Dilly Ding Dilly Dong.. 4-4-2 away is ALL WRONG!

[weller54]

Why is Ranieri being an Ostrich? 

[Fox92]

Gray coming off the bench was the best thing that happened all game.

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Why is Ranieri being an Ostrich? 

It's a good question. Given what happened at anfield, it's quite astonishing. having said that, we were the better side in the first 20 and defending like that from set pieces isn't to do with setting up 4-4-2

[Fox92]

Just now, st albans fox said:

It's a good question. Given what happened at anfield, it's quite astonishing. having said that, we were the better side in the first 20 and defending like that from set pieces isn't to do with setting up 4-4-2

It's as though

 

1) He didn't even learn from what happened at Anfield

2) We don't actually practise defending set pieces in training

[ramadaone]

7 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Why is Ranieri being an Ostrich? 

You weren't saying that last season were you

 

another fair weather supporter whose knowledge of the game could be written on the end of his knob

 

 

 

 

[Donut]

2 minutes ago, ramadaone said:

You weren't saying that last season were you

 

another fair weather supporter whose knowledge of the game could be written on the end of his knob

 

 

 

 

No, but youve got to be flexible and recognise when something isnt working, rather than persist stubbornly

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

It's as though

 

1) He didn't even learn from what happened at Anfield

2) We don't actually practise defending set pieces in training

You could say he's giving the system a chance based on us being more than comfortable with it before. Changing it based on one game at Liverpool, not sure he'd do that. 

 

A continuation of this happening and he'll have to.

[ScouseFox]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

You could say he's giving the system a chance based on us being more than comfortable with it before. Changing it based on one game at Liverpool, not sure he'd do that. 

 

A continuation of this happening and he'll have to.

yep, two games away against two of the best teams in the league. most teams will lose at anfield and old Trafford whether they play 442, 433, 550, 811 it won't matter. 

 

much like the full backs at the start of last year, it's looking like we can't carry on with this and when the time comes ranieri will make the necessary decisions to change it. 

[BoyJones]

442 didn't lose us that game. 

 

The system is not what's important, it's whether the players can play in the system chosen. 

 

The issue is focus and attention particularly at dead ball situations. We are switching off at too many key moments, started at Hull just before half time and is a regular feature this season. 

[Tuna]

19 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Why is Ranieri being an Ostrich? 

 

[foxes21]

4-4-2 away from home can still work if:

 

1) Mendy comes good

2) Okazaki plays for his defensive capabilities

3) Vardy returns to doing the dickov-esque dirty work we saw in parts of last season/the seasons before

[Fox92]

6 minutes ago, Babylon said:

You could say he's giving the system a chance based on us being more than comfortable with it before. Changing it based on one game at Liverpool, not sure he'd do that. 

 

A continuation of this happening and he'll have to.

It ain't going to work. Our defence (too old and not good enough) need protection which Kante gave them. We probably need two holding men away from home. Okazaki should play also.

 

Our preparation in the summer including our recruitment was shocking.

[GaelicFox]

His tactics in 2nd half should have been the ones for whole game !!!!  One target man and 5 accross with the whole team pushing on , Islam might be that target guy , his touch is coming but is way off the speed of this league at the mo  , and his passing is improving , it needs to

 

I'm afraid Claudio your looking a little like you are stubborn , after Liverpool we should never have set up like that away from home again against the top 8 teams in league 

 

hope he has a long think and puts it right .... I trust him to do so 

 

if we don't we could get sucked into lower table madness 

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, ScouseFox said:

yep, two games away against two of the best teams in the league. most teams will lose at anfield and old Trafford whether they play 442, 433, 550, 811 it won't matter. 

 

much like the full backs at the start of last year, it's looking like we can't carry on with this and when the time comes ranieri will make the necessary decisions to change it. 

I was reading the fearless book and something in it made me worry a little. It talked about Ranieri, how all he thought about was football how he put in huge amounts of preparation.

 

Then I start reading articles in the summer and today again about his life changing, him going off to events and lunches, meetings, sponsor events etc quite a lot.

 

Did make me wonder if what happened had made him blink a little and lose focus like some of the players have. Hopefully not and he's still totally focused... But there have been a few questionable decisions already this year and he was almost faultless last.

[dylanlegend]

To be fair 4-4-2 worked for us fine last year, people are saying we can't play this cos we haven't got Kante but I think it's much more than that:

 

- the defence have lost confidence (getting drummed in pre season doesn't help)

 

- our defending from set pieces has never been great, this season atrocious (maybe huth / Morgan aren't being as physical as before due to the new rules)

 

- other teams are much better than last year. Liverpool looking good, Man U spent a fortune. 

 

- we seem to over emphasise the long ball to Vardy all the time. At the start of last season we actually played good football passing it about etc and setting up fast counter attacks, now it's literally Drinky to Vardy, far too predictable. 

 

I dont think changing formation is the 'quick fix' we all hope for, we just need to accept last season was a one off and as long as we don't get relegated in the next 5 years, enjoy every minute of it.

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I was reading the fearless book and something in it made me worry a little. It talked about Ranieri, how all he thought about was football how he put in huge amounts of preparation.

 

Then I start reading articles in the summer and today again about his life changing, him going off to events and lunches, meetings, sponsor events etc quite a lot.

 

Did make me wonder if what happened had made him blink a little and lose focus like some of the players have. Hopefully not and he's still totally focused... But there have been a few questionable decisions already this year and he was almost faultless last.

Perhaps we also need to take into account that last season we had the whole week to prepare for the next game re tactics etc 

 

with midweek games every week, the manager and players don't have this luxury. 

 

[cc_star]

Doesn't matter on formation if our fullbacks don't stay in touch with the centrebacks

 

The four of them are playing like strangers... It's the opposite of last season & worse than even the season before where we never shipped goals for fun & our workrate was competitive

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Perhaps we also need to take into account that last season we had the whole week to prepare for the next game re tactics etc 

 

with midweek games every week, the manager and players don't have this luxury. 

 

Very true, so you'd think he'd be putting in every second he could on prep for today rather then going to a Tag Heur launch mid week.

[GaelicFox]

6 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

To be fair 4-4-2 worked for us fine last year, people are saying we can't play this cos we haven't got Kante but I think it's much more than that:

 

- the defence have lost confidence (getting drummed in pre season doesn't help)

 

- our defending from set pieces has never been great, this season atrocious (maybe huth / Morgan aren't being as physical as before due to the new rules)

 

- other teams are much better than last year. Liverpool looking good, Man U spent a fortune. 

 

- we seem to over emphasise the long ball to Vardy all the time. At the start of last season we actually played good football passing it about etc and setting up fast counter attacks, now it's literally Drinky to Vardy, far too predictable. 

 

I dont think changing formation is the 'quick fix' we all hope for, we just need to accept last season was a one off and as long as we don't get relegated in the next 5 years, enjoy every minute of it.

We need a FIX , quick or other and the formation is being destroyed away from home at present , stick with it away from home will only  lead to a disaster season away from home.  I hate to say it but Kantes loss means the back 4 are having to react much quicker and they are being found out so so much 

 

huth and morgan looked so exposed today it was painful to watch , but when we changed formation in 2nd half they pushed up and looked less anxious , 4-4-2 looked OK when we were pressing for first 20 mins , but as soon as they clicked  after the first goal they destroyed us through the middle

 

we need a quality centre half with pace and then we could tinker with 3-5-2 which could be effective given our skill set offensively 

 

what ever .... Claudio has to start to tinker again 

 

we want the tinker man back   

 

 

 

 

[GaelicFox]

9 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Very true, so you'd think he'd be putting in every second he could on prep for today rather then going to a Tag Heur launch mid week.

Massively unfair ! 

[Guest Col city fan]

38 minutes ago, Babylon said:

You could say he's giving the system a chance based on us being more than comfortable with it before. Changing it based on one game at Liverpool, not sure he'd do that. 

 

A continuation of this happening and he'll have to.

Should have been done already. That's two away games, 8 goals conceded. 

I think he'll get three in the central area for the next away game.

[Manwell Pablo]

I'm the only one concerned about our opponents scoring with nearly every corner they had in the first 45 over the formation then.

 

they had 8 in total and put away three, two of which you'd be yelling at your mates if they defended like that on a Sunday morning. Before anyone comments on us conceding too many due to the formation, 8 corners is pretty close to average I reckon.

 

played well for first 20 then proper went to shit after they'd scored. Maybe 4-51 will shore us up a bit but can't be relying on 20-25 yard screamers to pick us points up every week and when you let in 3 corners from 8 the formation is actually irrelevant.

[Chico1958]

Is he being to loyal to the Team that won the League bar one

 

Remember It took him 6 or 7 games before he changed the back four last year

 

The rest as they say is History, and what a History making year it was.

[Koke]

Second half against United is how we should set up in away games against the top 6. One of Vardy or Slimani probably will have to be dropped I'm afraid. 433 or 451 because our slow aging CBs need protection. Or maybe a 352 away to Chelsea and Tottenham with Morgan, Huth and Hernandez as CBs, Fuchs and Albrighton as wingbacks (we unfortunately don't have adequate RB and CM options at the moment).

 

Home games against the likes of Burnley and Swansea we will be fine and probably steamroll them with ease. 

[Zinou]

45 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

His tactics in 2nd half should have been the ones for whole game !!!!  One target man and 5 accross with the whole team pushing on , Islam might be that target guy , his touch is coming but is way off the speed of this league at the mo  , and his passing is improving , it needs to

 

I'm afraid Claudio your looking a little like you are stubborn , after Liverpool we should never have set up like that away from home again against the top 8 teams in league 

 

hope he has a long think and puts it right .... I trust him to do so 

 

if we don't we could get sucked into lower table madness 

We lost a battle not the war . Slimani need more time . And Mahrez need to wake up