leicsmac Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 3 minutes ago, bovril said: Surely the swastikas are anti-Trump? Perhaps, perhaps not. The others are rather less ambiguous. And this is just a selection. FWIW I don't think Trump wants nor needs this, but it's reasonably clear that some of his supporters think they are now free to intimidate as they wish because they think they'll soon have legislation backing them up.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 you're always going to get ***** though, sad thing is it'll be used as pure spin to brand 60 million americans as nazi racists
Guest Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 5 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Perhaps, perhaps not. The others are rather less ambiguous. And this is just a selection. FWIW I don't think Trump wants nor needs this, but it's reasonably clear that some of his supporters think they are now free to intimidate as they wish because they think they'll soon have legislation backing them up. Similar to Brexit in some respects. Obviously all those who voted for him or that aren't racist, and it's ill judged for people to make that assumption. Those who are though must feel like this vote has legitimised their prejudices .
MPH Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 4 hours ago, Adster said: Trump winning is the result of one of the most pathetic, childish and immature elections I've ever seen. Are these fully grown adults beings or petulant children? I don't claim to know much about or like politics but watching them hurl insults at each other rather than trying to actually put forward a decent case for wanting to run the country was quite frankly laughable. Not one of them cares. All they said was "Clinton won't do this" or "Trump hasn't/has done this", there was no focus on what THEMSELVES wanted to do. It was worse than the whole brexit and UK General election thing. In truth. i have a disdain for american politicians and how they handle themselves... Even when they are battling people from their own political party, they will dig up and throw whatever dirt they can find, slander each other, twist facts and do whatever it takes to put someone from their own political party in a bad light. To me, that stinks of being power hungry- For the most part they seem more fixated on securing the presidency than they do representing the people
leicsmac Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 13 minutes ago, Emilio Lestavez said: Similar to Brexit in some respects. Obviously all those who voted for him or that aren't racist, and it's ill judged for people to make that assumption. Those who are though must feel like this vote has legitimised their prejudices . Spot on.
Guest MattP Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 Do people still seriously believe it's Trump supporters who go out doing that? I very much doubt it. More likely hard left activists so they can takethe picture, share ionfFacebook and smear the opponents. The one video I've seen online today is a group of blacks beating upa white guy for voting Trump . But take anything you see on the Internet with a pinch of salt, even the BBC tried toblame that Polish bloke being killed in Harrow on a post Brexit mob attack and weeks later we find out it was a fight.
Buzzell Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 9 hours ago, Voll Blau said: Yeah, gr8 banter for the #numbers. It's not even funny FFS.
Guest MattP Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 These protests and petitions to overturn the result are absolutely hilarious. This is literally going to happen now every single time the so called progressives lose an election in a Western nation isn't it?
leicsmac Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 20 minutes ago, MattP said: Do people still seriously believe it's Trump supporters who go out doing that? I very much doubt it. More likely hard left activists so they can takethe picture, share ionfFacebook and smear the opponents. The one video I've seen online today is a group of blacks beating upa white guy for voting Trump . But take anything you see on the Internet with a pinch of salt, even the BBC tried toblame that Polish bloke being killed in Harrow on a post Brexit mob attack and weeks later we find out it was a fight. Yeah, of course it's a fvcking false flag. Every such incident (there were at least forty in the source I used, mostly anecdotal and I picked the more obvious pictorial ones) that's been put up on social media is a fvcking false flag. Sorry for being abrupt Matt, but if you don't think at least a hardcore minority of Trump supporters are capable of such things and are carrying them out then you're as naive as me believing that we might all get along some day.
Barky Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 5 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said: If World War III does kick off can we be on someone other than France's side this time? Fcking liability's. I'd have modern France on our side any day. Doesnt matter whether it's machine gun fire or air raids, N'golo Kante will intercept it all.
ealingfox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 33 minutes ago, MattP said: Do people still seriously believe it's Trump supporters who go out doing that? I very much doubt it. More likely hard left activists so they can takethe picture, share ionfFacebook and smear the opponents. The one video I've seen online today is a group of blacks beating upa white guy for voting Trump . But take anything you see on the Internet with a pinch of salt, even the BBC tried toblame that Polish bloke being killed in Harrow on a post Brexit mob attack and weeks later we find out it was a fight. You're at best naive and at worst deluded if you think no such incidents here after Brexit and in the US now were perpetrated by bigots who think that these election results legitimise their actions.
Guest WarehamFox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 I have been very quiet on this subject since "leicsmac" miss quoted me yesterday morning, even though he/she has been very busy. Watching the demo's against Trump on TV and most seem to be teenagers (witch is fine), but do any work or pay taxes? (Everyone wants something for free! Which is not possible) I live Massachusetts one of the democrat's safe state's in the USA., but Obama's divide and rule/conquer policies have been a disaster! Which may have cost Hillary. I grew up off the Uppingham Road, on a council estate 30 odd years ago and used my first vote on Keith Vaz (how left am I?). You grow up, learn stuff and when you get a vote (which is a right to every person in a free/democratic country), the majority win. But as left as I have been it's a farce to demonstrate against the right of the people. People saying the far right is being a Nazi, but it's being turned round. Very sad
Strokes Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 8 minutes ago, ealingfox said: You're at best naive and at worst deluded if you think no such incidents here after Brexit and in the US now were perpetrated by bigots who think that these election results legitimise their actions. It's such a small minority I think figure we're a massive increase in hate but in real terms it was like a few hundred more. Some of them weren't even racially motivated, and a significant portion was online/social media abuse. It was literally a storm in a tea cup.
Jimothy Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 3 minutes ago, WarehamFox said: I have been very quiet on this subject since "leicsmac" miss quoted me yesterday morning, even though he/she has been very busy. Watching the demo's against Trump on TV and most seem to be teenagers (witch is fine), but do any work or pay taxes? (Everyone wants something for free! Which is not possible) I live Massachusetts one of the democrat's safe state's in the USA., but Obama's divide and rule/conquer policies have been a disaster! Which may have cost Hillary. I grew up off the Uppingham Road, on a council estate 30 odd years ago and used my first vote on Keith Vaz (how left am I?). You grow up, learn stuff and when you get a vote (which is a right to every person in a free/democratic country), the majority win. But as left as I have been it's a farce to demonstrate against the right of the people. People saying the far right is being a Nazi, but it's being turned round. Very sad Not always.* Clinton - 60,026,756 Trump - 59,767,667 *I'm fully aware of how the US election works and Trump rightly won. But in a system like theirs (and ours) more votes doesn't always equal power or more seats (see UKIP at the last general election.)
bovril Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 21 minutes ago, MattP said: These protests and petitions to overturn the result are absolutely hilarious. This is literally going to happen now every single time the so called progressives lose an election in a Western nation isn't it? I'm sure if Trump had the won the popular vote but lost the electoral college all would be calm.
leicsmac Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 9 minutes ago, WarehamFox said: I have been very quiet on this subject since "leicsmac" miss quoted me yesterday morning, even though he/she has been very busy. Watching the demo's against Trump on TV and most seem to be teenagers (witch is fine), but do any work or pay taxes? (Everyone wants something for free! Which is not possible) I live Massachusetts one of the democrat's safe state's in the USA., but Obama's divide and rule/conquer policies have been a disaster! Which may have cost Hillary. I grew up off the Uppingham Road, on a council estate 30 odd years ago and used my first vote on Keith Vaz (how left am I?). You grow up, learn stuff and when you get a vote (which is a right to every person in a free/democratic country), the majority win. But as left as I have been it's a farce to demonstrate against the right of the people. People saying the far right is being a Nazi, but it's being turned round. Very sad Welcome back. Enjoying the snark, I rather like using it myself. And yes, I've been busy. Fear for the safety of friends, even if unfounded, does that to a person.
Jon the Hat Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 I am at a work event this week near Paris, and we had a very interesting guest speaker this evening. A french professor of Geopolitical science, globally reknowned, who has indeed been on TV and radio for most of the last 24 hours. He is very concerned about Trump on a number of key areas: 1) The soft power / influence of the USA has already been damaged by the result. 2) Trump is woefully ill qualified for the role, in particular understanding the complexities of international politics. 3) Trump has likely already undermined NATO to the point where Putin will see little downside in invading Ukraine in the short term. 4) Trump will not honour defence treaties with Japan or South Korea, which will upset the balance of power in the Pacific where Chain are already expanding their interests agressively. Essentially the stability which has come from American Power and influence may well have just come to an end overnight, and the world is a much more dangerous place effective 9 am yesterday morning. Unfortunately the guy was rather convincing, His positive closing point was that the rise of populism and the far right is not a foregone conclusion, and we must fight for our moral values, and not allow other interests to silence us.
Manwell Pablo Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 1 hour ago, Barky said: I'd have modern France on our side any day. Doesnt matter whether it's machine gun fire or air raids, N'golo Kante will intercept it all. Alright saying that till he goes and fights for Isis for 50 grand a week more.
GaelicFox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 7 hours ago, MC Prussian said: The great thing about stats is that they can be used/abused/misinterpreted in any way you like. Which time frame exactly are we talking about here? 2008 to 2016? You also don't give a credible source and don't go into more detail as to what the numbers were BEFORE Obama took office. Add to that the fact that Obama's policies or plans were regularly blocked by a Senate or Congress dominated by Republicans. And it'd be interesting to see what the numbers are in 2017. Policies take time to be implemented and it takes years for the effects to manifest themselves. All in all, an ill-researched and populist post. Need to do better. What did you have for lunch ?
GaelicFox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 1 hour ago, WarehamFox said: I have been very quiet on this subject since "leicsmac" miss quoted me yesterday morning, even though he/she has been very busy. Watching the demo's against Trump on TV and most seem to be teenagers (witch is fine), but do any work or pay taxes? (Everyone wants something for free! Which is not possible) I live Massachusetts one of the democrat's safe state's in the USA., but Obama's divide and rule/conquer policies have been a disaster! Which may have cost Hillary. I grew up off the Uppingham Road, on a council estate 30 odd years ago and used my first vote on Keith Vaz (how left am I?). You grow up, learn stuff and when you get a vote (which is a right to every person in a free/democratic country), the majority win. But as left as I have been it's a farce to demonstrate against the right of the people. People saying the far right is being a Nazi, but it's being turned round. Very sad Lived off uppingham/gipsy lane Road 25 years ago for a few years fantastic times
Guest WarehamFox Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 59 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Not always.* Clinton - 60,026,756 Trump - 59,767,667 *I'm fully aware of how the US election works and Trump rightly won. But in a system like theirs (and ours) more votes doesn't always equal power or more seats (see UKIP at the last general election.) Well that stat is very sad, less than 120 million voted! Maybe America has only that many voters? You are prob right that here and in the UK the most votes do not win an election. Thank God we never lived in Northen Ireland in the bad old days when one unionist vote counted for more than any Nationalist vote. But that's another fact of democracy in the UK!
bovril Posted 10 November 2016 Posted 10 November 2016 Why all the analysis though? Since Franklin D, there have been 7 republicans and 6 democrats in office.
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