Vlad the Fox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 1 hour ago, Tuna said: Brilliant, love the way his can of lager goes flying when he's tackled! Yeah, he's let himself down there, if he was a proper bloke he'd have come out of that entanglement without spelling a drop. 1
Vlad the Fox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 The offside laws are tragic at the moment. The defenders in a tricky position, to leave the ball he's got to be sure the flags going to go up, if it doesn't then he's at fault for not clearing it. For me Kane is interfering as he's forcing Lovren into a decision. Theres also a risk of injury as well, what if there was another defender closer to kane who then in desperation to clear the ball lunges and brakes kanes ankle or injures himself? All because of a poorly thought out rule. It needs changing.
FrankieADZ Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 (edited) on that Spurs 2nd penalty it was a penalty tbh and credit to the linesman for giving it...even though there was an offside in the build up heres the linesman/touchline view of it looks pretty nailed on from this view Edited 5 February 2018 by FrankieADZ 2
Stan Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 11 hours ago, Dan LCFC said: The first isn't a penalty for me and the second is. I've seen the second from another angle and it looks a penalty, even if it is hugely exaggerated contact. The first I just cannot see how that isn't offside. The second one is a definite penalty. Watch the video carefully and you will see that Van Dijk's pretty wild kick catches Lamela's calf before any contact from his knee.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 I was wrong about the second penalty, from certain angles it looked soft as shit, but the Lino got a great view and it was a good call by him.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 3 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said: I don't know whether this is a better argument for implementing VAR, or for just stripping Jon Moss of his responsibilities 1
st albans fox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 So how long have fourth officials been giving refs advice based on tv replays ?? no wonder they are getting most of the big calls right !!!
KFS Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 How is it possible that Jon Moss is in the job he's in? What a fvcking big girls blouse
kushiro Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 West Ham game, April 2016. I was always more annoyed about the Morgan decision than the Vardy decision. You know - the 'push' that he gave a penalty for. Seemed very much like he was just guessing. In that transcript from yesterday it's weird that the linesman is speaking as if he's the authority figure and Moss the subordinate. There's that phrase about managers, isn't there - 'they've lost the dressing room'. Maybe Moss has lost not just the fans', but also his colleagues' respect.
ARTY_FOX Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 9 minutes ago, kushiro said: West Ham game, April 2016. I was always more annoyed about the Morgan decision than the Vardy decision. You know - the 'push' that he gave a penalty for. Seemed very much like he was just guessing. In that transcript from yesterday it's weird that the linesman is speaking as if he's the authority figure and Moss the subordinate. There's that phrase about managers, isn't there - 'they've lost the dressing room'. Maybe Moss has lost not just the fans', but also his colleagues' respect. Well the kid that came down to referee an u11's game yesterday had a better game than John moss has ever had so.
shen Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: So how long have fourth officials been giving refs advice based on tv replays ?? no wonder they are getting most of the big calls right !!! Makes no sense to me how he called Martin Atkinson about "TV" only to immediately give the penalty anyway. Surely, if Atkinson had a view of TV replays people around him would notice so I'm not buying it. Despite the right decision for the second penalty, the first penalty call is awful. I do not understand why Kane is not offside as the ball is obviously being played to him. Surely the linesman's interpretation is wrong given Kane is offside as the pass is played. How Moss then doesn't see either Wijnaldum or Lovren touching it despite looking straight at the ball from a perfect angle AND DESPITE THIS gives the penalty anyway just proves black on white how unfit he is as a referee. 1
st albans fox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 1 minute ago, shen said: Makes no sense to me how he called Martin Atkinson about "TV" only to immediately give the penalty anyway. Surely, if Atkinson had a view of TV replays people around him would notice so I'm not buying it. Despite the right decision for the second penalty, the first penalty call is awful. I do not understand why Kane is not offside as the ball is obviously being played to him. Surely the linesman's interpretation is wrong given Kane is offside as the pass is played. How Moss then doesn't see either Wijnaldum or Lovren touching it despite looking straight at the ball from a perfect angle AND DESPITE THIS gives the penalty anyway just proves black on white how unfit he is as a referee. Atkinson is probably telling him lovren played it as he is asking him so it’s not far fetched. The offside law is bonkers and will only get worse with VAR re the spirit of the law imo .......
shen Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Atkinson is probably telling him lovren played it as he is asking him so it’s not far fetched. The offside law is bonkers and will only get worse with VAR re the spirit of the law imo ....... Judging from the video, Moss gives the penalty so quickly after asking Atkinson that the latter would not have had time to answer. Maybe Atkinson was speaking in his ear as Moss was asking the question, but I still don't understand how Atkinson keeping check with TV is not noticed by anyone. Are people suggesting that a "fifth official" is watching on TV and reporting to Atkinson? It would have to be some VAR-like arrangement because how would he be able to review it so quickly? Edited 5 February 2018 by shen
ZeGuy Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Stan said: The second one is a definite Penalty. Watch the video carefully and you will see that Van Dijk's pretty wild kick catches Lamela's calf before any contact from his knee. It's not. Van Dijk tries to reach the ball. His eyes are constantly on it. He's late but as soon as Lamela buts in, he draws his leg back and barely touches him. Then Lamela who falls down as if he was shot by an MG. Yeah, no. Forget it. Just seen the replay under another angle, it's a clear pen. Edited 5 February 2018 by ZeGuy
Nalis Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Fed up of the media love in for Klopp / Liverpool, glad they got screwed over for the first penalty as its about time they had some decisions go against them.
shen Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 1 minute ago, Nalis said: Fed up of the media love in for Klopp / Liverpool, glad they got screwed over for the first penalty as its about time they had some decisions go against them. Don't see the logic in this post. Surely you just want justice and not inconsistency from officials. Don't care if it's Liverpool, Spurs, us, Watford or Cheltenham Town. But as much as the second penalty was correct, not enough is being made of Lamela's and Kane's dramatic falls or Alli's hilariously poor attempt at a dive that rightly got him booked and looking red-faced. Ban the cheat, clamp down. What is the "anti-diving panel" there for if no action is being taken here? 2
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Kane's is a dive, Lamela's is a dive. Just because there was contact of sorts doesnt make them fouls. They exaggerated massively and thats that. Thats how the game works these days and we need to be honest about it I just hate the double standards. Vardy would have got absolutely panned for both of those without question 2
Fox92 Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 2 hours ago, TheUltimateWinner said: Impressed with the linesman.
Fox92 Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 21 minutes ago, shen said: Don't see the logic in this post. Surely you just want justice and not inconsistency from officials. Don't care if it's Liverpool, Spurs, us, Watford or Cheltenham Town. But as much as the second penalty was correct, not enough is being made of Lamela's and Kane's dramatic falls or Alli's hilariously poor attempt at a dive that rightly got him booked and looking red-faced. Ban the cheat, clamp down. What is the "anti-diving panel" there for if no action is being taken here? I don't know what the anti-dive panel look at. Everytime I see Spurs, Alli dives. And commentry refuse to accept it, there's never any word of it. Is it because he's English? 1
NZ_Foxile Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 2 hours ago, TheUltimateWinner said: And in the next breath after saying he has no idea whether Lovren touched the ball, Moss says “I’m giving a penalty”. Shows the arrogance of the man. Determined he was going to give a penalty no matter what
shen Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 2 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Kane's is a dive, Lamela's is a dive. Just because there was contact of sorts doesnt make them fouls. They exaggerated massively and thats that. Thats how the game works these days and we need to be honest about it I just hate the double standards. Vardy would have got absolutely panned for both of those without question Lamela goes down like he's shot, but Van Dijk does kick wildly at him. It's a foul anywhere else on the pitch, even if it was accidental. Karius came out and didn't get the ball. In his post-match interview he basically admits between the lines that he caught Kane. Both of them are fouls, possibly soft-ish, but it's the exaggeration which is ridiculous. All the Spurs players were looking for it and that's the aggravating part, particularly epitomised by Alli's pathetic antics.
Footballwipe Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 (edited) Hahaha as if the above post think Lamela's was a dive. Ok mate. My only theory on why Moss gave the pen after asking Atkinson was that he realised TV shouldn't influence decisions at the moment? No idea why he said it in the case but still, the only explanation I can come up with. As aggrieved as Klopp it's fantastic cover for what was a dreadful second half performance from Liverpool. Spurs upped the game massively and Liverpool just couldn't cope. And even if you do go 2-1 up in the 90th minute, you should be able to see the game out without your defender flailing his leg and walloping someone in the box for a second penalty. Edited 5 February 2018 by Footballwipe
shen Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 1 minute ago, Footballwipe said: Hahaha as if the above post think Lamela's was a dive. Ok mate. My only theory on why Moss gave the pen after asking Atkinson was that he realised TV shouldn't influence decisions at the moment? No idea why he said it in the case but still, the only explanation I can come up with. As aggrieved as Klopp is it's fantastic cover for what was a dreadful second half performance from Liverpool. Spurs upped the game massively and Liverpool just couldn't cope. And even if you do go 2-1 up in the 90th minute, you should be able to see the game out without your defender flailing his leg and walloping someone in the box for a second penalty. Very much so. It was interesting how little attention was given to Liverpool completely and utterly abandoning initiative in that second-half. The pressure from Spurs leading to Wanyama's goal was relentless for a good 10-15 minutes and as you point out the defending after they regained the lead was substandard.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 3 minutes ago, Footballwipe said: Hahaha as if the above post think Lamela's was a dive. Ok mate. My only theory on why Moss gave the pen after asking Atkinson was that he realised TV shouldn't influence decisions at the moment? No idea why he said it in the case but still, the only explanation I can come up with. As aggrieved as Klopp is it's fantastic cover for what was a dreadful second half performance from Liverpool. Spurs upped the game massively and Liverpool just couldn't cope. And even if you do go 2-1 up in the 90th minute, you should be able to see the game out without your defender flailing his leg and walloping someone in the box for a second penalty. There is a camera angle showing that he wasnt touched. Nothing happened to warrant the manner in which he went down.
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