Shakespeare future decided next week - Percy

[Thracian]

I've not read everything but there's such OTT reaction after tonight.

 

What would happen tonight was entirely predictable,

 

We had several regulars out and what amounted to a revamped line-up against one of the top two footballing sides in the division, playing with maximum confidence on the sort of rain-sodden pitch that would always suit their passing and movement and all this bearing in mind that they are hard enough to beat with a full-strength side.

 

And what it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt to me was that anyone expecting our understudies to somehow come good for us is in dreamland.

 

Spurs cut through those understudies like a knife through sun-softened butter tonight and could have scored 10.

 

And any fans flying a flag for the likes of Gray, Musa and Amartey should nip along to specsavers.

 

And while they're doing that the other fans who've called or written off the likes of Morgan, Huth, Drinkwater, King, Ulloa and Shinji should hang their heads in shame because we were like kids out there at times tonight - but against a team which would have made a lot of opponents look ordinary, make no mistake.

 

If Amartey was an artist he'd have been an impressionist. Cos that's what he does. He gives the impression of working hard, of covering opponents, of being in the thick of things but, like McCavity, he's not there - at least not to get a foot in, close down closely and quickly, to dominate opponents, to launch quick, insisive counter attacks. In fact he has little urgency at all He just marks the space a couple of yards or more away from opponents who therefore find time and space to turn, to look and to cause havoc instead of their being denied the space to breath, let alone pass and shoot.

 

All the people who impressed me tonight made lots of mistakes the same as others. But they didn't hide or pretend. They faced up and too often took the blows that should have been shared by others. 

 

Chilwell was number one. That lad never copped out all night. He played his heart out and, good or bad, looked like a footballer in the making at every turn. 

 

I was so pleased he got the goal for all that I wondered if he'd ever finally shoot. As so often, he got forward, had the confidence to take people on and the coolness to think his chance through and when his shot went in I did wonder briefly if our second half pressing might cause the visitors to stumble, but no such luck. 

 

But, returning to Chilwell, he competed for everything and involved himself totally and really only got caught out with naive things like dribbling in risky situations and getting caught in possession, out of position or short of time and options.

 

But overall I had him our Man-of-the-match by the distance I had Mahrez as our worst contributor, which was a long way.

 

I say that because at least Amartey looked as though he was committed to the cause for all that he spent much of his night chasing always elusive shadows.

 

Benny was no better. The bloke was just second best all night - with Kane's four goals paying mocking testimony to the fact.

What Shakespeare would have learned was how quickly and how extensively he needs to rebuild and reorganise.

 

Because Spurs out-passed us, outfought us, outmanouvered us and overpowered with the contempt of  dinasaurs dismissing dog biscuits as a main meal. 

 

People like Gray and Musa came on with a chance to shine but like the weather, they were pretty miserable and disappointing. 

 

 

 

    

 

 

 

 

 

                   

[Beachyboy]

2 minutes ago, Thracian said:

I've not read everything but there's such OTT reaction after tonight.

 

What would happen tonight was entirely predictable,

 

We had several regulars out and what amounted to a revamped line-up against one of the top two footballing sides in the division, playing with maximum confidence on the sort of rain-sodden pitch that would always suit their passing and movement and all this bearing in mind that they are hard enough to beat with a full-strength side.

 

And what it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt to me was that anyone expecting our understudies to somehow come good for us is in dreamland.

 

Spurs cut through those understudies like a knife through sun-softened butter tonight and could have scored 10.

 

And any fans flying a flag for the likes of Gray, Musa and Amartey should nip along to specsavers.

 

And while they're doing that the other fans who've called or written off the likes of Morgan, Huth, Drinkwater, King, Ulloa and Shinji should hang their heads in shame because we were like kids out there at times tonight - but against a team which would have made a lot of opponents look ordinary, make no mistake.

 

If Amartey was an artist he'd have been an impressionist. Cos that's what he does. He gives the impression of working hard, of covering opponents, of being in the thick of things but, like McCavity, he's not there - at least not to get a foot in, close down closely and quickly, to dominate opponents, to launch quick, insisive counter attacks. In fact he has little urgency at all He just marks the space a couple of yards or more away from opponents who therefore find time and space to turn, to look and to cause havoc instead of their being denied the space to breath, let alone pass and shoot.

 

All the people who impressed me tonight made lots of mistakes the same as others. But they didn't hide or pretend. They faced up and too often took the blows that should have been shared by others. 

 

Chilwell was number one. That lad never copped out all night. He played his heart out and, good or bad, looked like a footballer in the making at every turn. 

 

I was so pleased he got the goal for all that I wondered if he'd ever finally shoot. As so often, he got forward, had the confidence to take people on and the coolness to think his chance through and when his shot went in I did wonder briefly if our second half pressing might cause the visitors to stumble, but no such luck. 

 

But, returning to Chilwell, he competed for everything and involved himself totally and really only got caught out with naive things like dribbling in risky situations and getting caught in possession, out of position or short of time and options.

 

But overall I had him our Man-of-the-match by the distance I had Mahrez as our worst contributor, which was a long way.

 

I say that because at least Amartey looked as though he was committed to the cause for all that he spent much of his night chasing always elusive shadows.

 

Benny was no better. The bloke was just second best all night - with Cane's four goals paying mocking testimony to the fact.

What Shakespeare would have learned was how quickly and how extensively he needs to rebuild and reorganise.

 

Because Spurs out-passed us, outfought us, outmanouvered us and overpowered with the contempt of  dinasaurs dismissing dog biscuits as a main meal. 

 

People like Gray and Musa came on with a chance to shine but like the weather, they were pretty miserable and disappointing. 

 

 

 

    

 

 

 

 

 

                   

Kane is spelt with a K, an Benny wasn't on the field for 2/4 of his goals, I think if Benny would of stayed on, the score would of ended more respectively, as soon as we didn't score the first goal asking from problems, but the squad is thin, last summer's dealings with nothing short of crazy even if Slim, Musa and Mendy had been successes the CB area seems woefully undercovered, as does CM.

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

That is a good point. It's difficult though to judge him at this stage. A good manager is always dependant on good number 2. Who is critical when things are going wrong. Maybe I am not giving Stowell credit here but in such situations, had Shakey had a more experienced, cultured assistant who would've said "hold on boss", it may have helped. 

 

Very difficult for me. We have seen three different managers in our three seasons back and while it's been a great ride, our success has been built on a period of consistency. Do we let Shakey bring in his staff and his players or do we "get rid" and start from scratch with been there and done that number. Silva, Wagner etc (I say them two as they seem to be the favourite candidates of some), have also made some tactical mishaps this year and got spanked. It happens.

 

For the record, I am torn between Shakey and Wagner - I wish I could sit down with the former and say, so what's your long term plans? 

[Beachyboy]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

 

While the results play apart. I still think that the overall decision needs to be based more on than just that. What's his philosophy, style of play, coaching techniques, youth team ideas, recruitment etc. If we base it just on results, it will be amateurish. If shakey ticks those boxes for the owners, tonight must written off. It's the bigger picture we need to look at. 

Brilliant like this intelligent, like our owners.

[Thracian]

5 hours ago, Beachyboy said:

Kane is spelt with a K, an Benny wasn't on the field for 2/4 of his goals, I think if Benny would of stayed on, the score would of ended more respectively, as soon as we didn't score the first goal asking from problems, but the squad is thin, last summer's dealings with nothing short of crazy even if Slim, Musa and Mendy had been successes the CB area seems woefully undercovered, as does CM.

 

Sorry, my facetiousness didn't play out in reality - either in relation to the "Caning" or the fact that we were so short of centre-backs Kane scored at will with second-choice Benny on, and then some more when, even as our only real option,  we took him off.

 

I actually felt quite sorry for Benny. He and Fuchs were left woefully exposed, not just by our limited resistance in central midfield but in the absence of Shinji later on and the defensive ineffectiveness of Mahrez which piled pressure on defenders constantly stretched beyond breaking point.

 

Shinji's withdrawal was as much key to Spurs' scoring at will towards the end - that and Leicester having no worthwhile option than to go for broke in trying to mend the scoreline - and no worthy alternative to Benny at the back and certainly not Amartey.

 

As ever, Shinji was frustrating as can be with his winning of the ball then constantly turning into trouble and falling over. But we still missed his iindustry and rritation value when he wasn't there.  

 

Once he was gone,  the weakness down Mahrez's flank was compounded by weakness down the middle which saw us collapse like a dam fractured by the weight of floodwater and, without the strength of Huth and Morgan, there was nothing to contain it.

 

All that said, Spurs were brilliant

They passed the ball so quickly from back to front and attacked with such imagination, and from so many angles, our players were just as much spectators as the fans in the stands at times.

 

 

   

 

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[roblcfc84]

So after a fantastic run of results since taking over we lose one match, against possibly the best footballing side in the league, which means nothing to either team - missing three key players including our two starting CBs - and fans are angry and don't think CS is right for the job. Crazy! He's done everything right since taking over and the names we are being linked with Gibson, Maguire for example seem both sensible and realistic. I remember Newcastle thrashing someone, could have been Spurs, on the last day after being relegated. I think some of our fans need to chill a little bit. 

[fazzyfox]

9 hours ago, lcfcsnow said:

Shakey made a comment on Sky post match, when asked if this harmed his chances for the job he said "have to ask the owners, but if we'd won I don't think it would have done my chances for the job any good either". No one has mentioned it here yet so wondered if there was anything to read into that, and if so, maybe led to the players downing tools tonight.

I read that the same way when I heard it, he could have just meant one result either way would be unlikely to affect the decision but there was a slight change of tone to his voice that perhaps suggests he has a strong belief that it's not going to be his job. Not sure about the players being aware, yes they gave up and weren't themselves but with a couple of liabilities in the line up they were on a hiding to nothing and did well to keep their composure with each other.

[Ric Flair]

Rodger Schmidt or give it Shakespeare

[weller54]

Owners will opt for an experienced Manager IMO.. Shakey won't get the job. 

[mozartfox]

We cannot blame Shakey for the all the obvious shortcomings of the squad and the current injury situation.  But I am concerned when I hear him say there will not be two many changes this window. That is worrying.  With the right recruitment in the needy areas, plus some fresh coaching assistance for him, then he could well make a good fist of the job.  But lets face it, we need a re-think on the under 23's and the Academy side of things too.

[Winsum]

The bloke is far too close to the players can you imagine United Players calling Sir Alex , Fergie.

He has done well in a caretaker capacity but lacks the qualities of a top class manager.

No room for sentiment here , if we want to move forward we need a new face at the helm

[David Hankey]

My guess is that Shakespeare isn't sleeping quite so easily after last night's woeful display. From his point of view the Bournemouth game on Sunday has become more significant not because of league placings but as he got what it takes to turn round the worst display I have seen by a Leicester City side since the dark days just before we were relegated to League One under Hollowords.

[Nick]

5 minutes ago, Winsum said:

The bloke is far too close to the players can you imagine United Players calling Sir Alex , Fergie.

He has done well in a caretaker capacity but lacks the qualities of a top class manager.

No room for sentiment here , if we want to move forward we need a new face at the helm

I'm coming round to this argument. Though not knowing the alternative candidates or their proposals isn't helping me decide one way or the other. There are lots of different management styles that can work but the matey one is a tad difficult when you have to say drop a player like Mahrez for a free games due to work ethic or attitude as it damages the foundations of the relationship. The one thing we need at the moment for our players is hungry and talented competition. They are so en'title'd if you excuse the pun, after their tile win is that they are untouchable. We need competition for Drinks, Mahrez, Simpson, Morgan and Huth, Shinji as only Vardy, Shinji and Kasper seem to perform and run their hearts out consistently. Competition for places is key.

[Callabinho]

8 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

I didn't come out of the ground thinking 'well Shakey isn't the man for the job', I came out thinking 'wow we need to seriously invest in the squad'. He made a mistake bringing Benalouane off, but really our squad when 3 or 4 key players are missing just isn't that good.

 

I don't think he did.....Benny was all over the place. I don't think we will see him again....

[Babylon]

8 hours ago, Beachyboy said:

Kane is spelt with a K, an Benny wasn't on the field for 2/4 of his goals, I think if Benny would of stayed on, the score would of ended more respectively, as soon as we didn't score the first goal asking from problems, but the squad is thin, last summer's dealings with nothing short of crazy even if Slim, Musa and Mendy had been successes the CB area seems woefully undercovered, as does CM.

Benny was absolute muck, so I'm not sure why people are so confident about a man he can't head and was getting our muscled all night would have made a lot of difference when everyone around him had given up as well.

[Babylon]

6 minutes ago, Callabinho said:

 

I don't think he did.....Benny was all over the place. I don't think we will see him again....

Absolute disgrace people were making him out to be better than Wes and Huth. They aren't perfect, but they don't get bullied.

[Moksky]

8 hours ago, Thracian said:

I've not read everything but there's such OTT reaction after tonight.

 

 

We got spanked 6-1 and it was utterly embarrasing. Its on OTT reaction, it was fxxking rubbish . If certain supporters can accept that then its up to them, I am not standing for it.

 

[danny.]

Just now, Moksky said:

We got spanked 6-1 and it was utterly embarrasing. Its on OTT reaction, it was fxxking rubbish . If certain supporters can accept that then its up to them, I am not standing for it.

 

I hope you pen a strongly worded [open] letter.

[Moksky]

Just now, danny. said:

I hope you pen a strongly worded [open] letter.

[Moksky]

2 hours ago, roblcfc84 said:

So after a fantastic run of results since taking over we lose one match, against possibly the best footballing side in the league, which means nothing to either team - missing three key players including our two starting CBs - and fans are angry and don't think CS is right for the job. Crazy! He's done everything right since taking over and the names we are being linked with Gibson, Maguire for example seem both sensible and realistic. I remember Newcastle thrashing someone, could have been Spurs, on the last day after being relegated. I think some of our fans need to chill a little bit. 

Chill a little, we got properly embarrassed, spanked. It was a shambles for the last 25 minutes. I am not glossing over facts, if people accept being drubbed like this, its weak minded , not a high standard, get beat trying not rolling over.  How can we accept a thrashing like this and then even think about progress in the right direction. I am not saying CS out or anything, but that was naivety at its best.

[Max Power]

Went too gung-ho in an attempt to get something out of a dead rubber and we got picked off. Not exactly the worst of crimes. If we'd have just shut up shop and both teams had ambled around to a 3-1 Spurs win would it be that much better?

 

He deserves the job and two or three sigings and we can push on next season.

[ian_marshall]

I think what concerned me the most about last night was that if we harboured any hopes of miraculously reaching 8th it was imperative that we kept the scoreline to a minimum if we were defeated. The fact that the flood gates were opened up by our own tactical naivety makes me wonder what exactly was going through Shakey's mind as his decision last night has not only ruled us out of an 8th place finish but I'd be it's also stacked the odds heavily against us for finishing 9th as well.

[Beachyboy]

41 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Benny was absolute muck, so I'm not sure why people are so confident about a man he can't head and was getting our muscled all night would have made a lot of difference when everyone around him had given up as well.

He's not absolute muck, he's a good squad player, an can improve, the 3 goals in the last 5 mins could of been prevented, an there would of been a better chance of that with Benny on the field.

[Babylon]

Just now, Beachyboy said:

He's not absolute muck, he's a good squad player, an can improve, the 3 goals in the last 5 mins could of been prevented, an there would of been a better chance of that with Benny on the field.

But he was muck and that's why he got hooked. He wasn't preventing much before he went off, so I'm not sure why people think it would be any different.

[AmarteyAndChill]

3 minutes ago, ian_marshall said:

I think what concerned me the most about last night was that if we harboured any hopes of miraculously reaching 8th it was imperative that we kept the scoreline to a minimum if we were defeated. The fact that the flood gates were opened up by our own tactical naivety makes me wonder what exactly was going through Shakey's mind as his decision last night has not only ruled us out of an 8th place finish but I'd be it's also stacked the odds heavily against us for finishing 9th as well.

Southampton had a better GD than us(by 4 goals) anyway. Unlikely we were ever gonna finish 8th. If we beat Bournemouth& Swansea beat west brom, we will still finish 9th.