Winsum Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 I think we have enough on our plate and even though a good run in the cup is good for the club and fans , an exit tomorrow would not be too big a disappoint to me. The CL and league are a big challenge and we benefitted last year by being focused on the premier for most of the season.
Buzzell Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 I want us to compete in every competition going so yeah.
foxy boxing Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 it would not be the end of the world if we went out but yes I would like us to progress. if we progress we can give more opportunities to the younger players like chilwell and also give musa a much needed game time
Winsum Posted 19 September 2016 Author Posted 19 September 2016 Agree, but don't think the second string can beat a decent first Premier eleven If Chelsea field anything like their first team tomorrow then I think that will be that. Our second eleven back four lacks the necessary to progress
Milo Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 The more games we have in this comp then the more time the fringe players can play - including Leo, Okazaki, Chillwell, etc. Need to keep them interested and match fit The first 11 are pretty much going to play in every league and CL game so the second string need to be kept awake and able to step in when needed
RoyFox Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 League position, Man Utd coming up and Porto next week, you cannot risk fielding many (if any) of the first 11 IMO. Good chance to see Kaputska, Gray, Musa, Chilwell and give some match fitness for Schlupp and Mendy.
Thracian Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Indifference to the cup seems to be our attitude each season but I really don't see why. Let's give our best and keep winning is my view. I don't think any of our players will be especially tired - the workload is so well shared these days and the physical wellbeing of the players so well monitored. I also think it folly to make wholesale changes for games. Our great strength is "individuality within teamwork" and we need to adapt for things like the League Cup in such a way as to maintain the qualities our style so effective so that, gradually, all our players fit seamlessly into the scheme of it. And the very core of our philosophy is winnng - not winning at home and drawing away - but winning week in, week out as the most effective way of easing pressure on ourselves and enabling us to make the most of our fabulous talents. League or cup it's the next game that counts. Once you start introducing the element of indifference you start diluting the spirit the makes our team and it's individuals all that they can be. Everyone and everything at the club should be focused on winning and being the best. For the first team right down to the academy kids on the day they arrive and including management and staff as well. Olympians chase gold - everything else is makeweight. We chase titles and trophies. It's what we exist for and recent seasons have been so exhilarating.
Finnegan Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 It's funny, I've always wanted us to go out in the first round. Now I want us to stay in to give games to the likes of Gray, Kapustka, Shinji, etc. I can see us losing. I think we'll play a heavily rotated team and I think they won't. I can see them playing their first team, they need to find some form and they're not in Europe. No excuses.
Finnaldo Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 It's not as tasking as it was last year as we have more than enough quality in fringe and squad players to have a good go. We can play the best XI for the league and Europe but still have a good enough second string to compete in both domestic cups. If our fringe team can beat Chelsea tomorrow, why couldn't they go the entire way? Should we need we could implement a few more from our first XI (especially if we progress in the FA Cup). So in the long run I feel we could progress until the later stages with our fringe players in both tournaments if they give it their best, which realistically we should expect from this squad.
Fox92 Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 When the end prize is a trophy of course we want to progress.
Stevosevic Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Yes - lots of players who aren't getting a kick atm
filbertstreet Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 I still want to win the brian clough trophy
Clever Fox Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Yes I'd like to see us progress for the same reasons already stated. Give the rest of the squad a game and see ho's up for it. But I'm not sure Kaputska is ready to play yet.as the Sports Science have been building up his physicality so as he'll be able to compete. I'm not sure he'd cope against physical defenders like Chelsea have. But he is a quality signing and I'm sure will become a Fans favourite. I think Morgan or Simpson might be the only regulars who play. A lot will depend on what team Chelsea field.
kingcarr21 Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 What a bizarre question. Cant see any reason why you wouldn't want to progress
Manwell Pablo Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 16 minutes ago, Thracian said: Indifference to the cup seems to our attitude each season but I really don't see why. Let's give our best and keep winning is my view. I don't think any of our players will be especially tired - the workload is so well shared these days and the physical wellbeing of the players so well monitored. I also think it folly to make wholesale changes for games. Our great strength is "individuality within teamwork" and we need to adapt for things like the League Cup in such a way as to maintain the qualities our style so effective so that, gradually, all our players fit seamlessly into the scheme of it. And the very core of our philosophy is winnng - not winning at home and drawing away - but winning week in, week out as the most effective way of easing pressure on ourselves and enabling us to make the most of our fabulous talents. League or cup it's the next game that counts. Once you start introducing the element of indifference you start diluting the spirit the makes our team and it's individuals all that they can be. Everyone and everything at the club should be focused on winning and being the best. For the first team right down to the academy kids on the day they arrive and including management and staff as well. Olympians chase gold - everything else is makeweight. We chase titles and trophies. It's what we exist for and recent seasons have been so exhilarating. Naive Tony I'm afraid. 11 Men will not manage the strain of playing League Cup, Champions League, Premier League and FA Cup football all to their conclusion, that's 62 games in a season. It's not so much about them being tired now, but about them being tired on Saturday, or the following Tuesday when we host Porto, or the next game. I'm afraid our strongest XI must be managed, given the League Cup is the least prestigious and is very extra curricular in that it is always played mid week and time on a Saturday is not put aside to play the games (as with the FA Cup) any logical manager is probably going to make it bottom priority (after that farcical LDV Vans hybrid which we seem to be taking far too seriously for some reason) Besides, I actually want to see our second string, Shinji Ulloa and Musa are all players who cost around or upwards 8 figures, we've potentially got a midfielder coming back who needs the game time, two exciting wingers I want to see more of, and highly rated left back who needs some minutes.....for once, although we may not win due to the fact Chelsea are probably going to take it seriously due to the fact they don't have Europe to worry about, the second string actually looks good enough to trouble alot of teams even fellow prem teams. But yes going back to the original point we have the depth so why would we not want to progress.
Clever Fox Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 6 minutes ago, kingcarr21 said: What a bizarre question. Cant see any reason why you wouldn't want to progress It's not so Bizarre if you think about it. We went out of the Cup gracefully to Spurs last year when a lot felt we could have gone all the way. But that decision was probably the difference between us and them winning the League. Players are only human after all. There's a limit as to how much you can get out of them no matter how much they train. It's usually a collective of the smaller injuries which reduces their ability to perform at the highest level. Which is why they have to be monitored and protected.
AyewJoking Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 the domestic cups are less important for me than ever seeing as we have champions league to focus on. i'll be happy if we win this though
RastaDog Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 53 minutes ago, Benji said: Yes, we have players who need game time. I was going to say 'not bothered' until I read the above. It's a very good point.
kingcarr21 Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 2 minutes ago, Clever Fox said: It's not so Bizarre if you think about it. We went out of the Cup gracefully to Spurs last year when a lot felt we could have gone all the way. But that decision was probably the difference between us and them winning the League. Players are only human after all. There's a limit as to how much you can get out of them no matter how much they train. It's usually a collective of the smaller injuries which reduces their ability to perform at the highest level. Which is why they have to be monitored and protected. We played a second string side in the cups. Only Schmeichel, Simpson and Drinkwater played that were regular starters. It will have had little effect on our first 11. We have a squad of good players who need game time. The more games the better. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Who's to say if we stayed in the cup we still wouldn't have pissed all over the league. Its all ifs and buts. With Champions League this season if we make wholesale changes to our squad for the cups then there is no reason why anyone wouldn't want us to progress.
lcfcben76 Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Baffles me that people even ask these questions, how can you not want your team to win a match? Especially with lads who aren't getting game time, no brainier
Raw Dykes Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Ideally, yes. Mainly so the fringe players get more games, and to keep the winning streak going. I won't be upset if we go out. No shame in losing to Chelsea, and the League Cup, or EFL or whatever, isn't a big deal to us at the mo. I would like to see us give the FA Cup a real go this season if we're doing okay in the league, but we've won the League Cup a few times, it's not very prestigious, and we're champs of England now. Still have to pinch meself.
covefox Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Yes, absolutely. Squad confidence etc. We're not going to win the pl or cl so aim for this trophy .
Manwell Pablo Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 45 minutes ago, Clever Fox said: It's not so Bizarre if you think about it. We went out of the Cup gracefully to Spurs last year when a lot felt we could have gone all the way. But that decision was probably the difference between us and them winning the League. Players are only human after all. There's a limit as to how much you can get out of them no matter how much they train. It's usually a collective of the smaller injuries which reduces their ability to perform at the highest level. Which is why they have to be monitored and protected. But that's last year and that's the FA cup, different kettle for me. We were top of the league trying to achieve the impossible, and if we are in that situation again I agree it's the stiffs getting the go ahead for every round. This year, by the time the FA cup in particular has got to the stage where we enter, we might (in fact it's a real possibility) find ourselves in a position where we are playing realistically only going to finish 5th at best. If that's the case I'd want to see the competition made a high priority until the CL starts again at the very least. There is also the fact we were pretty unlucky to draw Spurs, as I've stated above I think our second XI is probably going to be enough to beat the majority of the 64 teams entered so for the third round so we shouldn't even have to play the best possible XI we can lay our hands on. As for the League Cup I agree at the moment it makes perfect sense to rotate, players need minutes and we could do with giving a few a bit of time off before playing two more games in quick succession. But even then surely you still want to win the game.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 19 September 2016 Posted 19 September 2016 Some people's mentality really confuses me. You can just see it now, a few months down the line when we're out of the FA cup, just been knocked out of the CL in the round of 16, and the league campaign is a steady mid table affair, everyone on here would be giving it the "why didn't we give the League cup a go this year? Best squad we've ever had we should have taken the chance when we had it!!!1111!!11".
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