Realist Guy In The Room Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 The longer we stay in the competition the more competitive games the fringe players get so absolutely want to stay in.
lgfualol Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Yea why not, if our 2nd string can beat them then it's good for everyone.
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 100% for a a fair few reasons: •The league cup offers a route to the community shield which was an amazing day out this year. •Im sure winning the league cup gives you qualification to the qualifying rounds in the Europa league? •With the size of our current squad its vital to have these games for match fitness to the squad players. •A good cup run also tends to bring a real buzz around the changing room & with the fans. Gives us all a determined mindset to win another trophy. I personally will be very p*ssed off if we class this as a nothing game.
mikey54 Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 52 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: 100% for a a fair few reasons: •The league cup offers a route to the community shield which was an amazing day out this year. •Im sure winning the league cup gives you qualification to the qualifying rounds in the Europa league? •With the size of our current squad its vital to have these games for match fitness to the squad players. •A good cup run also tends to bring a real buzz around the changing room & with the fans. Gives us all a determined mindset to win another trophy. I personally will be very p*ssed off if we class this as a nothing game. It's the FA Cup winners that contest the Community Shield
Nick Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 It's a B-Team comp for me certainly not worth knackering out our players or picking up injuries for I'd even deli into the development squad if allowed! I'd play Simpson to bed him back in after injury and Zieler because of Kasper's concussion: ...........................Zieler Simpson.....Was.....Hernandez......Chilwell Gray...........King.........James........Kaputska ................Okazaki............Musa................... Bench: Ulloa, Schlupp, Hamer?, Don't know about the rest!
Guest LCFC_World Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Oh course. I haven't payed money to see my team roll over.
tyfox Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Just out of curiosity do the winners of the league cup qualify for Europa cup qualifiers?
sylofox Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Not at the expense of any first choice players. Would rather go out than risk players like vardy and drinky. If our second string do it great but Chelsea will put out a very strong squad. Don't get me wrong I am not disrespecting the competition but we have bigger games coming up. Also fighting on four fronts stronger squads than ours have come out empty handed. Chelsea being one.
fuchsntf Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 2 hours ago, Milo said: The more games we have in this comp then the more time the fringe players can play - including Leo, Okazaki, Chillwell, etc. Need to keep them interested and match fit The first 11 are pretty much going to play in every league and CL game so the second string need to be kept awake and able to step in when needed Its so an easy and simple mindset....Spot on. Its also in these games individuals can push their cases to prove they should be on the 1st team sheet ,offering more game time through shrewd rotation...or for example new recognition and right of a chance for Benny or James.
Maybes Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 13 minutes ago, tyfox said: Just out of curiosity do the winners of the league cup qualify for Europa cup qualifiers? Yes.
tyfox Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Just now, Maybes said: Yes. It's a no brainier then we gotta go all out for it
BrummieFOX Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Funny that people feel the need to justify why they want us to win. Of course we want to win it!
Livid Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Yes, although I think we may have our work cut out tomorrow. I wasn't really bothered a couple of weeks ago but I'm looking forward to see Kaputska, Musa, Gray etc. get a run out.
Captain... Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Are Leicester playing a football match? Then I want them to win that match, no question. Should we rest, rotate and experiment? Sure, that is the managers job, to prioritise games and ensure the players are 100% fit when it matters. We have a deep and talented squad and we will need to use it this season with the CL and AFCON but we should never consider not winning a game.
Strokes Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 I wont lose much sleep if we lose but it would be great to let the fringe players have some good tests.
Thracian Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 2 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said: Naive Tony I'm afraid. 11 Men will not manage the strain of playing League Cup, Champions League, Premier League and FA Cup football all to their conclusion, that's 62 games in a season. It's not so much about them being tired now, but about them being tired on Saturday, or the following Tuesday when we host Porto, or the next game. I'm afraid our strongest XI must be managed, given the League Cup is the least prestigious and is very extra curricular in that it is always played mid week and time on a Saturday is not put aside to play the games (as with the FA Cup) any logical manager is probably going to make it bottom priority (after that farcical LDV Vans hybrid which we seem to be taking far too seriously for some reason) Besides, I actually want to see our second string, Shinji Ulloa and Musa are all players who cost around or upwards 8 figures, we've potentially got a midfielder coming back who needs the game time, two exciting wingers I want to see more of, and highly rated left back who needs some minutes.....for once, although we may not win due to the fact Chelsea are probably going to take it seriously due to the fact they don't have Europe to worry about, the second string actually looks good enough to trouble alot of teams even fellow prem teams. But yes going back to the original point we have the depth so why would we not want to progress. Maybe I gave the wrong impression to some extent. But my key point was about not making not making "wholesale changes" and on reflection I can understand how it perhaps didn't seem like that. Wholesale changes really don't do any any good at all - either for the aim of winning the game or the means of periphery players making an impact in what is almost inevitably a disjointed side. We've seen it so often in recent years with unnecessary defeats, uninspired performances and some ridiculously embarrassing results against the likes of Burton Albion and Shrewsbury, for instance. And I can't immediately recall anything good coming out of those defeats by way of superstar performances against the odds either. I want to see our aspiring stars emerge from the shadows as much as anyone else, not in some makeshift excuse for a football team but in a team built around the people that are driving our ambition and in a set-up that's based on the same or complimentary principles for success. Even at a lower level such as Under 18 or the reserves football we played at Hinckley, success came with a basically established side which might have had two or three changes and which played to a method. Then Mandaric came along with his ragtag foreign legion of no-hopers who should never have worn the shirt and our steady production line of players was reduced to a trickle of first-team feed-in that has never been rectified. As I've said many times, people need proper football. And with all the substitution possibilities these days it is relatively easy to have 16-20 players involved with, and knowing the methods of the first team system, without any of them being especially overloaded in a physical sense. It's not as if the 62 games you mention are played by 11 guys each involved for 90 minutes, or anything like it. And I'd also mention that playing in a winning team is a lot less knackering than playing in a losing team or in hard-fought cliffhangers. The adrenalin of winning keeps everyone fresh or at least sufficient determination in the heart to ignore fatique to a certain extent. Indeed I think the generic reference to "rest" people is more about the diplomatic need to keep everyone happy. I don't discount the value of that - involving people is an important quality for a manager. But involving them fairly and with a reasonable chance of their making an impression is far better than involving them in a mish-mash and far better for the manager in the end because his first responsibility is success and even good players won't often shine through a mess that they can't easily come to terms with and with team-mates picked at random and playing off the cuff. .
Thracian Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 2 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said: Naive Tony I'm afraid. 11 Men will not manage the strain of playing League Cup, Champions League, Premier League and FA Cup football all to their conclusion, that's 62 games in a season. It's not so much about them being tired now, but about them being tired on Saturday, or the following Tuesday when we host Porto, or the next game. I'm afraid our strongest XI must be managed, given the League Cup is the least prestigious and is very extra curricular in that it is always played mid week and time on a Saturday is not put aside to play the games (as with the FA Cup) any logical manager is probably going to make it bottom priority (after that farcical LDV Vans hybrid which we seem to be taking far too seriously for some reason) Besides, I actually want to see our second string, Shinji Ulloa and Musa are all players who cost around or upwards 8 figures, we've potentially got a midfielder coming back who needs the game time, two exciting wingers I want to see more of, and highly rated left back who needs some minutes.....for once, although we may not win due to the fact Chelsea are probably going to take it seriously due to the fact they don't have Europe to worry about, the second string actually looks good enough to trouble alot of teams even fellow prem teams. But yes going back to the original point we have the depth so why would we not want to progress. Maybe I gave the wrong impression to some extent. But my key point was about not making not making "wholesale changes" and on reflection I can understand how it perhaps didn't seem like that. Wholesale changes really don't do any any good at all - either for the aim of winning the game or the means of periphery players making an impact in what is almost inevitably a disjointed side. We've seen it so often in recent years with unnecessary defeats, uninspired performances and some ridiculously embarrassing results against the likes of Burton Albion and Shrewsbury, for instance. And I can't immediately recall anything good coming out of those defeats by way of superstar performances against the odds either. I want to see our aspiring stars emerge from the shadows as much as anyone else, not in some makeshift excuse for a football team but in a team built around the people that are driving our ambition and in a set-up that's based on the same or complimentary principles for success. Even at a lower level such as Under 18 or the reserves football we played at Hinckley, success came with a basically established side which might have had two or three changes and which played to a method. Then Mandaric came along with his ragtag foreign legion of no-hopers who should never have worn the shirt and our steady production line of players was reduced to a trickle of first-team feed-in that has never been rectified. As I've said many times, people need proper football. And with all the substitution possibilities these days it is relatively easy to have 16-20 players involved with, and knowing the methods of the first team system, without any of them being especially overloaded in a physical sense. It's not as if the 62 games you mention are played by 11 guys each involved for 90 minutes, or anything like it. And I'd also mention that playing in a winning team is a lot less knackering than playing in a losing team or in hard-fought cliffhangers. The adrenalin of winning keeps everyone fresh or at least sufficient determination in the heart to ignore fatique to a certain extent. Indeed I think the generic reference to "rest" people is more about the diplomatic need to keep everyone happy. I don't discount the value of that - involving people is an important quality for a manager. But involving them fairly and with a reasonable chance of their making an impression is far better than involving them in a mish-mash and far better for the manager in the end because his first responsibility is success and even good players won't often shine through a mess that they can't easily come to terms with and with team-mates picked at random and playing off the cuff. .
Thracian Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 2 hours ago, Clever Fox said: It's not so Bizarre if you think about it. We went out of the Cup gracefully to Spurs last year when a lot felt we could have gone all the way. But that decision was probably the difference between us and them winning the League. Players are only human after all. There's a limit as to how much you can get out of them no matter how much they train. It's usually a collective of the smaller injuries which reduces their ability to perform at the highest level. Which is why they have to be monitored and protected. That was only a problem because of the replay and the disgraceful way we were prevented from winning the first game.
lcfcben76 Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 why do people always buy into this bollocks of going out will help us in the league?? most teams play fringe with few first teamers anyway and surely players of this quality should be able to play one or two midweek games? People need to get out of that mindset and see what is a good opportunity to win more silverware. If people really think that Tottenham winning the fa cup match vs us last year and going on to play Colchester and palace cost them a chance of winning the league they need to get their heads checked.
HighPeakFox Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 2 hours ago, covefox said: We're not going to win the pl or cl so aim for this trophy . I rule out nothing. I reckon this team is capable of almost anything.
Manwell Pablo Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 17 minutes ago, Thracian said: Maybe I gave the wrong impression to some extent. But my key point was about not making not making "wholesale changes" and on reflection I can understand how it perhaps didn't seem like that. Wholesale changes really don't do any any good at all - either for the aim of winning the game or the means of periphery players making an impact in what is almost inevitably a disjointed side. We've seen it so often in recent years with unnecessary defeats, uninspired performances and some ridiculously embarrassing results against the likes of Burton Albion and Shrewsbury, for instance. And I can't immediately recall anything good coming out of those defeats by way of superstar performances against the odds either. I want to see our aspiring stars emerge from the shadows as much as anyone else, not in some makeshift excuse for a football team but in a team built around the people that are driving our ambition and in a set-up that's based on the same or complimentary principles for success. Even at a lower level such as Under 18 or the reserves football we played at Hinckley, success came with a basically established side which might have had two or three changes and which played to a method. Then Mandaric came along with his ragtag foreign legion of no-hopers who should never have worn the shirt and our steady production line of players was reduced to a trickle of first-team feed-in that has never been rectified. As I've said many times, people need proper football. And with all the substitution possibilities these days it is relatively easy to have 16-20 players involved with, and knowing the methods of the first team system, without any of them being especially overloaded in a physical sense. It's not as if the 62 games you mention are played by 11 guys each involved for 90 minutes, or anything like it. And I'd also mention that playing in a winning team is a lot less knackering than playing in a losing team or in hard-fought cliffhangers. The adrenalin of winning keeps everyone fresh or at least sufficient determination in the heart to ignore fatique to a certain extent. Indeed I think the generic reference to "rest" people is more about the diplomatic need to keep everyone happy. I don't discount the value of that - involving people is an important quality for a manager. But involving them fairly and with a reasonable chance of their making an impression is far better than involving them in a mish-mash and far better for the manager in the end because his first responsibility is success and even good players won't often shine through a mess that they can't easily come to terms with and with team-mates picked at random and playing off the cuff. . I've got to some what disagree with you there, if you look at the teams we slung out out against Burton and Shrewsbury they are a far cry from the players struggling to get game time in this squad, this wont be a rag tag bunch more like the players who are going to get game time throughout the season as certain players are not going to sustain the energy levels to play two games a week every week. We are talking the likes of Hernandez who has deputized for Simpson twice already, Was,Gray, possibly Mendy and King and a front line of Musa and Ulloa/Okazaki with a combined worth of 26 million pounds. Nothing like sending Michael Cain and Ryan Watson out to face seasoned professional players. I'd say the team we are going to put out would probably be making up a lot of that 16-20 players you talk of. We only made two subs Saturday despite playing Wednesday and being well out of sight, that suggests to me most of that team will be rested and the lads not getting on the pitch on Saturday will be used tomorrow night.
lcfcben76 Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 2 hours ago, covefox said: Yes, absolutely. Squad confidence etc. We're not going to win the pl or cl so aim for this trophy . I hope we try and win every trophy but I would look at this and think its one more for fringe players and if we progress then delightful however may be better to see where we are in terms of CL and prem come February and then give the fa cup a real good go if we aren't right in contention
Thracian Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 23 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said: I've got to some what disagree with you there, if you look at the teams we slung out out against Burton and Shrewsbury they are a far cry from the players struggling to get game time in this squad, this wont be a rag tag bunch more like the players who are going to get game time throughout the season as certain players are not going to sustain the energy levels to play two games a week every week. We are talking the likes of Hernandez who has deputized for Simpson twice already, Was,Gray, possibly Mendy and King and a front line of Musa and Ulloa/Okazaki with a combined worth of 26 million pounds. Nothing like sending Michael Cain and Ryan Watson out to face seasoned professional players. I'd say the team we are going to put out would probably be making up a lot of that 16-20 players you talk of. We only made two subs Saturday despite playing Wednesday and being well out of sight, that suggests to me most of that team will be rested and the lads not getting on the pitch on Saturday will be used tomorrow night. i don't doubt you'll be right about our team selection and if I was in Ranieri's situation i'd perhaps try to form two definitive sides for the present, one for the Premiership/Champions League and the other for all our Cup football and try to retain those line-ups apart from substitutes and injury situations. But last season's experience against Hull suggests it'll still be a mess (like the others i mentioned) not because the players are lousy but because it's a "remainders" team, however you look at it, and they won't ever be as inspired, organised and determined as the first team. So much football now is effectively contrived - there to give people games, to promote the club, generally maintain income and keep product football in the public eye. Admission is discounted like "sell-by" food but it's still hard to get passionate about it any more unless we get to a final - and then we'd likely play a proper team and, suddenly, no-one would be tired at all! * PS: I may be wrong about our last two games but I don't imagine many players being especially tired after playing the two games you mentioned. It was a joy to see us win our first Champions League game but I didn't really see Bruges as being as strong a challenge as Burnley from a pressing/workrate point of view and we certainly didn't play with the abandon and impact we showed against the northerners at times on Saturday. Whyl, we even had a decent share of possession which would probably rate a mention in the next issue of Fossils and Foxes! The journey to Bruges wouldn't have been sapping and, while the Burnley game will undoubtedly have worked up a sweat for some (but surely not our defenders) and in any case it was nothing more than recovery aspects of our training would have dealt with by this morning. Tomorrow everyone will be itching to play again because it's a lot more fun than the alternative of intense training. Chelsea in the Cup at home or sprints and practice routines at Belvoir Drive? Which would we all want to do most? Don't get me wrong, I'll be going to the game. But I stiill remember the Burton defeat like a nightmare and think it a pity that if we don't want to contest these matches properly anymore, we don't just play em behind closed doors. Of course the overspill players are welcome to prove me wrong and show all the passion they failed to show at Hull last season. But it's not been the way of things for years and neither the Hull game, nor far too many League Cup games I've attended in recent seasons, succededed in making a case for anyone being elevated to the first team either. Indeed the last such performance I recall was when Schluppy scored a hat-trick from central midfield somewhere up north (Rotherham?), yet never played in that position again as I ever saw! 20 minutes ago, lcfcben76 said: I hope we try and win every trophy but I would look at this and think its one more for fringe players and if we progress then delightful however may be better to see where we are in terms of CL and prem come February and then give the fa cup a real good go if we aren't right in contention
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 We've got a very strong squad and I think we're capable of going far in the competition. Same goes for the FA Cup.
Kevinparr71 Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Hope we do we'll in all competitions we enter this year ( really want us to do the f a cup this year) for the players who may not play week in week out will give them decent game time
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