Gary Neville

[Mike Oxlong]

3 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Have most of the time have favoured Neville (alongside Quinn) with his down-to-earth analysis.

 

Carragher is alright, but seems to have a chip about us and the fact I have to turn the TV volume louder when he talks in particular to try and understand what he's saying with that strong scouse accent.

Try Sky Channel 438.

 

Same coverage but subtitled for non-scousers when Carragher's doing his punditry.

[foxy boxing]

it isn't exactly rocket science what these pundits are coming out and saying, they are only stating the bleeding obvious

[Guest bennytwohats]

14 hours ago, NewEnglandFox said:

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/10757868/what-now-for-leicester

 

I didn't see if anyone posted it. Sky postgame w/ Neville Carragher

This whole section was spot on and some of the best analysis I've seen of our current predicament.

 

the interview from Kasper as well was enlightening.

 

i know a lot on here want him gone, but I also agreed with their points about sacking Ranieri - it would make it just that little bit harder to enjoy football. After what he has done for us, given or size, it would make it quite hard for me to muster any enthusiasm for us after that. It should be an absolute last resort, and there are many more things we could try to shake things up before that. I just hope we pull our finger out and do that to quiet some voices.

 

A reaction at Swansea is really needed. Ring in the changes, try and lift the mood.

[Bablemikey]

If we can play the whole game at Swansea like we did in the first 40 minutes against Man U I'd be happy, and we might well come away with at least a point too.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

16 hours ago, SpinneyHillRanger said:

It's the players getting too big for their boots. Not Ranieri. 

 

Players rewarded with big contracts and now think they're too good to chase and be tough to beat. Some of them thinking they can get a mutiny going to oust their manager.

 

Morgan and huth look shot to shitt 

 

Drinkwater is having bad game after bad game. Ever since that mistake that cost us the game vs Stoke, he has been terrible.

 

Okazaki useless. Musa lacks confidence. Mahrez anonymous. 

 

Carra, Quinn and Neville got it right today regarding our attitude and our situation. Ranieri deserves a statue outside and these players should be shamed for trying to get him out with their shitty attempts at 'performing'

 

 

Spot on

[daddylonglegs]

"I'd be questioning the players more than the manager. They maybe think they're better than what they are because they are an average group of players, who did something special last season"

 

This is absolutely spot on from Carragher. 

[Spudulike]

4 hours ago, daddylonglegs said:

"I'd be questioning the players more than the manager. They maybe think they're better than what they are because they are an average group of players, who did something special last season"

 

This is absolutely spot on from Carragher. 

 

We already know this, don't we ?? That's what got the world talkng about us last season... a group of players that built a confidence, a swagger, that belied their ability. Believing in themselves and team mates was the key and winning the league and being invited to play the worlds best in a prestigious tournament reinforced that psychological high. There was nothing to make them believe otherwise, why would they ?? They were even still winning awards in December.

 

This season's reality has now had the opposite effect and they are now clearly in mental turmoil ultimately affecting them physically. It's difficult to see how this state of mind can be turned around. I don't think it's lack of effort or will to win. They are just a bunch of lost souls. If they somehow stay up then some of these players need to get away to other clubs (if they can afford their wages) in the summer for the sake of their careers and our club.

[Leamington Fox]

Anyone - ANYONE- but that animal Souness is ok with me.

[old koppite]

Anyone think he didnt give us credit for being in the game during the first 40 minutes? Just felt a bit of Man U bias, and rattling on about our poor form.

Or maybe me being too defensive/ paranoid 

[Koke]

2 minutes ago, old koppite said:

Anyone think he didnt give us credit for being in the game during the first 40 minutes? Just felt a bit of Man U bias, and rattling on about our poor form.

Or maybe me being too defensive/ paranoid 

 

We were OK for 40 minutes. Nothing special. Just a lot of huffing and puffing. United didn't even get out of second gear at all. They won't have an easier away game all season. 

[old koppite]

Just now, Koke said:

 

We were OK for 40 minutes. Nothing special. Just a lot of huffing and puffing. United didn't even get out of second gear at all. They won't have an easier away game all season. 

Yeah, I know what you mean- I'm just trying to find some, any glimmer of hope !

[coolhandfox]

22 hours ago, Dickov22 said:

 

He said we are where we should be, battling relegation. I'm sorry but I disagree. We won the league by ten points and spent about £80m on that squad. We should be top ten comfortably. 

 

The problem is we have spent 80 million on players from second tier leagues, bring in 5-6 players. We should have spent it on 2-3 players with PL experience, Joe Allen, Troy Deeney, Gylfi Sigurdsson and Keane.

 

 

[fox_favourite]

3 hours ago, Leamington Fox said:

Anyone - ANYONE- but that animal Souness is ok with me.

Or McManaman, he's a biased twonk

[ZeGuy]

On 2/5/2017 at 21:08, Babylon said:

Spot on... sick of people highlighting the defence when they are getting exposed to constant pressure. Yet the absolute toss in front of them get glossed over most of the time.

 

Every single player from front to back isn't performing. When was the last time we scored a bloody goal for gods sake.

In the PL, Slim against West Ham December 26th.

[Jimothy]

4 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

In the PL, Slim against West Ham December 26th.

December 31st actually.

[ZeGuy]

1 minute ago, Facecloth said:

December 31st actually.

True. My memory is failing me. We played (and lost) against Everton the 26th.

[CupidStunt]

LMFAO

 

Pundits got it spot on?!?  Maybe they did in parts, but Carragher or Neville (cant remember which) made an almighty gaff..  

 

They made reference to old big Sam, and what he would do when he first starts at a club in the time of need......

 

"Get the players playing dirty, and hard to beat"   Lol, what have Palace done? Won 1, lost 5?

 

Proof that a new manager isnt always what is needed

 

I just want Claudio to realise some home truths

[Dickov22]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

 

The problem is we have spent 80 million on players from second tier leagues, bring in 5-6 players. We should have spent it on 2-3 players with PL experience, Joe Allen, Troy Deeney, Gylfi Sigurdsson and Keane.

 

 

 

I agree entirely . However in principle, that team from last season with a further £80m invested should not be relegation candidates despite what the the national media keep telling us . 

[Gerard]

10 hours ago, bennytwohats said:

This whole section was spot on and some of the best analysis I've seen of our current predicament.

 

the interview from Kasper as well was enlightening.

 

i know a lot on here want him gone, but I also agreed with their points about sacking Ranieri - it would make it just that little bit harder to enjoy football. After what he has done for us, given or size, it would make it quite hard for me to muster any enthusiasm for us after that. It should be an absolute last resort, and there are many more things we could try to shake things up before that. I just hope we pull our finger out and do that to quiet some voices.

 

A reaction at Swansea is really needed. Ring in the changes, try and lift the mood.

 

I don't buy that, it's like saying dropping Vardy or Mahrez can't be allowed to happen.

 

For me Ranieri has no answers, he's literally hoping things will turn out well. When is the last time he made a correct decision? Dead man walking for me and I hope the only thing holding up his dismissal is the lack of a credible replacement.

[Raw Dykes]

11 hours ago, bennytwohats said:

This whole section was spot on and some of the best analysis I've seen of our current predicament.

 

the interview from Kasper as well was enlightening.

 

i know a lot on here want him gone, but I also agreed with their points about sacking Ranieri - it would make it just that little bit harder to enjoy football. After what he has done for us, given or size, it would make it quite hard for me to muster any enthusiasm for us after that. It should be an absolute last resort, and there are many more things we could try to shake things up before that. I just hope we pull our finger out and do that to quiet some voices.

 

A reaction at Swansea is really needed. Ring in the changes, try and lift the mood.

I don't really understand this. I'd find it easier to enjoy football if my club wasn't getting spanked every week. Wouldn't you be able to muster more enthusiasm if the team looked like they were giving it their all and not just going through the motions?

[coolhandfox]

19 hours ago, Bablemikey said:

If we can play the whole game at Swansea like we did in the first 40 minutes against Man U I'd be happy, and we might well come away with at least a point too.

Really, we only create one real opportunity to score? 

[adejo92]

I don't see a point being much good to us if i am being honest. If we drop 2 points where do we make up for it?

[Guest bennytwohats]

8 hours ago, Raw Dykes said:

I don't really understand this. I'd find it easier to enjoy football if my club wasn't getting spanked every week. Wouldn't you be able to muster more enthusiasm if the team looked like they were giving it their all and not just going through the motions?

Yeah of course I would. But that wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making was about which steps we take to try and make that happen.

 

Most people want to jump straight to the last resort and sack the man who bought us the best times in this clubs memory. People will no doubt think that my view has far too much sentimentality. However I think football is a largely dislikeable sport, with fickle, ignorant, bigoted fans (not all, but as a collective it is much more overt than any other sport, or probably any sub section of society), a short termism approach, overpaid and entitled players. We were basically a middle finger to all of that last year, and I couldn't have been prouder. A bunch of misfits and rejects, no ego - all about the team. A bunch of fans whose expectations had been wildly exceeded and were proud of what we had done regardless of the final outcome. There were still elements to dislike (Vardy, Simpson), but on the whole it was golden. 

 

There are so many ugly things about the calls for Ranieri to be sacked, not least the sense of entitlement of our fans, wanting to throw the man under the bus and the speed and venom with which the tide of opinion shifted, the people trying to discredit him for anything to do with our success (it was all good old, English, Nigel Pearson - let's face it, a thug, who had us rooted bottom for almost an entire season). We will undermine all of the qualities that made us so likeable last year.

 

Im not saying Ranieri should be immune from criticism, I'm also not denying that there have been obvious failings in his part. But I do believe there are changes that can be made before resorting to sacking him - I don't think we have exhausted those options yet.

 

People refererence Chelseas decision to sack Mourinho as a precedent, yet they are an absolute joke of a club in the way they toss out successful managers and are rightly criticised by the majority of fans and pundits. I don't want to see us become just as bad as they are.

 

that doesn't mean I'm resigned to the idea of getting relegated. Try something, give Kasper the captaincy, drop Drinkwater, drop Morgan, Huth, start Slimani, give some youth a chance. Use derby as a platform to ring in some changes and try and kick on. That's a short and simple list - I don't know what has gone wrong behind the scenes, but clearly there is something. Problems come up in the work place and often get sorted without people being sacked, just get it the **** done.

 

So much chat that we are already down. We have 14 games to go, and are two points out of the drop zone. It's not a good situation but it's not unsalvageable.

 

To end the fairytale right now by sacking the manager is pretty unsavoury for me, and so yeah, I'd find it quite hard to muster enthusiasm after that, not just for Leicester, but for football as a sport.

[Raw Dykes]

35 minutes ago, bennytwohats said:

Yeah of course I would. But that wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making was about which steps we take to try and make that happen.

 

Most people want to jump straight to the last resort and sack the man who bought us the best times in this clubs memory. People will no doubt think that my view has far too much sentimentality. However I think football is a largely dislikeable sport, with fickle, ignorant, bigoted fans (not all, but as a collective it is much more overt than any other sport, or probably any sub section of society), a short termism approach, overpaid and entitled players. We were basically a middle finger to all of that last year, and I couldn't have been prouder. A bunch of misfits and rejects, no ego - all about the team. A bunch of fans whose expectations had been wildly exceeded and were proud of what we had done regardless of the final outcome. There were still elements to dislike (Vardy, Simpson), but on the whole it was golden. 

 

There are so many ugly things about the calls for Ranieri to be sacked, not least the sense of entitlement of our fans, wanting to throw the man under the bus and the speed and venom with which the tide of opinion shifted, the people trying to discredit him for anything to do with our success (it was all good old, English, Nigel Pearson - let's face it, a thug, who had us rooted bottom for almost an entire season). We will undermine all of the qualities that made us so likeable last year.

 

Im not saying Ranieri should be immune from criticism, I'm also not denying that there have been obvious failings in his part. But I do believe there are changes that can be made before resorting to sacking him - I don't think we have exhausted those options yet.

 

People refererence Chelseas decision to sack Mourinho as a precedent, yet they are an absolute joke of a club in the way they toss out successful managers and are rightly criticised by the majority of fans and pundits. I don't want to see us become just as bad as they are.

 

that doesn't mean I'm resigned to the idea of getting relegated. Try something, give Kasper the captaincy, drop Drinkwater, drop Morgan, Huth, start Slimani, give some youth a chance. Use derby as a platform to ring in some changes and try and kick on. That's a short and simple list - I don't know what has gone wrong behind the scenes, but clearly there is something. Problems come up in the work place and often get sorted without people being sacked, just get it the **** done.

 

So much chat that we are already down. We have 14 games to go, and are two points out of the drop zone. It's not a good situation but it's not unsalvageable.

 

To end the fairytale right now by sacking the manager is pretty unsavoury for me, and so yeah, I'd find it quite hard to muster enthusiasm after that, not just for Leicester, but for football as a sport.

Okay, that's fair enough.

 

I just think that the reality is, the reason people want Ranieri gone is that he isn't trying any of those things. It seems like he'll never drop any of the players who have been a mere shadow of their former selves all season. It seems like Morgan is undroppable and that he'll always be captain as long as he's here, even though there are players clearly better suited for the role in the team. It seems like he has no plan when it comes to player selection, formation or tactics. It also seems like he has no idea about man management or motivation. I think it's clear to see that he has lost the dressing room, and I just can't see how he's going to rectify that in time.

 

It would be ideal if Claudio could turn this around, but there's just no sign of it happening. In fact, to me, it looks as though we're headed for 20th spot as quickly as we can possibly get there.

 

In an ideal world, I'd like to keep the manager who brought us the unimaginable for as long as possible. If we were slightly higher up the table, and looked at least competitive on the pitch, I doubt many people would want rid. As things stand, though, we could be about to jump into oblivion, and the only available option to avoid it is a change of manager. I'd like Ranieri to stay, but not if it means the club has to suffer. This won't be any old relegation. This one could have ingredients of a Leeds or Portsmouth slide.

[Guest bennytwohats]

4 minutes ago, Raw Dykes said:

Okay, that's fair enough.

 

I just think that the reality is, the reason people want Ranieri gone is that he isn't trying any of those things. It seems like he'll never drop any of the players who have been a mere shadow of their former selves all season. It seems like Morgan is undroppable and that he'll always be captain as long as he's here, even though there are players clearly better suited for the role in the team. It seems like he has no plan when it comes to player selection, formation or tactics. It also seems like he has no idea about man management or motivation. I think it's clear to see that he has lost the dressing room, and I just can't see how he's going to rectify that in time.

 

It would be ideal if Claudio could turn this around, but there's just no sign of it happening. In fact, to me, it looks as though we're headed for 20th spot as quickly as we can possibly get there.

 

In an ideal world, I'd like to keep the manager who brought us the unimaginable for as long as possible. If we were slightly higher up the table, and looked at least competitive on the pitch, I doubt many people would want rid. As things stand, though, we could be about to jump into oblivion, and the only available option to avoid it is a change of manager. I'd like Ranieri to stay, but not if it means the club has to suffer. This won't be any old relegation. This one could have ingredients of a Leeds or Portsmouth slide.

I agree with a lot of that and I want to see change as much as anyone. Just hope it takes some form other than sacking the manager.

 

I do find the situation more than a little confusing though. We've thought he lost the dressing room before and then we come out and batter City 4-1, or knock Everton out the cup. There is clearly something going on but I just wonder if it's a little bit simplistic to say he has lost the dressing room. But really what do we know? I've not seen any reliable information on the matter. The manager has come under fire on here for defending the players and being somewhat passive in the face of the media - but those interviews aren't for the fans, without knowing the details inside the dressing room it's hard to say if it's the right call or not.

 

I was dismayed at the lack of signings in January but by all accounts there was clearly the intention there to sign a centre back, it just didn't come off. Again it's hard to know who to blame for this.

 

It might turn out that this is all down to Ranieri and he is completely to blame. Based on what I've seen it takes a wilful jump in logic to point the finger entirely at him when I think the reality probably is an unprecedented situation with a multitude of factors in it and a number of people that should shoulder the blame, with Ranieri not entirely blameless. That being the case I'd feel uncomfortable making one man the scapegoat, and not entirely convinced that a new manager will sort out the rot in the dressing room.

 

my hope is that we will soon have everyone back from ACON, some cup games that will hopefully lift the mood. I also thing the reality of being right down at the bottom might just be what is needed to snap some people out of whatever has been going on.

 

Fingers crossed eh, life is certainly never boring as a Leicester fan.