iamafox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 At least Moss isn't one of the World Cup referees this year
Yes N'Didi Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, shen said: How do you come to the conclusion that the first penalty was a correct decision? Kane is offside as the ball is played towards him and Kane is playing the ball, hence it's a clear decision, regardless of how many Liverpool players touch or deliberately play the ball. You don't wait to see if the opposition does something before blowing the whistle, surely? Because whilst he is in an offside position, he cannot be penalised for an offence as he is not interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team mate, nor interfering with an opponent by preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the LK by clearly obstructing the opponents line of vision, challenging the opponent for the ball, attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action clearly impacts on the opponents ability to play the ball. A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball is not considered to have gained an advantage. Harry Kane is certainly in an offside position - however he is not considered to have gained an advantage as he has received the ball from an opponent who deliberately played the ball. It doesn't matter that it was scuffed. It doesn't matter that Kane was there which meant the defender had to make the call to clear it or not. The defender deliverately played the ball (albeit not very well). As Kane has not gained any of the advantages listed above, he has not commited an offence. Whoever he dived is another question, but the call the linesman made on whether Kane was offside was undoubtedly correct (even if it was a guess as to whether Lovren touched the ball). Edit - confirmed by PMGOL PGMOL said Moss was right to give the spot-kick - which was missed - and was correct in recognising that Kane was not offside because Liverpool defender Dejan Lovren had deliberately played the ball in the run-up to the incident. Edited 5 February 2018 by Yes N'Didi
Matt Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 29 minutes ago, iamafox said: At least Moss isn't one of the World Cup referees this year On that note there are no referees from the Premier League or England going to the World Cup...says alot about 'the best league in the world' doesn't it.
FoxesDeb Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Just switched MNF on, and fvck me I've got to listen to two Scouse cvnts tonight
shen Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 17 minutes ago, Yes N'Didi said: Because whilst he is in an offside position, he cannot be penalised for an offence as he is not interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team mate, nor interfering with an opponent by preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the LK by clearly obstructing the opponents line of vision, challenging the opponent for the ball, attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action clearly impacts on the opponents ability to play the ball. A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball is not considered to have gained an advantage. Harry Kane is certainly in an offside position - however he is not considered to have gained an advantage as he has received the ball from an opponent who deliberately played the ball. It doesn't matter that it was scuffed. It doesn't matter that Kane was there which meant the defender had to make the call to clear it or not. The defender deliverately played the ball (albeit not very well). As Kane has not gained any of the advantages listed above, he has not commited an offence. Whoever he dived is another question, but the call the linesman made on whether Kane was offside was undoubtedly correct (even if it was a guess as to whether Lovren touched the ball). Edit - confirmed by PMGOL PGMOL said Moss was right to give the spot-kick - which was missed - and was correct in recognising that Kane was not offside because Liverpool defender Dejan Lovren had deliberately played the ball in the run-up to the incident. Then @Donut is right, the rules are too ambiguous. If a ball is played over the top and Vardy is offside and chasing the ball, the ref will blow the whistle before Vardy gets to touch the ball. You will never see the play continue. If a defender is chasing the ball as well in the above case, maybe even intercepting the ball before Vardy, but losing possession to Vardy subsequently, Vardy should not be deemed offside according to the rules, but you will never see this. I don't understand how Kane was not deemed offside as the pass played was intended for him, or at the very least, played in his direction. The defender acts on it because Kane is there, so surely he interferes with play by "attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action clearly impacts on the opponents ability to play the ball". Kane obviously gained an advantage as he distracted Lovren who had to act, because leaving it would have allowed Alli (?), who was onside, to run through. Kane was anticipating the ball, so how can it be deemed he wasn't attempting to play it? 1
AjcW Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Pleased to hear Wayne giving some actual opinions. Even on the England/Spurs players and calling out Liverpool’s weakness in midfield and defence (England players in there) Thought it might be another England/Spurs wankfest but I guess he can be more honest now he’s retired
fuchsntf Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 3 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: Just switched MNF on, and fvck me I've got to listen to two Scouse cvnts tonight What so you get If you Cross a scouse with a cvnt,... A jacked-up pussy..!!! Or a granny, with a well known Evertonian.
yorkie1999 Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 So all a player has to do now is pass to someone in an offside position and hope the defender goes for the ball and if it bounces off his knee the striker is deemed to be not offside. What a load of rubbish. Lovren didn't exactly play the ball back to the goalie did he. What next, defenders having to face their own goal so they can see if a strikers lurking behind them.
RowlattsFox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Have sky handed out individual microphones to Chelsea fans? Seem unusually loud so far. Chelsea look ordinary at the minute.
Suzie the Fox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Chelsea playing bloody awful, mind you can't see where a goal is going to come from Watford.
jammie82uk Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: How much did Bakayoko cost again? Paying anything was far to much Edit: just googled it out of curiosity £39.8 million plus add-ons Edited 5 February 2018 by jammie82uk 1
Guest Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Watching N'golo and I prefer Ndidi. Didn't think I'd say that so soon.
RowlattsFox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 sums up his half hour. Harsh second yellow for me.
Suzie the Fox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 4 minutes ago, jammie82uk said: Paying anything was far to much Good Bye Bakayoko... could see that one coming
foxes_rule1978 Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 5 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: How much did Bakayoko cost again? I’m surprised they paid anything, he doesn’t even look like a footballer... looks way out of his depth
Fox92 Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 5 minutes ago, jammie82uk said: Paying anything was far to much Many decent young players who don't have a chance because they just buy players, and some shite too.
Yes N'Didi Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 1 hour ago, shen said: The defender acts on it because Kane is there, so surely he interferes with play by "attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action clearly impacts on the opponents ability to play the ball". I get what you mean. But in the letter of the law this doesn't apply, as Lovren's ability to play the pall isn't impacted by Kane attempting to play the ball - this comes after. If someone was in front of Lovren, tried to play the ball but didnt, and it affected whether Lovren was able to play it or not, this would count under this rule, but Kanes attempts to play a ball come after Lovrens deliberate attempt to play the ball. Again, agree that the rules should be revieed, but under the current rules of the game, Kane was not committing an offence. 1
KingsX Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 1 minute ago, foxes_rule1978 said: I’m surprised they paid anything, he doesn’t even look like a footballer... looks way out of his depth They don't have much of an eye for value in midfielders, do they?
Vacamion Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 As amusing as that is, the ref was aching to send him off and it's a bad decision. 1
RowlattsFox Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 Imagine getting a red card for those 2 challenges. Not every foul needs to be a yellow.
AjcW Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 He’s been useless all season and abysmal today. They’ll probably do better without him!
gurru991 Posted 5 February 2018 Posted 5 February 2018 1 minute ago, RowlattsFox said: sums up his half hour. Harsh second yellow for me. I agree but he was on a yellow & needs to play accordingly .. Not too bright
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