Did Ranieri and Walsh have a disagreement over tansfer policy?

[The whole world smiles]

3 hours ago, LCFC FOX said:

Kante, Fuchs, Gray, Amartey and Musa were walshs recommendations.

 

Benny, Inler, Mendy, Hernandez and Zieler all ranieri's doing.

 

Ranieris management, tactical skills and Walshs transfer policy was bound to succeed. for me losing Walsh was very bad. Would people of been more confident if we had Gueye, Bolasi, Keane and Brady in our team right now?

How could you possibly know that what a bullshit*t merchant.

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, davieG said:

Which we might have done as well, who knows.

 

I also seem to remember a fair few saying don't  buy players from relegated clubs especially one that demoralised.

We'd have heard if we had because their chairman has a massive mouth and puts it all on Twitter.

[Trav Le Bleu]

4 hours ago, pazzerfox said:

I agree.  It scares me that Ranieri will try to change our style into one that won't suit us.  It baffles me why we didn't sign Gueye.

 

Apparently quite a few of players that recommended wanted, Ranieri had little interest in.

You mean like how he changed our style last season and ruined us?

[lgfualol]

1 hour ago, Deucalion said:

When O'Neill left, we did pretty well for a bit.  But, it became apparent that the further away we got from O'Neill's influence, the worse we got.

 

Now I actually love Ranieri to bits.  But...I had a question on my mind, even last year, that I wondered what would happen when the Pearson influence declined.  

 

Now Walsh is out the door and Shakespeare has one foot out, we will get a better feel for the quality of scouting that Ranieri brings with him and also the quality and effectiveness of coaching.

 

People should brace themselves that it might not be as good as the systems he inherited.

 

I'm pretty sure Pearson's influence was gone by the start of last season. It was Ranieri's influence that won us the league. Pearson barely kept us in the league, Ranieri won it. 

[pazzerfox]

11 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

You mean like how he changed our style last season and ruined us?

Quite clearly not.  It was widely reported that Ranieri came in and observed and watched what our strengths were.  I'm just concerned that with the diminishing backroom staff, Ranieri might now enforce a change in our style with the new personnel he brings in.  

[splinterdream]

We leaked goals when Ranieri joined and he set about suring up our defense with this pizza thing and it worked (I'm assuming he made adjustments to training set up) as well as Simpson/Fuchs. I also saw us try experimental free kicks, his subs were spot on. Ranieri is a good manager, not sure about him being chief talent spotter though

[Kitchandro]

Yesterday was awful and there are some concerns but some people are jumping to conclusions way too early here.

[Webbo]

2 hours ago, Deucalion said:

When O'Neill left, we did pretty well for a bit.  But, it became apparent that the further away we got from O'Neill's influence, the worse we got.

 

Now I actually love Ranieri to bits.  But...I had a question on my mind, even last year, that I wondered what would happen when the Pearson influence declined.  

 

Now Walsh is out the door and Shakespeare has one foot out, we will get a better feel for the quality of scouting that Ranieri brings with him and also the quality and effectiveness of coaching.

 

People should brace themselves that it might not be as good as the systems he inherited.

 

We lost games under Pearson as well and in case you've forgotten we won the league last season.

 

What people need to remember is this time last year teams saw us as a chance to gain points and attacked us, this year teams are wary of us and are setting up differently. The system and personnel may need to evolve this season but to claim Ranieri isn't as good as Pearson, as some seem to be doing, is absolutely staggering.

[inckley fox]

3 hours ago, FireFox said:

Can you back any of this up?

 

Inler was definitely not a Ranieri singing. We know that for a fact.

Fuchs was a Pearson signing, had a phone call with him.

 

Kante also may have been scouted by Walsh, but he didn't come to us... not until Claudio got the job.

 

I've heard various people say that they 'know' Inler was a 'Walsh signing', but I've never seen anything concrete to back that up. I may well have missed something there, but there can be no question that Ranieri would have seen enough of Inler himself not to need to scout him as extensively as, say, Kante.

 

But all of that is irrelevant, isn't it? If a manager gives a set of specifications for his scouting team, they scout for those attributes, then the manager gives the green light - then every single one of the players Pearson signed, or attempted to sign, were 'Pearson players' (including Futacs and Bakayogo), and the same goes for Ranieri's. If the manager changes the specifications, then the sort of players we scout change.

 

I doubt Walsh has ever scouted players according to his own personal preferences. It may be, with regard to Inler, Benalouane, that the combination of Pearson's prerequisites plus Walsh, was more effective than the combination of Ranieri's prerequisites plus Walsh.

 

For what it's worth I doubt (though I certainly don't know) that Pearson would have ever asked Walsh to look for players of the Inler ilk. Equally I doubt Ranieri would be on the lookout for the next Futacs.

[Tielemans63]

Idrissa Gueye has one good game for Everton and suddenly he's the messiah we missed out on. Jeez

 

I'm gutted we lost Walsh, I said so at the time but even if he and Ranieri did fall out its pretty much irrelevant as Everton offered him a promotion closer to his family home, at his age that's a bit of a no-brainer.

 

As per, people are looking for things that probably aren't there. 

[tsintskaro]

 

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[Realist Guy In The Room]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

We lost games under Pearson as well and in case you've forgotten we won the league last season.

 

What people need to remember is this time last year teams saw us as a chance to gain points and attacked us, this year teams are wary of us and are setting up differently. The system and personnel may need to evolve this season but to claim Ranieri isn't as good as Pearson, as some seem to be doing, is absolutely staggering.

People just saw how well Derby played against Barnsley and ho.........oh no thats not it.

[Fox92]

Dunno but we haven't recruited well enough for me. You reach a level or a time where players need to be improved. I think out wide we have good option, two good left backs and two decent options in goal but other than that we really need a new centre back, midfielder (holding) and perhaps a striker too.

[Carl the Llama]

3 hours ago, pazzerfox said:

Watch him in a system that suits, with decent players around him.  Everton fans raving about him already.

They won't be so pleased when he's played more than one match and they realise how often he loses possession or picks up needless bookings.  May have had similar interception and tackling stats to Kante last season but that doesn't mean he's the same player or even similarly effective.  Sometimes helps to look beyond the stats.

[pazzerfox]

11 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

They won't be so pleased when he's played more than one match and they realise how often he loses possession or picks up needless bookings.  May have had similar interception and tackling stats to Kante last season but that doesn't mean he's the same player or even similarly effective.  Sometimes helps to look beyond the stats.

I agree that you can't rely on stats alone, but Walsh will know his strengths and i'm sure he will have a more definitive role at Everton.  Time will tell.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Nigel Pearson basically built the club bottom up over 5 years, with a 18 month break. The people he brought in and the facilities he organised were all Grade A and the working relationship between every part of the club was completely harmonious. When Nigel left it was always inevitable that the pieces he left behind were always going to slowly break off. Of course what happened last season was amazing and I wouldn't swap it for anything but my opinion has always been Claudio is ten times better at coaching a football team but Nigel was ten times better at managing a football club.

[Deucalion]

4 hours ago, Webbo said:

We lost games under Pearson as well and in case you've forgotten we won the league last season.

 

What people need to remember is this time last year teams saw us as a chance to gain points and attacked us, this year teams are wary of us and are setting up differently. The system and personnel may need to evolve this season but to claim Ranieri isn't as good as Pearson, as some seem to be doing, is absolutely staggering.

I'm not claiming we were better under Pearson. What I am saying is that there was something of worth in Pearson's setup that Ranieri wanted to keep.

 

So Ranieri kept the spirit, the workrate, the sports science and  the coaching and scouting setup which he inherited from Pearson.

 

He added to this flexibility, tactical know-how, ability to make a substitution and charm and irrepresibility.

 

The combination of both might've won us the league.

 

We know some things about Pearson were top-notch. Even though Ranieri is in some ways top notch,  we might still be worse off the further away we get from some of Pearson's good aspects.

 

[nettle]

Pearson is nowhere near as good as Ranieri just look at the clubs both have managed then compare them.

[fuchsntf]

If so......so what..!!!?

 

If not......So what..

Stupid conspiracy theories...FFS get real, its a mans world..

Missing on this or that player, does not mean this ' superman'  would of  helped us..

I despair sometimes when reading this type of rubbish, and it is rubbish!!!

 

So I couldnt really give a toss, it would never be a point, or an excuse...

[inckley fox]

2 hours ago, nettle said:

Pearson is nowhere near as good as Ranieri just look at the clubs both have managed then compare them.

If you judge a City manager by the stature of their other clubs, then O'Farrell, Milne, Pleat, Lee, Sven and Sousa should be upgrades on Gillies, Bloomfield, O'Neill and Pearson. Which they weren't, as wonderful as some of them might have been.

 

Ranieri had mixed success at many of those big clubs. Managing Atletico in a season when they ended up relegated wasn't to his credit. There was a reason for fans being sceptical about him at first, and it's the same reason why we'd have reservations about Lopez Caro, Benitez, Hiddink, O'Leary, Hoddle, Keegan and Avram Grant. Success at a very well-resourced club doesn't guarantee success here, and failure at a big club less so.

 

What Ranieri did at Atletico, or even at Cagliari, isn't what makes him a great Leicester manager. Nor Pearson at Hull. Steve Walsh played a part in both being great, and it'd be careless if we'd failed to respect his role. Maybe we'll never know what, if anything, happened. It'll go down with Pearson's and Allen's sackings as one of the great Leicester City mysteries.

[CosbehFox]

You won't find a club in the country where a scout and a manager don't have disagreements. It's the nature of the relationship between the two. Like most workplaces, people will disagree but it doesn't affect the daily workings of the business. 

[lgfualol]

53 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

What Ranieri did at Atletico, or even at Cagliari, isn't what makes him a great Leicester manager. Nor Pearson at Hull. Steve Walsh played a part in both being great, and it'd be careless if we'd failed to respect his role. Maybe we'll never know what, if anything, happened. It'll go down with Pearson's and Allen's sackings as one of the great Leicester City mysteries.

Isn't it quite clear why he was sacked though? He didn't get on with the owners anymore and we had that disastrous Thailand trip. 

[Grewks]

13 hours ago, FIF said:

Sad thread. 

 

People with agendas against Ranieri after what he did last season.

Ffs man. According to you i have an agenda against every single member of our club. The only person here who has an agenda against someone is you with me. Twice now we've had disagreements on the ability of both Nugent and King, and twice nothing has suggested either are anywhere near good enough for a side at our level. This thread was created to try and workout potential reasons why Walsh's current targets at Everton, were never approached by us, despite Walsh clearly scouting them. Now, if Everton's new signings are a success, and they finish above us this season, questions will have to be asked. 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Grewks said:

Ffs man. According to you i have an agenda against every single member of our club. The only person here who has an agenda against someone is you with me. Twice now we've had disagreements on the ability of both Nugent and King, and twice nothing has suggested either are anywhere near good enough for a side at our level. This thread was created to try and workout potential reasons why Walsh's current targets at Everton, were never approached by us, despite Walsh clearly scouting them. Now, if Everton's new signings are a success, and they finish above us this season, questions will have to be asked. 

I have never said King should be in the team ( not even last year or the year before) - you're confused as usual.

 

This is simply a thread in your anti-CR rants but if it was as you said about whether players being bought by Everton are going to give them sucess I suggest you wait about 8 months and then post your bollox.

[Grewks]

19 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

They won't be so pleased when he's played more than one match and they realise how often he loses possession or picks up needless bookings.  May have had similar interception and tackling stats to Kante last season but that doesn't mean he's the same player or even similarly effective.  Sometimes helps to look beyond the stats.

 

He lost possession in an awful Villa side. As for 'needless booking', not sure there was such a thing last season given Villa's back 4.