Are the really shock results

[foxaholic]

Lets face it apart from Man C Man U  Chelsea and to a lesser degree Arsenal the reserve teams of other premier and leading championship sides are always likely to get beaten it happens regularly. Without being churlish is it really amazing that Sutton  beat a side from Leeds academy . I would say it was a bigger shock they beat AFC Wimbledon . I maintain that Lincolns win at Burnley is the only genuine shock to date. Burnley played a side they could have fielded in the Premier league and wanted to win. Lets face it Claudio was right when he said we were under dogs. To compare that defeat  to  defeats against Wycombe  Harlow and Grimsby or even Hartlepool  is ridiculous. Spursplayed a strong side this afternoon and cruised home their reserves would probablly have lost

[Dr The Singh]

Really, being a man up, against a average league one team?

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

5 minutes ago, foxaholic said:

Lets face it apart from Man C Man U  Chelsea and to a lesser degree Arsenal the reserve teams of other premier and leading championship sides are always likely to get beaten it happens regularly. Without being churlish is it really amazing that Sutton  beat a side from Leeds academy . I would say it was a bigger shock they beat AFC Wimbledon . I maintain that Lincolns win at Burnley is the only genuine shock to date. Burnley played a side they could have fielded in the Premier league and wanted to win. Lets face it Claudio was right when he said we were under dogs. To compare that defeat  to  defeats against Wycombe  Harlow and Grimsby or even Hartlepool  is ridiculous. Spursplayed a strong side this afternoon and cruised home their reserves would probablly have lost

I think the bigger shock is watching Blackburn against United right now, they seem to be able to put more productive passes together than we have. United will definitely have had to put in more effort in the first 50 mins of this game than the either of the two games they played against us.

[shade]

16,000,000 musa

8,000,000 okazaki

13,000,000 mendy

5,000,000 amartey

3,500,000 gray

5,000,000 benalouane

8,000,000 kapustka

 

some of those are probably wrong, but yeah, you get the idea.

[foxaholic]

1 minute ago, Dr The Singh said:

Really, being a man up, against a average league one team?

How can 12 games undefeated  beaten  2 so called premier sides and in the play off position make them an average div 1 side

[Dr The Singh]

Ok above average, inform league one side, down to 10 men.  Statement is still the same

Just now, foxaholic said:

How can 12 games undefeated  beaten  2 so called premier sides and in the play off position make them an average div 1 side

 

[Harry - LCFC]

To a degree, yes. Millwall's win against Bournemouth was nothing special.

 

But our defeat definitely was. We were playing against ten men for 38 minutes with attackers who have started several times in the league.

[Fox92]

We lost to a League One side. We lost to a League One side who aren't even in the top 6. We lost to a League One side who had 10 men.

 

 

[thursday_next]

 

2 minutes ago, foxaholic said:

Lets face it apart from Man C Man U  Chelsea and to a lesser degree Arsenal the reserve teams of other premier and leading championship sides are always likely to get beaten it happens regularly. Without being churlish is it really amazing that Sutton  beat a side from Leeds academy . I would say it was a bigger shock they beat AFC Wimbledon . I maintain that Lincolns win at Burnley is the only genuine shock to date. Burnley played a side they could have fielded in the Premier league and wanted to win. Lets face it Claudio was right when he said we were under dogs. To compare that defeat  to  defeats against Wycombe  Harlow and Grimsby or even Hartlepool  is ridiculous. Spursplayed a strong side this afternoon and cruised home their reserves would probablly have lost

I hear all that, but the real reason people are disappointed at our exit is because they're becoming quite fond of our reserve team. Our first team, yeah, that would be par for the course, nobody would mind that.    

[Tuna]

These players train together all week and have plenty of time to work on shape and tactics. What was missing yesterday was desire and determination, nothing to do with the fact it was the reserves yesterday.

 

That team yesterday should have been capable of beating most championship sides let alone an average league one side to quote @Dr The Singh .

[Bob Weasel Fox]

15 minutes ago, Tuna said:

These players train together all week and have plenty of time to work on shape and tactics. What was missing yesterday was desire and determination, nothing to do with the fact it was the reserves yesterday.

 

That team yesterday should have been capable of beating most championship sides let alone an average league one side to quote @Dr The Singh .

Totally agree

[bovril]

It was but it wasn't. We should have easily beaten them but the way we're playing with our confidence so low, Millwall away was a no-hoper.

[ZeGuy]

1 hour ago, foxaholic said:

Lets face it apart from Man C Man U  Chelsea and to a lesser degree Arsenal the reserve teams of other premier and leading championship sides are always likely to get beaten it happens regularly. Without being churlish is it really amazing that Sutton  beat a side from Leeds academy . I would say it was a bigger shock they beat AFC Wimbledon . I maintain that Lincolns win at Burnley is the only genuine shock to date. Burnley played a side they could have fielded in the Premier league and wanted to win. Lets face it Claudio was right when he said we were under dogs. To compare that defeat  to  defeats against Wycombe  Harlow and Grimsby or even Hartlepool  is ridiculous. Spursplayed a strong side this afternoon and cruised home their reserves would probablly have lost

Bollox and unworthy of the actual England Champions. He should feel bad to even have said it. What a lack of ambition.

[st albans fox]

the question is 'how much preparation did we do for this tie'?

 

no one knows outside the players and backroom staff. I suspect much of the prep time last week was spent with the first team guys preparing for Seville.  The assumption being that the reserves should be good enough and if they aren't then we're not really bothered- it's their loss as most of them probably won't get another start this season. 

 

 

[shailen]

3 hours ago, shade said:

16,000,000 musa

8,000,000 okazaki

13,000,000 mendy

5,000,000 amartey

3,500,000 gray

5,000,000 benalouane

8,000,000 kapustka

 

some of those are probably wrong, but yeah, you get the idea.

We paid £5m for Benny ?

[NewEnglandFox]

When you define the context, you can convince yourself of anything. When you are comparing us to ourselves, us not scoring is not a surprise. Us conceding is also not a surprise. Us redefining rock bottom also isn't a surprise. None of those are shocking to me.

[Struwwelpeter60]

4 hours ago, Fox92 said:

We lost to a League One side. We lost to a League One side who aren't even in the top 6. We lost to a League One side who had 10 men.

 

"First rule of leadership, everything is your fault".

We lost to a League One side, that had eliminated Watford and Bournemouth, who both

are above us in the PL table. Does that mean, those two teams are also shit?

By the way, losing to a League One team in a cup competition also happened under

Pearson. Do you remember?

26.08.2014. At home.

0:1 to Shrewsbury. League Cup

They could/should have won by three.

We were abysmal.

Who's fault was that?

Pearson's?

[Struwwelpeter60]

5 hours ago, shade said:

16,000,000 musa

8,000,000 okazaki

13,000,000 mendy

5,000,000 amartey

3,500,000 gray

5,000,000 benalouane

8,000,000 kapustka

 

some of those are probably wrong, but yeah, you get the idea.

According to the Merc, we have, so far, paid only 2m for Kapustka.

I think, that is a good investment in our future. But he, like Gray,

Chilwell, Ndidi and Amartey need time to adapt and learn.

It's not their fault, that our recruitment people failed to bring in

some experienced players, who can deliver straight away.

[WigstonWanderer]

All very well to say that this was only the reserves, but most here were suggesting most of these for the first team anyway.

 

Who from the team that started would the experts of FT have disagreed with (before the match, not with hindsight).

 

Kasper for RRZ

Ndidi for King

Possibly Mahrez for Kapustka (though he actually did pretty well anyway)

Maybe Vardy in for either Musa or Okazaki

 

With the injuries we have, there really wasn't much to choose from.

 

[Old Fox]

3 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

All very well to say that this was only the reserves, but most here were suggesting most of these for the first team anyway.

 

Who from the team that started would the experts of FT have disagreed with (before the match, not with hindsight).

 

Kasper for RRZ

Ndidi for King

Possibly Mahrez for Kapustka (though he actually did pretty well anyway)

Maybe Vardy in for either Musa or Okazaki

 

With the injuries we have, there really wasn't much to choose from.

 

Your spot on if we were using the game to protect the first team (normal 11 anyway).....

 

But for me we should have used the game to try and play a few into some sort of form so I would have made Mahrez, Drinky, Simpson, Vardy play even at the expense of them not being available on Wednesday.

 

The substitutions were bloody barmy versus 10 men especially as the two sparks of creativity were taken off.

 

Dreading the football on Wednesday night although the day out will at least be warm!

[Fox92]

9 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

We lost to a League One side, that had eliminated Watford and Bournemouth, who both

are above us in the PL table. Does that mean, those two teams are also shit?

By the way, losing to a League One team in a cup competition also happened under

Pearson. Do you remember?

26.08.2014. At home.

0:1 to Shrewsbury. League Cup

They could/should have won by three.

We were abysmal.

Who's fault was that?

Pearson's?

What are you on about? 

 

He was asking whether it was a shock result,

[filbertway]

13 hours ago, st albans fox said:

the question is 'how much preparation did we do for this tie'?

 

no one knows outside the players and backroom staff. I suspect much of the prep time last week was spent with the first team guys preparing for Seville.  The assumption being that the reserves should be good enough and if they aren't then we're not really bothered- it's their loss as most of them probably won't get another start this season. 

I suspect you probably aren't far off.

What's your opinion on it. Seen you mention a few times that Claudio doesn't seem arsed which sounds about right. He sounds like he'd happily achieve nothing but 40pts. I honestly have no idea how last season's title win happened with him constantly reminding the players they shouldn't be in that position.

 

That game was harder to lose than win and has knocked the whole clubs confidence again. I find it genuinely fascinating that our owners or even he himself thinks that this could possibly end well.

I'm sure his post match interview on Wednesday will give some fans false hope that he will ring the changes and try something else, then rinse and repeat all season.

Hopefully the players step up soon and take matters into their own hands as they're getting little help from their gaffer at the minute.

[WigstonWanderer]

2 hours ago, Old Fox said:

Your spot on if we were using the game to protect the first team (normal 11 anyway).....

 

But for me we should have used the game to try and play a few into some sort of form so I would have made Mahrez, Drinky, Simpson, Vardy play even at the expense of them not being available on Wednesday.

 

The substitutions were bloody barmy versus 10 men especially as the two sparks of creativity were taken off.

 

Dreading the football on Wednesday night although the day out will at least be warm!

I wasn't talking about protecting the "first team". Prior to this match a common theme here was that the whole back four should be dropped, along with Drinkwater, Vardy and maybe Mahrez.

 

With those stipulations, coupled with injuries to Slimani and Ulloa (?), you pretty much end up with the starting lineup apart from Ndidi & Kasper.

 

Just saying that people can't have it both ways, I.e. Demand changes and then complain about them.

[Gerard]

14 hours ago, st albans fox said:

the question is 'how much preparation did we do for this tie'?

 

no one knows outside the players and backroom staff. I suspect much of the prep time last week was spent with the first team guys preparing for Seville.  The assumption being that the reserves should be good enough and if they aren't then we're not really bothered- it's their loss as most of them probably won't get another start this season. 

 

 

 

Surely after the Swansea match Ranieri had a very good idea on who was playing against Millwall and who was playing against Sevilla and prepared both teams accordingly?

 

Or am I overestimating our organisation? 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

 

Surely after the Swansea match Ranieri had a very good idea on who was playing against Millwall and who was playing against Sevilla and prepared both teams accordingly?

 

Or am I overestimating our organisation? 

You may be under estimating the time it takes for professional footballers to take in the amount of tactical info they need for a game like Seville away 

 

last year we had a weeks run at nearly every league game and it showed - this year it seems either the players can't be arsed to take the info in or the staff aren't providing the level of insight they did last season