Kaewbudda Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 5 minutes ago, ktfox59 said: Personally no. Against Liverpool, yes maybe that new manager thing might spur us on, but let's not forget, throughout the last few years he has been the link between manager and players. It's hard to manage anyone you are friends with over a period of time. Maybe that's why Sir Alex was so successful. He was nobody's friend within the squad. Purely the boss. I don't think Shakey commands the same respect. The term that he's liked among the players doesn't sit well with me, when you're scrapping for your survival Yeah, you're probably right. Unless we win 5-0.
STUHILL Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 15 minutes ago, stuw said: No we need a high profile manager if we stay up so we can hopefully dump the Morgans of this team and attract decent players good players imo are attracted to high profile coaches mancini hopefully for me also in my view he will have to much affiliation with our old guard and won't risk anything new A new coach with a new perspective wouldn't be afraid to dump Morgan and cl if they can forge an alternative Shakespeare I think would stick with Ranieri's formulae of sticking with last yrs players regardless of results time wil tell I guess but new blood needed in coaching for me My concern too. Think only change we will see Monday, is Gray for Musa. Same back 4 though, whereas I think any new manager will take a look at some of the match DVDs of this season and drop the back 4 straight away! Mancini would be a great long-term appointment I think. Like you said, a high profile manager with real pedigree and contacts in the game and a lot of passion. Hiddink I think is more realistic and a decent short-term appointment though. Have a feeling Mancini will rule himself out shortly, along with O'Neill
lcfcbaby Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 2 hours ago, STUHILL said: I feel so dirty even thinking about Pearson coming back here! I do see why some are keen to have him back. I mean he is off his rocker and a prickly nobhead, but he knows the players and the club so well and if anyone could get us playing with some energy and desire again, then it's him... but.. Pearson?!! Surely not. I don't think the owners would want to go back there and I doubt he would even want to come back and work for the owners who sacked him in the way they did. Hiddink or Mancini for me or a very unrealistic O'Neill The owners aren't wired like fans. They think business. If Pearson gives us the best shot of staying up, they'd consider it. He wouldn't be long term. He'd be there to do a particular job.
ktfox59 Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Problem also tbh is what manager worth their salt is going to come here with a kind of 13 match audition, see how it goes and re think it over at the end of the season contract. The only person that would be suitable for is Shakespeare. Mancini or Hiddink wouldnt want to manage in he championship if it all went Pete Tong. So I really do think you are choosing between Pardue, or Hodgson in that respect. Out of work managers who would love to prove themselves again in the premier
STUHILL Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 1 minute ago, lcfcbaby said: The owners aren't wired like fans. They think business. If Pearson gives us the best shot of staying up, they'd consider it. He wouldn't be long term. He'd be there to do a particular job. Possibly right. I just don't personally think they would go back to a guy they sacked due to how it all ended and also don't think Pearson would welcome a move back to work for people who sacked him under such controversy. Obviously, we don't know the full story, but seems to be a disagreement over the treatment of his son, so whether Pearson now admits that they were right to sack his son etc, or the owners have been able to look past the way Pearson behaved, then maybe there could be a way back for him. I think it would be a perfect appointment for the players, as he was obviously a popular manager with them, but just think the owners will try other options before the consider that route again. Owners seem to like a big name, so can imagine they are pushing hard for Mancini, Hiddink etc
lcfcbaby Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Just now, STUHILL said: Possibly right. I just don't personally think they would go back to a guy they sacked due to how it all ended and also don't think Pearson would welcome a move back to work for people who sacked him under such controversy. Obviously, we don't know the full story, but seems to be a disagreement over the treatment of his son, so whether Pearson now admits that they were right to sack his son etc, or the owners have been able to look past the way Pearson behaved, then maybe there could be a way back for him. I think it would be a perfect appointment for the players, as he was obviously a popular manager with them, but just think the owners will try other options before the consider that route again. Owners seem to like a big name, so can imagine they are pushing hard for Mancini, Hiddink etc I can't see Pearson wanting to come back so I agree with you in that sense. But I wonder what kind of options they are weighing up. Whether they're primarily thinking 'let's get through this scrap and think long term plan in the summer' or 'we want someone who can rebuild with us now to carry us through'. Either way this is an unattractive job prospect and most decent managers wouldn't take the risk. I think their choices will be rather narrowed by this.
ktfox59 Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 1 minute ago, ktfox59 said: Problem also tbh is what manager worth their salt is going to come here with a kind of 13 match audition, see how it goes and re think it over at the end of the season contract. The only person that would be suitable for is Shakespeare. Mancini or Hiddink wouldnt want to manage in he championship if it all went Pete Tong. So I really do think you are choosing between Pardue, or Hodgson in that respect. Out of work managers who would love to prove themselves again in the premier Tbh I think the new manager is already sorted. It's like the Ranieri body is still warm. Hardly the time to be rushing to phone the life insurance people. Leaving it to what's seen as a decency timing
STUHILL Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 3 minutes ago, ktfox59 said: Problem also tbh is what manager worth their salt is going to come here with a kind of 13 match audition, see how it goes and re think it over at the end of the season contract. The only person that would be suitable for is Shakespeare. Mancini or Hiddink wouldnt want to manage in he championship if it all went Pete Tong. So I really do think you are choosing between Pardue, or Hodgson in that respect. Out of work managers who would love to prove themselves again in the premier Think this will be true of Mancini, but Hiddink at 70, and with him doing similar interim jobs for Chelsea etc, might be interested to do a 13 game and a Champions League game stint, then we look for long-term option in the Summer. I worry that Shakespeare could be more of the same. I think a clean slate and manager with fresh ideas and personality could be our only chance now to get a big reaction from the players.
STUHILL Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 3 minutes ago, lcfcbaby said: I can't see Pearson wanting to come back so I agree with you in that sense. But I wonder what kind of options they are weighing up. Whether they're primarily thinking 'let's get through this scrap and think long term plan in the summer' or 'we want someone who can rebuild with us now to carry us through'. Either way this is an unattractive job prospect and most decent managers wouldn't take the risk. I think their choices will be rather narrowed by this. When they appointed Claudio, they wanted his assurances he would stay if we got relegated, so maybe they will be pushing for someone who will also agree to that, which I imagine would potentially rule out Hiddink and Mancini. We may end up having to take a punt on someone like Rowett or Wagner, because we simply can't get the bigger names we want. I think Shakespeare will be given Liverpool to audition for the job and that's it. I just hope it is sorted soon.
Sooper Steve's shin Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 If Shakey manages to get us four points from Liverpool and Hull, I could see the owners keeping him on to give it a proper assessment in the summer. No point rushing an appointment with whoever's available now if we are able to stay up, which is surely (and sadly) the only goal for this season. That said, it would need a tremendous improvement in spirit and performance from the players who have shown precious little since last summer (but they are also the players who won us the league so it should not be beyond them).
CyprusFox Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Just checked oddschecker and Pearson now hot favourite with most bookies with the rest drifting.
Lcfcwigstonblue Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Wagner from Huddersfield for me stop with all these big names and get someone who is improving as a manager.
erlee Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Neil lennon, Fat Sam, Pardew [X] [X] [X] no no no
Guest ttfn Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 The idea that Shakespeare should be given until the end of the season is plain daft. There's way too much at stake here to give a managerial novice a 13 game stretch at managing the club. People will say "he knows the players" but everything we've seen and read over the past few weeks and months suggests that the cosiness and comfort of the players is a huge part of the problem. He also has to be massively tainted by what's happened this season - if we're going to give Claudio the heave ho and replace him with somebody who by his own admission has been working just as closely with Ranieri this year as the year before that just doesn't make sense. Whatever happened to collective responsibility? Give him the Liverpool game and, if absolutely necessary, the Hull game. But even if he walks off with 2 wins from 2 the owners have to take a pragmatic approach and get an experienced head in to lead the coaching staff until the end of the season.
M0901 Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Hiddink for me. V good manager and even if it's an interim position he'll get the best out of his players.
funkyrobot Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 How anyone in their right mind could even consider Pardew or Hodgson I don't know.
HybridFox Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Just now, funkyrobot said: How anyone in their right mind could even consider Pardew or Hodgson I don't know. I'd back any manager at the club but would honestly choke on humble pie trying to get behind any of these two. The thought alone of having them in charge is disturbing...
Crinklyfox Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 Whoever comes in will have to earn the respect of the players if he is to get the best out of them. I believe that applies to management of people in any sector. I expect that this would be more forthcoming for a manager with an established reputation than for a newer face. I like the idea of Hiddink for a short term contract. I'm retired myself but do the odd short term contract, it's nice to go into an organisation for a few weeks, help to sort out specific issues they have, then step away. For me that's better than committing myself to the daily grind on a permanent basis. As he is also of retirement age a short term contract may also appeal to Hiddink and he comes with an established reputation.
Marutimon Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 6 hours ago, STUHILL said: Think only change we will see Monday, is Gray for Musa. Same back 4 though, whereas I think any new manager will take a look at some of the match DVDs of this season and drop the back 4 straight away! The back four would be raped for pace and quickness by Sadio Mane. Quicker feet are needed there. Amartey would be my best bet.
Thracian Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 6 hours ago, stuw said: No we need a high profile manager if we stay up so we can hopefully dump the Morgans of this team and attract decent players good players imo are attracted to high profile coaches mancini hopefully for me also in my view he will have to much affiliation with our old guard and won't risk anything new A new coach with a new perspective wouldn't be afraid to dump Morgan and cl if they can forge an alternative Shakespeare I think would stick with Ranieri's formulae of sticking with last yrs players regardless of results time wil tell I guess but new blood needed in coaching for me One of the problems situation is that there aren't many good managerial options out there for our situation. The good managers are mostly chasing achievements at their current clubs. Furthermore, while people flippantly talk about dropping proven achievers the difficulty remains of having no-one of great calibre to put in their places and the fact that the last thing we need right now is further upheaval. My hope with Shakespeare is that his interim appointment will see last year's players performing at their utmost once again but I'm not at all sure that will be the case because we don't have last season's personnel anymore and I don't think we can match last season's capability with the choices we have now. On top of that is the anti-climax factor. Having won the title and blown everything but our Champions League run this season I'm not convinced last year's players will, or can, simply turn on the gas and become brilliant again. I just hope they can. Having Ulloa and Slimani back will be a plus for all the unfounded criticism of Ulloa but, of our close-season signings I only see N'Didi so far as being genuinely worthy of our squad so anything more that Shakespeare can squeeze out of them will be a bonus. Musa's the one that really gets me. With his turn of pace we need to create some space for him so he stretches defences and creates holes for others to exploit. Trouble is he's as much a liability as an asset because his close control and passing are so erratic. But that's no different to Schlupp and he made a difference at times. And Musa arguably has greater finishing ability so, surely, there's some mileage to be had from the guy despite him being so utterly frustrating and, unlike Schlupp, so easily knocked off the ball. I don't anticipate lots of changes tomorrow. We just don't have the realistic options we should have and that's down to Ranieri however many kind words are written about the guy.
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 In no particular order, these are the managers on the odds who stand out for me: Shakespeare Rowett Monk Wagner Di Matteo
norwichfox Posted 26 February 2017 Posted 26 February 2017 12 hours ago, Tuna said: Pearson rumours appearing all over the place! Of course they are most of the rubbish that gets published is from their "journalists" sitting at home reading FT.....
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