Guest MattP Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 If Hillary has spoken as humbly and as honestly as this throughout the campaign things may have been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 amazing this is like her best speech of the campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 6 minutes ago, MattP said: If Hillary has spoken as humbly and as honestly as this throughout the campaign things may have been different. Both have spoken so much better once the result had been announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: Both have spoken so much better once the result had been announced. She finally looked like a human being, it's amazing what defeat can do to a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 Another embarrassing stat for Clinton. Trump is the first candidate to spend less yet still win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 Clinton's a fraud, an understatement yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 46 minutes ago, MattP said: Any Corbynistas getting excited it could be up for grabs? Anti-establishment voting at an all time here, pollsters possibly manipulating public opinion? A bit more hopeful we won't be annihilated I have to admit. I've never really thought a majority will happen but a hung parliament could be a possibility. What could be interesting is the parallel election campaigns in 2020 if May doesn't hold an early election. The democrats could run a Bernie "successor" and they'd conceivably be two left wing movements running simultaneously that summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 55 minutes ago, MattP said: I posted it earlier, Hillary lost because natural Democrat voters wouldn't come out and vote for her in the same way they did for Obama. Mitt Romney got 60.9 million votes in 2012 and lost, Donald Trump has got 58.1million in 2016 and is winning a landslide. The final result looks like a landslide, but that's the colleague system in play. Clearly the vote was a lot closer, especially given the overall numbers - it would only have taken a small swing the other way to flip a couple of the key states. Given the figures that have been presented as well... It could be argued that Hillary lost this election more than Trump winning it? Naturally Trump won't let us say that too much and he did have a hand in Hillary's downfall, but her tactics / advice on this was all wrong. Additionally, its becoming clear why the polls were so out of kilt, because I have no doubt they were factoring in votes cast in the past 2 elections, without weighting them to account they had been for a candidate that had much higher personal approval ratings compared to Hillary (certainly first time round) and let's face it a better campaign - and on this point, I reckon someone could cut videos together of Obama's and Trumps campaigns and find loads of similarities in style and presentation. Now that really is quite a stark, fundamental and embrassing error for the polling companies. They knew they were dealing with unpresidented scenario, but continued to scale on known ones. The Brexit pollers have more of an excuse, but there's none here for the US ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzinderFox Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 13 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Another embarrassing stat for Clinton. Trump is the first candidate to spend less yet still win. That's an immoral amount of money to spend on literally deceiving the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 Fortunately guns are ten a penny in the states so hopefully someone uses their second amendment on Mr. Trump sometime soon. #reelinginGazzinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzinderFox Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said: Fortunately guns are ten a penny in the states so hopefully someone uses their second amendment on Mr. Trump sometime soon. #reelinginGazzinder @Voll Blau 999 left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 5 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: A bit more hopeful we won't be annihilated I have to admit. I've never really thought a majority will happen but a hung parliament could be a possibility. What could be interesting is the parallel election campaigns in 2020 if May doesn't hold an early election. The democrats could run a Bernie "successor" and they'd conceivably be two left wing movements running simultaneously that summer. Clearly a lot depends on the "progress" of both May and Trump with their respective tasks... but I wonder if this result could encourage May to spin the dice and call an early election as she may feel she needs that safeguard of a few extra years. Trying to negotiate Brexit with a difficulty in your own Parilmentary structure! with the now additional uncertainties of a US under Trump, French and German elections coming up and whatever Russia may be playing at. Add in the confidence she will have that the overall public mood is with her for the time being, there's a lot of tactical reasons why she might go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 Just now, GazzinderFox said: @Voll Blau 999 left! You may want to check the white text in that post you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lgfualol Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 Well its been about 8 hours since he became president and I havent been nuked so pretty happy about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_77 Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 19 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: The final result looks like a landslide, but that's the colleague system in play. Clearly the vote was a lot closer, especially given the overall numbers - it would only have taken a small swing the other way to flip a couple of the key states. Given the figures that have been presented as well... It could be argued that Hillary lost this election more than Trump winning it? Naturally Trump won't let us say that too much and he did have a hand in Hillary's downfall, but her tactics / advice on this was all wrong. Additionally, its becoming clear why the polls were so out of kilt, because I have no doubt they were factoring in votes cast in the past 2 elections, without weighting them to account they had been for a candidate that had much higher personal approval ratings compared to Hillary (certainly first time round) and let's face it a better campaign - and on this point, I reckon someone could cut videos together of Obama's and Trumps campaigns and find loads of similarities in style and presentation. Now that really is quite a stark, fundamental and embrassing error for the polling companies. They knew they were dealing with unpresidented scenario, but continued to scale on known ones. The Brexit pollers have more of an excuse, but there's none here for the US ones. Polls are polls, they do not factor in any past voting behavior, simply a respondent's answer. Pollsters, pundits, and media outlets used various methodologies to come up with their projections based on the data in the polls and other factors. There certainly were different approaches used: Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight provided detailed rationale for his methodology, for example; he also projected that Trump had a reasonable chance to win. Certainly the polls missed something and on top of that, we probably also saw convergence of various polls during the last few days of the campaign, since the pollsters were probably reluctant to look like an outlier so close to the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_77 Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 6 minutes ago, lgfualol said: Well its been about 8 hours since he became president and I havent been nuked so pretty happy about that He'll be President in January, there's still time for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_77 Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 36 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: The final result looks like a landslide, but that's the colleague system in play. Clearly the vote was a lot closer, especially given the overall numbers - it would only have taken a small swing the other way to flip a couple of the key states. Given the figures that have been presented as well... It could be argued that Hillary lost this election more than Trump winning it? Naturally Trump won't let us say that too much and he did have a hand in Hillary's downfall, but her tactics / advice on this was all wrong. Additionally, its becoming clear why the polls were so out of kilt, because I have no doubt they were factoring in votes cast in the past 2 elections, without weighting them to account they had been for a candidate that had much higher personal approval ratings compared to Hillary (certainly first time round) and let's face it a better campaign - and on this point, I reckon someone could cut videos together of Obama's and Trumps campaigns and find loads of similarities in style and presentation. Now that really is quite a stark, fundamental and embrassing error for the polling companies. They knew they were dealing with unpresidented scenario, but continued to scale on known ones. The Brexit pollers have more of an excuse, but there's none here for the US ones. 8 minutes ago, The_77 said: Polls are polls, they do not factor in any past voting behavior, simply a respondent's answer. Pollsters, pundits, and media outlets used various methodologies to come up with their projections based on the data in the polls and other factors. There certainly were different approaches used: Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight provided detailed rationale for his methodology, for example; he also projected that Trump had a reasonable chance to win. Certainly the polls missed something and on top of that, we probably also saw convergence of various polls during the last few days of the campaign, since the pollsters were probably reluctant to look like an outlier so close to the election. And the polls were much closer in the US than in the UK for Brexit, just that the difference between our polls and the result is amplified by our Electoral College. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 If Trump does get assassinated then the usa is even more ****ed. Mike Pence would take over, the guy who wants gay conversion therapy and abortions to be illegal Trump seems fantastic in comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 Brexit - Trump - I think you've got to blame it on protest votes. Now i'm not saying I agree with Brexit or Trump, tbh I'm not bothered either way - what does bother me or annoy me should I say is everyone who seems to think they're a political expert on social media all of sudden - the likes of people who are outraged simply because they're following the crowd and they're not quite sure what they're supposed to be outraged about. I'm not going to become one of those that I've just talked about - I know nothing, I'm not that interested, but this is my view - I think you have to put some of the blame on those before them for the mess there countries were already in, "the people" (i.e. The majority who voted) are pissed of with the running of their country whether it be here with the brexit vote or the yanks with the Trump vote, it's an extreme, probably won't make anything better, might/possibly make it worse but it's a protest vote, ultimately the majority who voted its what people want so it's time to get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 1 hour ago, lgfualol said: Well its been about 8 hours since he became president and I havent been nuked so pretty happy about that Won't take office until mid-January 2017, but I guess you can never tell whether he'll want to inspect the facilities beforehand already so he can grab that p***y button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 1 hour ago, lgfualol said: Well its been about 8 hours since he became president and I havent been nuked so pretty happy about that He's not the president yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 When you look at it Life's a bowl of shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 49 minutes ago, lgfualol said: If Trump does get assassinated then the usa is even more ****ed. Mike Pence would take over, the guy who wants gay conversion therapy and abortions to be illegal Trump seems fantastic in comparison Surely they're from the same school of thought otherwise why would Pence be associated with Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliall Posted 9 November 2016 Share Posted 9 November 2016 This shit freaks me out, how can they be so accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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