Balgair Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 6 hours ago, AlgerianFox said: ...very highly they have all the ingredients and similarly a lot to prove... They just need Ryad. I was thinking Joey Barton...
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 13 hours ago, NeilLCFC said: Very good point about finding out about Ranieri. Is he a genius or was last season a product of Pearson's hard work, and a hang over from the formula he found during the great escape?? Before people on here get too excited, I'm not taking anything away from CR. He did the job he was brought in to do, and that was basically not to change anything NP had put in place, and why would you have changed anything? Just look at our form during the great escape, that was top 4 form, if not better. CR is obviously an intelligent guy, smart enough to see that the formula had already been discovered by his predecessor, he just had to stick to it, which is much easier to do than actually discovering the formula in the first place. The problems start when the new manager starts to do things their way, and move away from the ethos and elements that were installed by the old regime. I for one hope this is only a blip, and we find out CR is well and truly a genius. Up up the City *This was originally posted in the post match thread, but I think this is a more appropriate place. What utter nonsense. Please see other posts responding to / slating this most dumbass of posts which shows no understanding of the fantastic job Ranieri has done turning a team that Pearson almost got relegated into Champions of England. I cannot not believe you have such little grasp of the magnitude what has happened at this club in the last 12 months, and the differences Ranieri has made. Staggeringly thick.
Mywifehitmuzzybyaccident Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 Let's just settle down expectations are now extremely warped, we were pants, get used to it, we have quality in most positions but we have sold the guy who made the system last year so good, he is a unique talent and I don't think its possible to play that way without him. CR has a job on, jocular father figure is not an option this year.
Max Power Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 14 hours ago, NeilLCFC said: Very good point about finding out about Ranieri. Is he a genius or was last season a product of Pearson's hard work, and a hang over from the formula he found during the great escape?? Before people on here get too excited, I'm not taking anything away from CR. He did the job he was brought in to do, and that was basically not to change anything NP had put in place, and why would you have changed anything? Just look at our form during the great escape, that was top 4 form, if not better. CR is obviously an intelligent guy, smart enough to see that the formula had already been discovered by his predecessor, he just had to stick to it, which is much easier to do than actually discovering the formula in the first place. The problems start when the new manager starts to do things their way, and move away from the ethos and elements that were installed by the old regime. I for one hope this is only a blip, and we find out CR is well and truly a genius. Up up the City *This was originally posted in the post match thread, but I think this is a more appropriate place. Hands down the worst post of the year
Dr The Singh Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 19 hours ago, foxinsox said: We have the players, ones that won the League. What we did not have was a team or match fitness. The pre season was not good. Too much partying and travelling. Several have returned overweight and unfit. That can be fixed fairly quickly. What may be harder to fix is the team spirit. All this talk of transfers and new £100 000 per week contracts for some but not others must be causing jealousy. Not panicking, but anxious. Claudio and Morgan can fix it. Some good points there, however we are in the champions league, also, we do not have a squad big or good enough to cope with that also.
Dr The Singh Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 3 hours ago, Max Power said: Hands down the worst post of the year I thought that post was quite insightful
Merging Cultures Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 9 hours ago, Max Power said: Hands down the worst post of the year I thought it was a good post.
smudgerfox Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 Why does anyone care about the Pearson/Ranieri argument? It is surely beyond dispute that Pearson left the club in good health - good coaching set-up and backroom staff, some talented youngsters and some hungry first team players. Nevertheless it was a huge achievement by The Don to build on those foundations as completely as he did - to resist the temptation to interfere too much while putting his own stamp on it. i doubt we'd have won the league under Pearson, but that can only ever be an opinion. We're now at an unprecedented stage in the club's development and quite a difficult one. We have pretensions to join the top five, but not too many in football believe we can, That filters to the players who can be persuaded to join other clubs for more money - just on the basis that the buying club is bigger and historically more successful. If you think last seasn was a fairytale - as many do - there's no good reason to expect a repeat. The loss of Kante, Walsh and even Wrigglesworth all reflect this and it shows that we are not going to develop from relegation candidates to top five regulars in one close season. It's impossible.So some will lose the faith but we should be assured that long term,the club is gaining in strength. This is why Arsenal is so interesting. Their assumption that they can just drive up the M1 and pick up all our best players - just because they are Arsenal - has been well and truly blown apart and they're finding it difficult to cope with that new understanding.
Babylon Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 10 hours ago, Dr The Singh said: I thought that post was quite insightful 3 hours ago, Merging Cultures said: I thought it was a good post. Certainly wouldn't say it was the worst post I've seen... but I'm not sure how anyone can suggest Ranieri didn't actually change anything. Pearson couldn't get the 4-4-2 working, the good run came playing a totally different formation to that of Ranieri. He gave Vardy and Mahrez freedom, with Vardy being the focal point rather than playing the foil that he did to Ulloa under Pearson. The defensive side of our game was totally different to that under Pearson also, with the defensive shape being light years ahead of anything Pearson managed, it was far more compact. Then there were the weekly tactical tweaks that would get us into a game if we were struggling... and not waiting to the 75th minute to make like for like subs. Last season was product of Pearson and Ranieri. One without the other would never have won us the league as we got the best of both worlds. The team building and spirit of a Pearson team with better tactics of Ranieri.
Merging Cultures Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 22 minutes ago, Babylon said: Pearson couldn't get the 4-4-2 working, the good run came playing a totally different formation to that of Ranieri. Pre-Kante. He certainly was more proactive in substitutions - on Saturday I was actually surprised he wasn't quicker in changing things up.
Babylon Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 Just now, Merging Cultures said: Pre-Kante. He certainly was more proactive in substitutions - on Saturday I was actually surprised he wasn't quicker in changing things up. Pre or post doesn't matter, not having a go at Pearson I was a big fan and I'm aware he was in the process of fixing the issues with those signings. it's just wrong to say Ranieri changed nothing, when the great escape team / shape was different to last season.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 On 13/08/2016 at 19:40, Dr The Singh said: I'm absolutely well pissed, I watched the match with some foxes fans in new York, I predicted we would fooook up. We have not replaced our defensive machine, in fact our pre season has been awful and then Ran tells us his players are 70℅. Wtf is going on, that performance was well bad, let's not sugar coat it...Hull were doggo, we were worse then doggo. I'm changing my Dr. Byeee!
The Railway Man Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 Where are all the people now promising everything would be fine for the Hull game after all of us pointing out the horrific fitness levels pre season were being told to shut up?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 On 13/08/2016 at 21:46, AlgerianFox said: Regarding Kante you will never know. Players for the futur? That is exactly my point; for now you are playing for 40 pts. Forty points IS what we should be aiming for, to start with.
The Railway Man Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 14 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: What utter nonsense. Please see other posts responding to / slating this most dumbass of posts which shows no understanding of the fantastic job Ranieri has done turning a team that Pearson almost got relegated into Champions of England. I cannot not believe you have such little grasp of the magnitude what has happened at this club in the last 12 months, and the differences Ranieri has made. Staggeringly thick. Well we'll soon find out if it was the genius of CR or it was N'golo Kante.
desertfox2 Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 I think a lot boils down to how good Mendy is. He played with Ranieri before and CR allegedly wanted him over Kante from day 1. If Mendy is 90% the player Kante was then we will be fine. In pre season didn't see anything that made me think he was half as good as Kante but can't read too much in to that. We will see soon enough anyway. Please please please let Mendy be good...
Fox 4 Life Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 On 14/08/2016 at 08:56, NeilLCFC said: Before people on here get too excited, I'm not taking anything away from CR. He did the job he was brought in to do, and that was basically not to change anything NP had put in place, and why would you have changed anything? the job he was brought in to do was keep us in the premier league, he won the ****ing title
splinterdream Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 Pearson was weird though, it was quite clear Delaet/defensive frailties caused us a problem, he set the side up against the Arse on a 5/4/1 which got good results but then chose it as the chosen formation every match, sides soon got wind of it and set up to play deep against us and we had nowhere to go but still he used those tactics. It was odd why he wouldn't use Albrighton as well when everybody else could see he made the difference. He sure lacked tactical awareness. I say it was Albrighton and Huth which in the end saved us. Kante and Vardy's second season syndrome as well as Mahrez coming into form played a crucial part but I'm sure Ranieri played a big part with Simpson and Huth.
lgfualol Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 33 minutes ago, The Railway Man said: Well we'll soon find out if it was the genius of CR or it was N'golo Kante. This reminds me of the "was it Pearson who saved us from relegation, or was it Cambiasso".
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 48 minutes ago, The Railway Man said: Well we'll soon find out if it was the genius of CR or it was N'golo Kante. 51 minutes ago, The Railway Man said: Well we'll soon find out if it was the genius of CR or it was N'golo Kante. My point was to suggest that, (and I am paraphrasing below from the post I initially responded to) the following is rubbish: "Ranieri changed nothing and we would have won the league with any manager who left alone what Pearson BEGAN" What at is also nonsensical is to suggest that if we don't win the league this season Ranieri's contribution in our success has been over hyped. That demeans his part in what was a fantastic team effort, and is pretty disrespectful I would suggest given the year we have had. Also for the purposes of clarity I have never seen a player as good as Kante in that role, so I don't think we will win the league and a major factor will be because of his loss. I'm am just puzzled as to why people are looking to get on Claudio's case at this stage?
kingcarr21 Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 Ranieri is a hero and always will be. He was a huge influence on us winning the title. I am amazed people are even suggesting Ranieri had little to do with our title win.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 1 hour ago, Babylon said: Certainly wouldn't say it was the worst post I've seen... but I'm not sure how anyone can suggest Ranieri didn't actually change anything. Pearson couldn't get the 4-4-2 working, the good run came playing a totally different formation to that of Ranieri. He gave Vardy and Mahrez freedom, with Vardy being the focal point rather than playing the foil that he did to Ulloa under Pearson. The defensive side of our game was totally different to that under Pearson also, with the defensive shape being light years ahead of anything Pearson managed, it was far more compact. Then there were the weekly tactical tweaks that would get us into a game if we were struggling... and not waiting to the 75th minute to make like for like subs. Last season was product of Pearson and Ranieri. One without the other would never have won us the league as we got the best of both worlds. The team building and spirit of a Pearson team with better tactics of Ranieri. Right on Babylon. He also ditched both full backs and inverted the wide men of Albrighton and Mahrez, as well as the small step of giving Vardy his head, and making him the main man. That didn't turn out too badly did it?
Clever Fox Posted 15 August 2016 Posted 15 August 2016 I'm a big fan of CR as I was of Person. But what i'd like now is for CR to shut up and get on with working with the players. he's talking too much and saying the wrong things. If you give players and out they will usually take it, as demonstrated on Saturday. Yes it's going to be more difficult this year but that's for the manager to know and the players to find out. He needs to get them match fit first, Then drive them onwards and upwards. Anyone ever remember Ferguson telling his players second best would be good enough. i still love him though.
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