Shakespeare future decided next week - Percy

[Beachyboy]

1 minute ago, Beachyboy said:

He's not absolute muck, he's a good squad player, an can improve, the 3 goals in the last 5 mins could of been prevented, an there would of been a better chance of that with Benny on the field.

I think he was hooked more because at 3-1 Shakey wanted to chase the game an bring Gray on, he did fairly well over 2 games V Athletico, who are better than spurs, Mahrez for grey would of been a safer option, an I don't think it would of finished 6-1 with that change.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

20 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Went too gung-ho in an attempt to get something out of a dead rubber and we got picked off. Not exactly the worst of crimes. If we'd have just shut up shop and both teams had ambled around to a 3-1 Spurs win would it be that much better?

 

He deserves the job and two or three sigings and we can push on next season.

Exactly. The same people would be complaining we accepted 3-1 and didn't try to get back in the game. I applaud CS for trying to get a point, sure it backfired but its a 2 edged sword when you throw people forward. Makes me respect him more

[Out Foxed]

3 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

Exactly. The same people would be complaining we accepted 3-1 and didn't try to get back in the game. I applaud CS for trying to get a point, sure it backfired but its a 2 edged sword when you throw people forward. Makes me respect him more

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword.…
— Hebrews 4:12

[Lovejoy]

29 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

Exactly. The same people would be complaining we accepted 3-1 and didn't try to get back in the game. I applaud CS for trying to get a point, sure it backfired but its a 2 edged sword when you throw people forward. Makes me respect him more

Agreed. If ever there was a time to try something different and take a gamble, the dead rubber yesterday was it. Could have gone either way and he'll/we'll learn from it in future.

[shen]

3 minutes ago, Lovejoy said:

Agreed. If ever there was a time to try something different and take a gamble, the dead rubber yesterday was it. Could have gone either way and he'll/we'll learn from it in future.

The change at half-time was as attacking as we could go without compromising the entire squad formation. Even then, as we also saw against Atletico, we were wide open with the 3-5-2 system. Subbing Benalouane proved suicidal as that meant Amartey going back and Ndidi bafflingly playing on his own in midfield. I think Mahrez was supposed to be in the middle or something, but what a mess it was.

 

You could say Shakespeare had little to lose in this game, but I really don't see what he gained from this exercise other than not to play five attackers with two offensive fullbacks ever again (duh!!)

[Lovejoy]

31 minutes ago, shen said:

The change at half-time was as attacking as we could go without compromising the entire squad formation. Even then, as we also saw against Atletico, we were wide open with the 3-5-2 system. Subbing Benalouane proved suicidal as that meant Amartey going back and Ndidi bafflingly playing on his own in midfield. I think Mahrez was supposed to be in the middle or something, but what a mess it was.

 

You could say Shakespeare had little to lose in this game, but I really don't see what he gained from this exercise other than not to play five attackers with two offensive fullbacks ever again (duh!!)

I know, and in hindsight, it looks stupid. I guess though that we perhaps wouldn't have known that Amartey would have looked like a fish out of water there given his international credentials and just how ineffective Mahrez was alongside Ndidi.

 

I guess my thought process is I'm glad he tried it as opposed to doing a Pulis and just bringing 9 men back and taking a two goal defeat without fight. Had it been in March, we wouldn't have seen that approach.

[Dan]

We were on a hiding to nothing yesterday. We made a right mess of it in the end and our shape by the end was comical. Subbing Benalouane was a bit daft and I thought at the time what on earth are we trying to do, not a single centre half on the pitch.

 

He's won enough games for me to be convinced, that over-rules getting slaughtered by the form side of the country while missing most of the spine of our team.

 

In hindsight we had no chance.

[VLC86]

The only slight concern for me is his lack of experience I management. If our recruitment is as shocking this summer and we have a bad start it could be a disaster.

 

A more experienced manager might offer more of a opinion on our transfer dealing and convince the owners that Macia/Rudkin aren't the team we need to lead that.

 

Saying that, A bigger part of me thinks he will still do well given the chance and he deserves that.

[Jimmy]

I've always had a nagging doubt thinking we need a fresh coaching set up to come in and evolve the team, obviously events like last night don't help that.

 

I've been disappointed that he just sticks to 442, despite it meaning we have to play in a very specific way even though we aren't doing that of late

[Sionnach gorm]

I'm a Shakey scheptic, no doubt.  Other than the bump he received for being a new manager, and the initial improvement in confidence the team showed, I just don't see Shakey as being a tactical improvement on Ranieri.  I think Ranieri is a better manager and more experienced.

 

I still believe that the Atletico games might have gone the other way had Ranieri remained just a little longer.  The owners pulled the trigger a little too soon. 

 

In these last two games the chickens have come home to roost.  Shakey should remain as coach, but we need a better skipper to lead this team.  That's my opinion.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

On 18/05/2017 at 23:03, Bayfox said:

Think that's done him out of a job. Been ok against the bang average clubs.

 

But been found wanting against a few off the bigger clubs. Sets out to negatively for me then reacts when the game has gone.

 

I worry for us next season now if he gets the job. Too many things recently remind me of when nige couldn't buy a win.

This. 

 

Not based on the Spurs result but the games before. 

 

Totally negative away other than the West Ham game where we were very very fortunate to come away with any points. 

 

Another thing that concerns me is what the players think about Mahrez having been given Carte Blanche to continue to play badly and always get picked AND put no effort in when he's said he wants to leave.

 

That to me is plain bad management. 

 

How on earth did he stay on the pitch on Thursday? 

 

What does that sort of thing do to team spirit?

 

He actually said in the week that 'we can't be pandering to players', when that's precisely what has been done, and to the team's detriment. 

 

Is he too close to he players to make some of the decisions that need to be made? 

 

I think he may be.

[volpeazzurro]

Totally agree re Marhez, it's as if he thinks 'if I keep playing him,perhaps he won't leave'.

[Thracian]

The truth remains that Mahrez represented almost our only hope of piercing the Spurs defence or supplying a killer pass to the service-starved Vardy. 

 

Albrighton has been MoM on several occasions recently but he was ineffective against Spurs. Our central midfield wasn't and isn't creative and was being overwhelmed in any case for much of the time.

 

All we had going forward was the hope of Mahrez producing moments of magic among his many mediocre moments and the industry of young Chilwell trying to make something out of next-to-nothing in a game where Spurs seemed to have about twice as many players as we did.

 

Quite how long we're going to wait for a couple of creative midfielders I don't know. Or a right wing-back. Or a properly penetrative left-winger. Or defenders who are comfortable on the ball. Or a complimentary strike partner for Vardy who's ready to play every week.

 

Seems to me that close to half our squad needs changing yet all I've mentioned above is 5-7 players.       

 

Relating to Mahrez, I'm sick of hearing about him and don't give a toss if he leaves for the right price. Whatever the reasons we could probably do better for ourselves in the long run based on his current input.  

 

 

[Chico1958]

Although he's done really well in most of the games he's had................. I can't see it happening

 

Silva becomes available after Sunday

 

The Play Off will see either Jaap Stamm or Wagner take decisions on the future as well

 

Then you have to take in to acccount we may lose some of our best players over the summer

 

Bournemouth will be the game it's decided I think, another showing like Thursday and the owners will look elsewhere.

 

The decisions probably been made though......... best of luck to the guy either way

[st albans fox]

The background noises are pretty loud - shakey will get the job this week. if not, it's someone coming in who he already knows about and is happy to work alongside. If I'm wrong then he has an alternative career awaiting on the stage/screen! 

 

pretty concerned by wednesdays tactics second half after poch covered chilwell's freedoms. The change we made to 3-5-2 got us back into the game but Spurs were bound to react to that and our next move was plain wierd. at no time during the 90 mins did we work a way of countering their dash to the half way line to cover kaspers long kick from a pass back. That should have been sorted at half time. The 3-5-2 change would have been a pre planned one which only needed a little organising during the break. 

 

 

[Tuna]

 

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

The background noises are pretty loud - shakey will get the job this week. if not, it's someone coming in who he already knows about and is happy to work alongside. If I'm wrong then he has an alternative career awaiting on the stage/screen!

 

[Happy Fox]

Ranieri 

[Callabinho]

I do have genuine concerns going forward if Shakey gets it full time....not that I doubt his ability to coach, but is he a manager? I agree that every number 2 deserve a chance, but I guess there's lots of if's and but's surrounding him, like any manager I guess....the real issue for me is will be be able to pull he players in...it depends what the ambitions are of the owners, hopefully it doesn't mirror some of the fans...our owners have already proven that they will put their money where their mouth is, it's time we went for someone established in Europe and start to turn those ripples into waves. After last season we shouldn't have to accept regression...I do not this season has been a failure bar the Chamoions league. 

[ian_marshall]

I genuinely feel for the owners right now they have in my opinion the biggest decision they've had to make since taking over.

 

I respect Shakey massively and I'm very thankful to him for digging us out of the hole that we were in earlier this season but I'm split over what our next move should be. 

 

The positives for me are:

 

> He knows the squad and won't need time to assess the situation.

> He's picked up enough points per game to suggest we'll not be at risk of relegation.

> Having heard several interviews he comes across as an experienced man manager and seems in football terms relatively intelligent.

> He'll most likely follow Pearson's format off the pitch of having a robust high performance team to ensure that player's are always at their optimal levels.

 

The concerns for me are:

 

> We've only beaten one team from the top 7 (Hard to judge appreciated due to factors outside of his control such as squad depth) which doesn't instil confidence for challenging for the European places.

> No plan B - We seem too one dimensional. The ball in behind to Vardy is our only approach to scoring.

> I can't see our game evolving under Shakespeare - As the old saying goes, if you're not moving forwards you're moving backwards - whilst I think he'll bring continuity I want to see development.

> I'm not convinced Shakespeare is the tactically astute manager we'll need to break the top 7.

[Thracian]

23 hours ago, Beachyboy said:

He's not absolute muck, he's a good squad player, an can improve, the 3 goals in the last 5 mins could of been prevented, an there would of been a better chance of that with Benny on the field.

Apart from the first 20 minutes Spurs could have scored all night. They ran through us with Benny on the field and were just the same when he was sacrificed so we could chase the game.

 

Spurs' 3-4-3 system tore us to pieces because we never had the central defenders to cope with Spurs' top-class attackers and because we never got close to stopping Spurs' over-running us in midfield with their wing-back assistance and with Mahrez being like a passenger while his team-mates took a pounding.

 

It meant Spurs effectively having six moving into and through midfield (not even counting their hard-working strikers doing a bit of overtime) against three for Leicester and we really had no way of countering that fluidity - and less so when Shinji went off.  

 

Our defenders deserve some sympathy but there's no way Benny was coping with Kane and no use pretending differently. Huth and Morgan wouldn't have coped either but they have a toughness and resilience that's not always appreciated and would have left their mark for sure.

 

Spurs would likely have still won, but the big lads would have got a lot more blocks in and made life a lot less comfortable for the Spurs raiders anywhere near the box, as they have done so often in the past.

 

But here's no way we were going to win with half the defence and half the midfield missing. Benny gave his all but it wasn't enough and it wasn't enough for others either but at least most of our team stayed involved enough to look bad, rather than hiding. Those who didn't should hang their heads in shame.                   

[ithuriel]

All depends on where we want to go and how fast.

Personally, I'd be surprised if he gets the job due to the owners ambitions of regular Champions league, Europa  football.

I still remember Rob Kelly,  the caretaker manager who kept us up after Craig Levein left only to be quickly sacked the next season, because it is one thing to lead a recovery mission with the players you know and another to lead a campaign for promotion/European places whilst integrating new players.

 

 

[foxinsocks]

First the board should look at the performance of the academy....  chilwell is the output...

Im not not an np man.... but we have to sort out the academy and the structure to manage recruitment sports science psychology and personal developnent to improve hightly paid tallent.... np built a good club but it seems to have been eroded. If we do this then the first team coach can focus on matches and we de risk the impact of  changing.  With this inplace we can go with shakey and be confident that we can reconsider the situation as and when. 

Against spurs shakes could have shut up shop at 1.3  but he chased it and we got walloped.... there was no right answer here.  But his bravery showed ambition in the game above concern for his audition. The board should Give cs the job and focus on structure and recruitment of quality players worthy of a top 4 club

[Thracian]

15 minutes ago, ithuriel said:

All depends on where we want to go and how fast.

Personally, I'd be surprised if he gets the job due to the owners ambitions of regular Champions league, Europa  football.

I still remember Rob Kelly,  the caretaker manager who kept us up after Craig Levein left only to be quickly sacked the next season, because it is one thing to lead a recovery mission with the players you know and another to lead a campaign for promotion/European places whilst integrating new players.

 

 

On what basis Kelly's performance has to do with Shakespeare's potential performance I've no idea.

 

Lots of experienced managers get sacked quickly or slowly too. Foreign managers get sacked but it doesn't mean you should never appoint another one. Each man should be judged on his own merits and I've seen no evidence that Shakespeare can't integrate people.   

 

           

[ithuriel]

11 minutes ago, Thracian said:

I'm glad I'm not Shakespeare reading that, cos I'd consider the comparison to be the ultimate insult and on what basis Kelly's performance has to do with Shakespeare's potential performance I've no idea.

 

Lots of experienced managers get sacked quickly or slowly too. Foreign managers get sacked but it doesn't mean you should never appoint another one. Each man should be judged on his own merits and I've seen no evidence that Shakespeare can't integrate people.   

 

           

I've not seen any real evidence yet he can, he knows these current players, they are not new to him.

As for Rob Kelly, a caretaker manager who lead a successful recovery to be found wanting when he was given the managers position could happen again.

 

 

 

[Thracian]

2 minutes ago, ithuriel said:

I've not seen any real evidence yet he can, he knows these current players, they are not new to him.

As for Rob Kelly, a caretaker manager who lead a successful recovery to be found wanting when he was given the managers position could happen again.

As for you finding it insulting, well, theres a shocker .

 

 

 

 

But "could" means nothing in relation to Shakespeare or anyone/anything else for that matter.

 

He "could" win the FA Cup or get us back in Europe.  He "could" be just as bad as Kelly. Or he "could" retire next week and leave our owners with all the hassle.  

 

I did remove the "insult" reference because it was a personal reaction - and took me back to a time when I spent time and money watching what I considered to be the worst kind of football I was ever likely to witness.