Shakespeare future decided next week - Percy

[Redouane]

6 minutes ago, M0901 said:

Why are people slaying Shakey on one game? If that was the case no manager would last in any team.

 

He's come in and done a very good job. The players love him and he's got very good results. Our form is top 4 worthy, give him a summer to rebuild and we'll go again next season.

I have been disagreeing with his tactical decisions for the past few games. Versus man city, Fuchs as a CB didn't work out, so why the hell does he play him again? Why doesn't he just get Amartey who is more physical and has more experience as a CB (from the NT)

 

It feels like he's playing last seasons formation no matter what. Its not going to wok every time, we need a manager who's going to be able to adapt. 

 

I'm now convinced that Shakespeare had success initially because there was a bit of a surprise factor, I don't think we would've been in a better situation than Ranieri had he started the season.

 

 

 

 

[Happy Fox]

We don't have the coaching structure in place to allow Shakespeare to be a manager, he needs proper backroom staff, Stowell is a GK coach and an average one at that! and that is his only support.

 

The owners know what is required, you have to give Shakespeare the tools so he can be successful, unless the owners are not convinced that Shakespeare is the man, he has done a good job under the circumstances, and you would hope he will stay on in a capacity.

 

It's going to be an interesting summer thats's for sure.

 

 

[The Doctor]

Substitutions were insane tonight, hard to count given so many players didn't seem to have a position but I reckon only 4 players (Schmeichel, Slimani, Albrighton, Ndidi) finished in their natural positions? (Wouldn't consider Mahrez a #10 - struggles too much with congested areas; nor Musa a centre forward). Lack of options due to injuries is a mitigating factor, but he didn't really need to take off the one recognised CB we had on for another winger did he?

 

Still got more right than wrong so far - just hoping this will be more his Ranieri v Arsenal moment (watershed, changing the team to tighten it as a unit) rather than the beginning of a Kelly-esque unravelling.

[brucey]

 

[foxfanazer]

He had one remit when he took this job and that was to keep us up. He's achieved that comfortably in the end and there have been signs that he could be the right man for the job. If we can find better then so be it, I trust the owners to make the right choice.

 

Tonight has pissed me off so bad but you can't make such a huge judgement based on one torrid result. There's a few snakes in that dressing room 

[brucey]

2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

There's a few snakes in that dressing room 

You can't be serious.....

[themightyfin]

Really hope he doesn't get the job because nobody deserves to be turned upon by the "Fans" after one bad result. With a team that was not his and plagued by injuries.

 

The guy saved a sinking ship and turned things around and saved us from what would have been a certain relegation.

That would have been devastating for the club after what we achieved last season.

 

Reading some of the views from so called fans here personally I wouldn't blame him if he stuck 2 fingers up to us and walked away.

 

Some of our fans are embarrassing.

 

 

 

 

 

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, brucey said:

You can't be serious.....

OK maybe snakes was the wrong word to use but there's a few that don't give a shit about paying for us anymore

[HankMarvin]

makes u wonder the scoreline if CR was still in charge, this was the players giving 100 percent to guarantee the mangers future they wanted

[foxfanazer]

I'm juts glad West Ham beat them so they can't win the title. Imagine that result tonight and then them winning the league 

[AmarteyAndChill]

Just get David Wagner in ffs 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

One thing I am suprised at... no one's started a poll yet!

[The Doctor]

10 minutes ago, brucey said:

 

Positive news that he recognises his tactics and changes after going behind are what did it. Whether he can learn the lessons that need to be learnt (don't go gung-ho the moment you go a goal down) and adapt to deal with those situations better is another question.

[weller54]

2 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Really hope he doesn't get the job because nobody deserves to be turned upon by the "Fans" after one bad result. With a team that was not his and plagued by injuries.

 

The guy saved a sinking ship and turned things around and saved us from what would have been a certain relegation.

That would have been devastating for the club after what we achieved last season.

 

Reading some of the views from so called fans here personally I wouldn't blame him if he stuck 2 fingers up to us and walked away.

 

Some of our fans are embarrassing.

 

 

 

 

 

A lot of the negative comments and sentiment are knee jerk reactions to,  let's be fair,  a complete embarrassment of a performance tonight against a team most Leicester fans hate with a passion especially after last season.. We weren't just soundly beaten we were made to look foolish and pathetic! 

The owner's will have had doubts put in their minds tonight after that I'm sure.. Shakey has to get a result on Sunday but with the player's at his disposal I don't think he will. 

I think it may cost him the crack at the full time job which is sad. 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

Positive news that he recognises his tactics and changes after going behind are what did it. Whether he can learn the lessons that need to be learnt (don't go gung-ho the moment you go a goal down) and adapt to deal with those situations better is another question.

 

His first change worked a bit - we were already getting mullered in midfield and from that, at the back, so going 3 at the back and having more in and around that midfield area and on the front foot worked for 10-15 minutes.

 

The third goal was a killer though... it deflated us and probably made Shakey feel like he had to do something else - and with Gray on the bench, you can see why he put him on. But playing one in midfield is never going to work!

[The Doctor]

Just now, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

His first change worked a bit - we were already getting mullered in midfield and from that, at the back, so going 3 at the back and having more in and around that midfield area and on the front foot worked for 10-15 minutes.

 

The third goal was a killer though... it deflated us and probably made Shakey feel like he had to do something else - and with Gray on the bench, you can see why he put him on. But playing one in midfield is never going to work!

Well yes, but tbf the going gung-ho isn't shuffling the formation - it's taking off the only recognised CB to throw on another winger, then maybe playing him at CM? (Couldn't quite work out what the formation was after then for the midfield).

[Guest Mee-9]

Anyone else preparing themselves for the worst romcom ever made? 

 

The Return of Pearson - a tale of thai hookers, strangling midfielders on the touchline and Ostriches. 

[Guest Lako42]

The changes were bad but certainly not the reason we got thumped.

 

It concerns me more that it will mean he becomes even more defensive.

 

All I hear is the 3rd goal killed us, no talk if why it was such a piece of piss for them to score those goals 

 

If that's the players backing him for manager then I wouldn't want to have them against me.

[The Doctor]

1 minute ago, Lako42 said:

The changes were bad but certainly not the reason we got thumped.

 

It concerns me more that it will mean he becomes even more defensive.

 

All I hear is the 3rd goal killed us, no talk if why it was such a piece of piss for them to score those goals 

 

If that's the players backing him for manager then I wouldn't want to have them against me.

The first three? or the three after where we'd just decided to see how many attackers we could fit in a side?

 

Going very defensive is a fair worry actually - Pearson did that after that 5-3 game vs Man Utd, depends how much tactical input Shakespeare had then.

[dylanlegend]

Forget tonight, it was a one-off. It was also largely own the fact that we failed to bring in decent defensive cover in the summer and in Jan. Even if Shakey gets the job it will be a fresh start. 

 

The one thing we DONT need is someone to come in and completely change things (like Sousa true to), we need a manager that plays to the strengths of the team. A huge overhaul is NOT needed, we won the premier league last season and unless we are going to spend 500million there is no point overhauling the playing squad. A few quality additions will be just fine.

 

We need to concentrate on progressively building a team rather than completely changing things. I think Shaky will give us and also keep us in the league comfortably next year, those saying he hasn't proved himself against big teams? Remember Liverpool, Remember Sevilla? Even Athletico. 

 

The one thing we do need however is an experienced assistant manager, to support Shakey. 

 

 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

13 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Positive news that he recognises his tactics and changes after going behind are what did it. Whether he can learn the lessons that need to be learnt (don't go gung-ho the moment you go a goal down) and adapt to deal with those situations better is another question.

That is a good point. It's difficult though to judge him at this stage. A good manager is always dependant on good number 2. Who is critical when things are going wrong. Maybe I am not giving Stowell credit here but in such situations, had Shakey had a more experienced, cultured assistant who would've said "hold on boss", it may have helped. 

 

Very difficult for me. We have seen three different managers in our three seasons back and while it's been a great ride, our success has been built on a period of consistency. Do we let Shakey bring in his staff and his players or do we "get rid" and start from scratch with been there and done that number. Silva, Wagner etc (I say them two as they seem to be the favourite candidates of some), have also made some tactical mishaps this year and got spanked. It happens.

 

For the record, I am torn between Shakey and Wagner - I wish I could sit down with the former and say, so what's your long term plans? 

[Dan]

59 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Just hope he still gets the job. One match doesn't reduce my trust in him. I think he'll clear out the rubbish and buy much better.

With you Col. He will know what needs fixing as much as anyone.

[Dan]

54 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

Was he really that bad? Everybody is talking about a massive tactical fvck-up.

He made the odd error but as daft as it sounds I'd rather lose 1-6 having gone for it than 0-3 having not.

 

We were very poor but I actually think we've played far worse this season. The Chelsea and Man Utd games were worse.

 

And for all I don't like them, Spurs were phenomenal. That's the best I've seen anyone play against us since we've come up.

[lcfcben76]

1 minute ago, Dan LCFC said:

He made the odd error but as daft as it sounds I'd rather lose 1-6 having gone for it than 0-3 having not.

 

We were very poor but I actually think we've played far worse this season. The Chelsea and Man Utd games were worse.

 

And for all I don't like them, Spurs were phenomenal. That's the best I've seen anyone play against us since we've come up.

Couldn't have put it any better

[BenTheFox]

I didn't come out of the ground thinking 'well Shakey isn't the man for the job', I came out thinking 'wow we need to seriously invest in the squad'. He made a mistake bringing Benalouane off, but really our squad when 3 or 4 key players are missing just isn't that good.