Grewks Posted 13 August 2016 Posted 13 August 2016 Seems a little strange to me that after being linked with Bolasie and Gueye at the start of the summer, that Everton would make nids as soon as Walsh arrived, whilst we made none. As i said before, with Kante, the fact Ranieri even questioned his judgement, shows a lack of trust. Ranieri wanted Mendy over Gueye, he clearly also wanted Zaputska over Bolasie, given that the more proven 2 would only have cost about a 3rd more. Thoughts? If true, its extremely poor judgement by Ranieri. His decision to sign young future talents is admirable, but we need short term success to continue to attract players.
UPinCarolina Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 I've posited this before - and I don't think it's wrong to believe that there might have been something behind the scenes. It's conjecture but it's not unreasonable conjecture.
brucey Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 one of the ITKs on here said that they did indeed disagree. Ranieri didn't want Kante either. Missing out on Gueye will cost us badly.
splinterdream Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 Amerty, Benny, Inler - whose signings were these and where are they fitting in?
Nickfosse Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 Why we didn't get Gueye within 48 hours of selling Kante I have no idea. Clearly the nearest like for like replacement and crucial for the way we play.
Grewks Posted 14 August 2016 Author Posted 14 August 2016 11 minutes ago, splinterdream said: Amerty, Benny, Inler - whose signings were these and where are they fitting in? Many believe the last 2 to be Ranieri's, but we will never know. What we do know however, is that out starting XI today was still a Pearson/Walsh side on paper. Again, with the possible exception of gray/Musa/Hernandez, with the latter only in the side due to suspension. Is it just a coincidence than our signings since Claudio took over have been less effective?
FireFox Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 2 hours ago, Grewks said: Thoughts? If true, its extremely poor judgement by Ranieri. His decision to sign young future talents is admirable, but we need short term success to continue to attract players. Only time will tell if it is poor judgement. The guy from Spurs or whoever replaces Walsh may prove to be a great addition for the long term (and short term starting the next window). Signing young talent does not mean we wont have short term success, we still have the same team (minus one snake, plus some experienced players like Musa and Hernandez) that won the league by 10 points. 1 hour ago, splinterdream said: Amerty, Benny, Inler - whose signings were these and where are they fitting in? I think Amartey was scouted before Claudio got here? We were linked with him last summer, not sure on who's suggestion though. He's still young and hasn't had too many chances to play his best position. Benny is a Claudio signing, 100%, but can this really be used against him? Benny never got a look in because of the Huth-Morgan partnership was so consistent, not really his fault, and then he got sent on loan/injured. Inler wasn't a Claudio signing, not 100% at least. Walsh/the recruitment staff definitely recommended him. We're also now looking to get rid. Gray has been excellent, adjusted to the PL quickly and has done what he needs to. Musa also has been excellent so far, though could be a Walsh signing. Hernandez - still to be determined how good he is, nor do we know "who's" signing he was. Mendy - I haven't been impressed with yet, but he's no Kante replacement so lets not have the expectation that he is. Kapi - looks a great signing. Chilwell - not letting him transfer out is just as important as any new signing. Schlupp - will be upsetting to see him go, but we have other young wingers.
The whole world smiles Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 As fans we know so little about the day to day running of the team they may have fell out, they may have left on good terms it's pointless to speculate. I don't know for sure but I'd imagine the director of football / manager relationship is one of constant compromise, I doubt Koeman is just going to let him sign who he wants the players walsh identifys will have to fit koemans plan. I wouldn't read anything into the kante situation though the fact it was ranieri who told the press he didn't want him and walsh made him sign him shows he respects walsh and wanted him to get the credit he deserved for signing him. Also let's not write players / the team off after one bad result we end up looking like a right entitled bunch of divs. I've got total faith in ranieri, Shakespeare and all the new signings.
Monsell1976 Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 Hold on to your hat Claudio, your going to have a bumpy ride.
roblcfc84 Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 I think to judge any of the new signings this early on would be really unfair - for me this season will be all about transcendence. Moving away, slowly, from much of the squad who won the league to a younger, longer term plan. I expect Gray to become a permanent starter, chillwell to take over from Fuchs. If Keane joins he will eventually take over from Huth. Potentially Kapustka coming in. If I recall Kante didn't start the first 4/5 games last year so Mendy may well take time to adjust. We absolutely need three players - a RB, CB, CM. Personally I'd take mid table this year if we showed progression in terms of developing a squad.
KFS Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 Can't we consider that Walsh was the one that bottled it? He's got a reputation for unearthing gems on the cheap, something that as we've probably found out, is near on impossible when you're the Champions. Imagine the conversation we would have had with Villa over Gueye vs Everton- they knew we'd lost Kante and have a windfall from winning the title. It's easy to start analysing everything after an embarrassing loss. Please can we not be that fan base who tears into the manager after winning something.
StanSP Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 Maybe, just maybe we didn't want to spend £30 on Bolasie
Matt Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 15 minutes ago, KFS said: Can't we consider that Walsh was the one that bottled it? He's got a reputation for unearthing gems on the cheap, something that as we've probably found out, is near on impossible when you're the Champions. Imagine the conversation we would have had with Villa over Gueye vs Everton- they knew we'd lost Kante and have a windfall from winning the title. It's easy to start analysing everything after an embarrassing loss. Please can we not be that fan base who tears into the manager after winning something. Whilst I question Walsh's ambition, I don't think he bottled it. And as for your scenario, Everton lost Stones for £50m and replaced him with Williams for between £9 - £12m, Ok that's alot for a 32 year old, but a great bit of business imo, still fairly cheap and imo a massive improvement on Stones, so I think that blows your scenario and theory out the window.
LinekersApples Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 We are the champions of England. we will have a decent season, including a bit of fun in the Champions League. A few of the new signings will be great, others will flop. This post/these comments wouldn't exist had JV taken his chances yesterday.
Guest Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 Sad thread. People with agendas against Ranieri after what he did last season.
lgfualol Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 6 minutes ago, FIF said: Sad thread. People with agendas against Ranieri after what he did last season. So true. If we lose next Saturday just wait for all of them to start crying about losing Pearson and Walsh, and making Ranieri the bad guy. I for one am happy we're not paying £30m for a 2 good games-a year winger.
davieG Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 Of course they will have disagreed it happens in all organisations, I'm sure Pearson and Walsh will have disagreed. It doesn't mean anything came from it Walsh had recently signed a new lengthy contract. There were plenty of reasons cited as to why Walsh would want to goto Everton, nearer home, affinity with the club, historically a bigger club and probably more say in players bought.
pazzerfox Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 7 hours ago, brucey said: one of the ITKs on here said that they did indeed disagree. Ranieri didn't want Kante either. Missing out on Gueye will cost us badly. I agree. It scares me that Ranieri will try to change our style into one that won't suit us. It baffles me why we didn't sign Gueye. Apparently quite a few of players that recommended wanted, Ranieri had little interest in.
pazzerfox Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 7 hours ago, splinterdream said: Amerty, Benny, Inler - whose signings were these and where are they fitting in? Good post....Scary thought
Guest Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 Why would it amaze you that we didn't try to sign someone the manager didn't want? Surely the amazing thing would be to sign players that the manager doesn't want.
pazzerfox Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 49 minutes ago, KFS said: Can't we consider that Walsh was the one that bottled it? He's got a reputation for unearthing gems on the cheap, something that as we've probably found out, is near on impossible when you're the Champions. Imagine the conversation we would have had with Villa over Gueye vs Everton- they knew we'd lost Kante and have a windfall from winning the title. It's easy to start analysing everything after an embarrassing loss. Please can we not be that fan base who tears into the manager after winning something. Gueye had a £7.5 million release clause.
lgfualol Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 10 minutes ago, pazzerfox said: I agree. It scares me that Ranieri will try to change our style into one that won't suit us. It baffles me why we didn't sign Gueye. Apparently quite a few of players that recommended wanted, Ranieri had little interest in. I'm sure Ranieri who won us the league will change our style to one that works. Why is he suddenly being treated like an incapable manager. Perhaps the club didn't want Gueye. It isn't always the manager to blame.
LCFC FOX Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 Kante, Fuchs, Gray, Amartey and Musa were walshs recommendations. Benny, Inler, Mendy, Hernandez and Zieler all ranieri's doing. Ranieris management, tactical skills and Walshs transfer policy was bound to succeed. for me losing Walsh was very bad. Would people of been more confident if we had Gueye, Bolasi, Keane and Brady in our team right now?
splinterdream Posted 14 August 2016 Posted 14 August 2016 4 minutes ago, lgfualol said: I'm sure Ranieri who won us the league will change our style to one that works. Why is he suddenly being treated like an incapable manager. Perhaps the club didn't want Gueye. It isn't always the manager to blame. It was said a lot though that when Ranieri came in he did little to change our system, I think his team management has been brilliant, that doesn't mean he's beyond criticism for decisions he makes moving us forward for the new season though. It is perfectly reasonable to question why we're at 70% on the first game of the season.
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