Isn't it time Rudkin crawled out from under his stone and offered some support?

[Guest ttfn]

The Kante clause was totally understandable. Totally reasonable approach from the club as an incentive to get the player to sign. 

 

The less said about putting a release clause in Jamie Vardy's February contract the better. Unbelievably amateurish. 

[jammie82uk]

39 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Oh yes, I agree with 100%. However, if Rudkin is getting away with doing things he is accused of, the buck surely stops somewhere else. He shouldn't be allowed to pull the wool over the eyes of a successful business man. Top I can understand, he's naive and never worked a day in his life. Vichai, however, is a shrewd operator whose done far more in his life than me or Rudkin. He must be doing something right in his eyes to be such a prominent member.

With the limited time they spend in the country it might be easier then it seems.  

Might be getting my chain of command wrong but isn't Susan Whelan technically his boss 

 

 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

4 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

With the limited time they spend in the country it might be easier then it seems.  

Might be getting my chain of command wrong but isn't Susan Whelan technically his boss 

 

 

I think so. Then again, she's had quite career too, albeit in retail but anyone whose had experience with the higher uppers in that industry know how cut throat it is. Don't get me wrong, the "director of football" tag means he responsible for the most important part of the product. Which, in all aspects is shite but if horse doesn't follow, criticise the master for not cracking the whip. It's their investment, money and their financial loss if it goes tits up. He's obviously doing something to impress someone. From the outside, that is very hard to establish - a director should be delivering more and from the football side alone, it seems he isn't. Blame the ones who keep letting him serve up the rubbish.

[Albert]

6 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Tried to get Nigel Pearson the sack after the James McArthur incident (allegedly)

Alienated anyone in the Academy (staff) that tried to be conventional and dynamic, hence the shocking state it is in (allegedly)

Makes bids for players and then seldom follows up the interest unsettling players and clubs (allegedly)

 

 

All untrue.

[deep blue]

Pretty well everything that Pearson  put in place re the infrastructure of the club (which appears to some extent to be being dismantled now) would surely come under the remit of the DOF position. Given the his 2 particular weaknesses - team tactics and dealing with the press - aren't handled by the DOF, it seems to me that Pearson would be ideal for the job.

 

He would be able to bring back to the club all the long term planning, infrastructure etc that was the basis for our consistent progress over the last few years.

[ozvaldo]

Was he our Academy Coach?  

I don't understand how he got this job based on the set of day-to-day tasks that he would have done in his previous role?

Isn't it a bit like Shakey becoming Director of Football and sorting all the contracts/finances out?  

 

Before anyone loses their shit, I'm not being flippant, I just don't know what he actually does and how got there.  

[foxinsocks]

48 minutes ago, deep blue said:

Pretty well everything that Pearson  put in place re the infrastructure of the club (which appears to some extent to be being dismantled now) would surely come under the remit of the DOF position. Given the his 2 particular weaknesses - team tactics and dealing with the press - aren't handled by the DOF, it seems to me that Pearson would be ideal for the job.

 

He would be able to bring back to the club all the long term planning, infrastructure etc that was the basis for our consistent progress over the last few years.

It is a truism in life that people iften strive to do the thibgs they are worst at rather than play to their strengths 

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, ozvaldo said:

Was he our Academy Coach?  

I don't understand how he got this job based on the set of day-to-day tasks that he would have done in his previous role?

Isn't it a bit like Shakey becoming Director of Football and sorting all the contracts/finances out?  

 

Before anyone loses their shit, I'm not being flippant, I just don't know what he actually does and how got there.  

Don't know his background but he wasn't an ex pro like shakey. Suspect he must have some academic basis to him so perhaps that's how he has managed to climb to where he sits. We aren't privy to the mechanics of what occurs within the club so we don't know where it's all gone wrong and who should carry the can. for all we know, he could be doing a great job and others are undermining him.. 

 

i suspect this isn't the case but that's purely my instinct and that can be wildly poor! 

 

I believe Susan whelan doesn't get involved at all with the football side of the 'business'. Her gig is the commercial side

[foxinsocks]

I have met susan whelan... she has a very good grasp of how fans relate to the club.... i think she is a real asset.

I have met rudkin... i think he got the job coz is wouldnt challange anyone or rock the boat. I have met many directors of large blue chip companies.  .  .. he doesnt strike me as someone i would hire in any capacity

[sylofox]

4 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

I have met susan whelan... she has a very good grasp of how fans relate to the club.... i think she is a real asset.

I have met rudkin... i think he got the job coz is wouldnt challange anyone or rock the boat. I have met many directors of large blue chip companies.  .  .. he doesnt strike me as someone i would hire in any capacity

He's not a company director he's a football director. I doubt many that you talk about could do his job.

[foxinsocks]

2 minutes ago, sylofox said:

He's not a company director he's a football director. I doubt many that you talk about could do his job.

You may be right. ... but many come across as very focussed folk who identify what has to be done and persue it relentlessly with charm energy and authority.

 

 

[sylofox]

4 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

You may be right. ... but many come across as very focussed folk who identify what has to be done and persue it relentlessly with charm energy and authority.

 

 

Some director posts fine it's maths and figures and anyone can do it in any business. But I'm not sure I'd take on a director from mother care to build nuclear subs.

 

To me a true dog needs to have done or worked alongside people he/she overseas. The egos would not take kind being told what to do by someone that has no clue.

[Thracian]

20 minutes ago, sylofox said:

He's not a company director he's a football director. I doubt many that you talk about could do his job.

Exactly what about his job is so complicated?  

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

Think he used to be involved at park/ amateur level of coaching. Those i've spoken to who knew him then say he was reasonably astute (then) and has (obviously) done well for himself. But not in a 'I knew he'd always do well' sort of way.

 

Fair to say his depth of experience is basically what he has gained at Leicester City, suggests it falls short. He may be the muts nuts and we don't realize, or he hides it well. Fact is, he's not that respected by those who have a vested interest in players development.

 

Instrumental in the implementing the dismissal of Pearson. Obviously didn't see eye to eye, But NP,  Quote JR  - In his last two weeks gave the club many reasons to fire him and they really had no choice.

 

Wiki - Rudkin has since overseen the development of players through the Leicester City youth academy such as Andy King, Joe Mattock, Richard Stearman, Jeffrey Schlupp and Liam Moore

[deep blue]

56 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

I have met susan whelan... she has a very good grasp of how fans relate to the club.... i think she is a real asset.

I have met rudkin... i think he got the job coz is wouldnt challange anyone or rock the boat. I have met many directors of large blue chip companies.  .  .. he doesnt strike me as someone i would hire in any capacity

I am intrigued - in what capacity did you meet Whelan and Ruskin? As an official of Foxes Trust, maybe? Are you in a position to be a bit of an ITK as far as the inner workings of the club are concerned?

 

Forgive (and ignore) me if I've overstepped the nosiness mark.

[norwichfox]

13 minutes ago, deep blue said:

I am intrigued - in what capacity did you meet Whelan and Ruskin? As an official of Foxes Trust, maybe? Are you in a position to be a bit of an ITK as far as the inner workings of the club are concerned?

 

Forgive (and ignore) me if I've overstepped the nosiness mark.

+1 for that

[foxinsocks]

23 minutes ago, deep blue said:

I am intrigued - in what capacity did you meet Whelan and Ruskin? As an official of Foxes Trust, maybe? Are you in a position to be a bit of an ITK as far as the inner workings of the club are concerned?

 

Forgive (and ignore) me if I've overstepped the nosiness mark.

At various meetings with club officials.  Neither did more or less than i would have expected... from smalltalk is where i made my assessments of character and mastery.  It's my opinion.  I have not observed rudkin at work.... so it might be he is dynamite.  When interviewing for roles people often have the techincal or opeational skills... but as to their intellegence commitment consiencoiusness charm forthrightness integrity and authority etc... its is always good to chat i find 

[desertfox2]

If it's true that all the new contracts signed in the summer have a 40% pay cut clause if we get relegated then that's the best thing he has done for the club.

 

Don't get me wrong I have been a big critic of his but credit where it's due. That was sensible.

[Wymsey]

Presumably Rudkin got the Director of Football job because he knows the club 'inside out' and discussed what is what with the owners etc over time.

 

That doesn't mean he's effective in the job, as having knowledge about something doesn't always constitute with knowing how to improve certain aspects.

[filbertway]

58 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Presumably Rudkin got the Director of Football job because he knows the club 'inside out' and discussed what is what with the owners etc over time.

 

That doesn't mean he's effective in the job, as having knowledge about something doesn't always constitute with knowing how to improve certain aspects.

This forum is a testament to that  

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

14 hours ago, Albert said:

All untrue.

Not all untrue. 2 is most definitely true.

 

1 I'm not sure about as I heard it was Vichai who'd lost his temper and then Top and Rudkin actually said we've got no one to replace him with. 

 

And on 3 I've heard from several journos and agents this is the case, not always gospel but on a subject like that they'd probably be fairly clued up.

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, Abrasive fox said:

Not all untrue. 2 is most definitely true.

 

1 I'm not sure about as I heard it was Vichai who'd lost his temper and then Top and Rudkin actually said we've got no one to replace him with. 

 

And on 3 I've heard from several journos and agents this is the case, not always gospel but on a subject like that they'd probably be fairly clued up.

Interesting and I respect your insight in to this. I heard that Rudkin was behind all the confusion in the press with that did he didn't he get sacked and he made things very complicated with Pearson. There was certainly no love lost between Nigel and Rudkin.

[deep blue]

5 hours ago, foxinsocks said:

At various meetings with club officials.  Neither did more or less than i would have expected... from smalltalk is where i made my assessments of character and mastery.  It's my opinion.  I have not observed rudkin at work.... so it might be he is dynamite.  When interviewing for roles people often have the techincal or opeational skills... but as to their intellegence commitment consiencoiusness charm forthrightness integrity and authority etc... its is always good to chat i find 

Thanks

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

50 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Interesting and I respect your insight in to this. I heard that Rudkin was behind all the confusion in the press with that did he didn't he get sacked and he made things very complicated with Pearson. There was certainly no love lost between Nigel and Rudkin.

I think Rudkin told Pearson, and the Shakey et al told Dorsett who leaked the story, so that's why it might seem like he was the one, but I think he was the messenger in this case.

[Clever Fox]

There's no doubting Susan Whelan's pedigree as CEO , She's definitely First Class. The problem is when it comes to Football she's no Karen Brady either.

I suspect Rudkin talked himself into the Job. given that he was around the place daily and probably offering advice to the un informed. While the likes of Walsh was probably away travelling checking out players and Pearson and Shakey were working with the players trying to save our season.