Sharpe's Fox Posted 14 June 2018 Posted 14 June 2018 (edited) Jacob Rees-Bottlejob and the rest of the so called “Brexiteers” need to grow a spine and force May out if they really want what they want for Britain. Won’t bank on it though since everyone ever on the Right are completely spineless. Edited 14 June 2018 by Sharpe's Fox
Strokes Posted 14 June 2018 Posted 14 June 2018 38 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Jacob Rees-Bottlejob and the rest of the so called “Brexiteers” need to grow a spine and force May out if they really want what they want for Britain. Won’t bank on it though since everyone ever on the Right are completely spineless. We need to get May out fast, she is a complete liability, I’m not sure they have the clout to get her out though.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 14 June 2018 Posted 14 June 2018 (edited) Theresa May agrees £20bn NHS care package after overruling Chancellor Philip Hammond https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6534361/theresa-may-agrees-20bn-nhs-care-package/ Hopefully it goes on capital expenditure and relaxes NICE's militancy rather than into the endless pit of unneccesary consumption and wages. Edited 14 June 2018 by Kopfkino
Guest Posted 14 June 2018 Posted 14 June 2018 Universal credit savaged by public spending watchdog https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/15/universal-credit-savaged-by-public-spending-watchdog-nao?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Guest MattP Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 On 13/06/2018 at 21:26, purpleronnie said: A big game changer for whom? Not the vast majority of people in the UK who probably never took any notice. I can't remember the EU suddenly becoming a being a major issue in the 2010 election, what did ukip get 2-3%? But maybe i'm misremembering. Although it's Funny how the Lisbon treaty was naturally a big story in Ireland, but they still remain very pro EU....oh and didn't they have a 2nd referendum on it. 2010 would have been too early for the impact of the Lisbon treaty to take effect, the Irish example was perfect to show exactly what the EU had become though, voted against them, so they were then bullied, threatened etc into voting the "correct" way - amazing really, hundreds of years fighting us for independence to control their own laws etc and then gave it away in a matter of weeks. I think they have been a bit surprised at the United Kingdom, a democracy where the votes of people actually mean something, I bet 90% of them inside that building thought this was being reversed when we did it.
Guest MattP Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 10 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Jacob Rees-Bottlejob and the rest of the so called “Brexiteers” need to grow a spine and force May out if they really want what they want for Britain. Won’t bank on it though since everyone ever on the Right are completely spineless. Changing the PM won't do a thing though, it's not going to change the parliamentary arithmetic - if we have a Brexit PM the chances of gettign anything through pretty much go to zero and I think Rees-Mogg etc know that.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 9 minutes ago, MattP said: Changing the PM won't do a thing though, it's not going to change the parliamentary arithmetic - if we have a Brexit PM the chances of gettign anything through pretty much go to zero and I think Rees-Mogg etc know that. Back your ideas and call a GE to get more MP’s then. At the end of the day it comes down to Jacob Rees-Bottlejob and the rest of the spineless right not having the guts to put their policies to the electorate. The left does.
Guest MattP Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 13 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Back your ideas and call a GE to get more MP’s then. At the end of the day it comes down to Jacob Rees-Bottlejob and the rest of the spineless right not having the guts to put their policies to the electorate. The left does. Another GE? The public would be infuriated at that. Not to mention it would either cause a Labour led government or the end of Corbyn, both of which are disastrous for anyone that wants a proper Brexit.
Bryn Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 10 hours ago, Kopfkino said: Theresa May agrees £20bn NHS care package after overruling Chancellor Philip Hammond https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6534361/theresa-may-agrees-20bn-nhs-care-package/ Hopefully it goes on capital expenditure and relaxes NICE's militancy rather than into the endless pit of unneccesary consumption and wages. Is this not a gargantuan back track in fundamental Tory policy? After years of being told people would literally die in corridors if more money wasn't provided to the NHS, they're now going to increase borrowing and taxes to put more money in? If we're going to do that let's just get Labour in and do it properly. It's good news, obviously, and I do think there are signs that Jeremy Hunt, who has been hideous in the past, has genuinely started to realise the immense strain that patients and health professionals are under. I am willing to speculate that this is the advantage of keeping a Secretary in place for so long, that they start to be impacted more by the human issues at stake and less by dogma. This extra money should be subject to a deep public and parliamentary debate on where we want it to go. Unfortunately it's unlikely to happen given how much time and energy is being wasted on the pathetic Brexit. I doubt Brexit is the main source of the extra money but would need to see the figures. I agree that in addition to extra funding we still need to tackle NHS largesse; although in my experience frontline staff are doing their best in that regard. I'd start with procurement, it's crackers that the NHS overpays for equipment when it effectively has a monopoly, it should be paying close to wholesale prices and lobbying for reductions in cost. A serious discussion of the future of healthcare in this country is still needed and I think it's a travesty it's gone missing in the xenophobic fog of Brexit.
Strokes Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 1 hour ago, MattP said: Another GE? The public would be infuriated at that. Not to mention it would either cause a Labour led government or the end of Corbyn, both of which are disastrous for anyone that wants a proper Brexit. We’ve got not chance of getting a proper brexit with May at the helm, she is a nodding dog to all sides, she can’t continue to make no decisions. A general election with a proper brexit strategy and let the public decide is needed or nobody gets what they want with this wench. 1
Guest MattP Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 59 minutes ago, Bryn said: Is this not a gargantuan back track in fundamental Tory policy? After years of being told people would literally die in corridors if more money wasn't provided to the NHS, they're now going to increase borrowing and taxes to put more money in? If we're going to do that let's just get Labour in and do it properly. Bizarre assumption to assume people only vote at a General Election on NHS policy, if people thought that Labour would win a majority every time as it's the one thing voters trust them with over the Conservatives. It's a fairly big gambles from the Tories though, people are already taxed at the highest rate for decades, to increase it further isn't going to go down well with voters, the NHS will need to produce serious improvement in results if they are going to go down this road. 44 minutes ago, Strokes said: We’ve got not chance of getting a proper brexit with May at the helm, she is a nodding dog to all sides, she can’t continue to make no decisions. A general election with a proper brexit strategy and let the public decide is needed or nobody gets what they want with this wench. Then what happens if yet again (as I suspect given the current polarisation) the electorate returns another hung parliament? We've just be in exactly the same position. The best solution at the minute is to firstly get out of the European Union, which happens in nine months - and then argue our relationship with it via future elections, as soon as we are out the Liberal Democrats will be the only major party that supports returning and that will make it very difficult for that to occur. The debate can hopefully then be whether we follow a Conservative future outside the EU or a Labour one, which I suspect with move closer to single market/customs union membership if the moderates can usurp the hard left after the next election in 2022.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 1 hour ago, Bryn said: If we're going to do that let's just get Labour in and do it properly. Yes lets get Labour in to 'do it properly' and go full on Mid Staffs up and down the country.
Bryn Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 I love how you've both honed in on the flippant part of my post.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 12 minutes ago, MattP said: Bizarre assumption to assume people only vote at a General Election on NHS policy, if people thought that Labour would win a majority every time as it's the one thing voters trust them with over the Conservatives. It's a fairly big gambles from the Tories though, people are already taxed at the highest rate for decades, to increase it further isn't going to go down well with voters, the NHS will need to produce serious improvement in results if they are going to go down this road. Then what happens if yet again (as I suspect given the current polarisation) the electorate returns another hung parliament? We've just be in exactly the same position. The best solution at the minute is to firstly get out of the European Union, which happens in nine months - and then argue our relationship with it via future elections, as soon as we are out the Liberal Democrats will be the only major party that supports returning and that will make it very difficult for that to occur. The debate can hopefully then be whether we follow a Conservative future outside the EU or a Labour one, which I suspect with move closer to single market/customs union membership if the moderates can usurp the hard left after the next election in 2022. The wholes thing is just a mess at them moment. We need to 2 sides to decide exactly what they want to do and come up with a clear plan and just do it. At present the Tories say they want a special deal which is similar to the customs union but not that because we can negotiate our own deals, but not have a hard Irish Border. Its pretty much fact the EU wont allow this. Then we have the Labour customs union which we have 'a customs union' where we can have impact and the deals they make and make our own deals which is absolute pie in the sky nonsense. The EU wont allow that either. So we have 2 realistic options no one seems willing to take: 1. Hard Brexit 2. EEA/Customs Union (no trade, no say) May is scared to go hard Brexit and she doesn't really want to implement it either way as a remainer. Personally I would call a GE if I were her, she is damned is she does and damned if she don't. I would let the young have their Labour government, and laugh at Corbyn and co trying to negotiate their 'a' customs union cake, whiles the domestic economy is crashing and cost of borrowing is rising.
Jon the Hat Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 1 hour ago, Strokes said: We’ve got not chance of getting a proper brexit with May at the helm, she is a nodding dog to all sides, she can’t continue to make no decisions. A general election with a proper brexit strategy and let the public decide is needed or nobody gets what they want with this wench. Did you just call the Prime minister “this wench”?
Sharpe's Fox Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: Did you just call the Prime minister “this wench”? I know mate it's a bit tame. I prefer barren woods-witch
The Guvnor Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 The whole Brexit saga is becoming just that. Labour can't decide what they want, the Tories can't decide what they want, and even if any of them did decide what they want, the EU wouldn't let them have it.
Buce Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 National Audit Office condemns Universal Credit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44468437
Innovindil Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 An attempt to make upskirting a specific criminal offence in England and Wales has been blocked by one Conservative MP. The government had given its support to introducing the new law earlier. But Sir Christopher Chope shouted "object" to the bill, leading to cries of "shame" from other MPs. Wonder what this twat looks at on his government computer.
leicsmac Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Innovindil said: An attempt to make upskirting a specific criminal offence in England and Wales has been blocked by one Conservative MP. The government had given its support to introducing the new law earlier. But Sir Christopher Chope shouted "object" to the bill, leading to cries of "shame" from other MPs. Wonder what this twat looks at on his government computer. Honestly don't get why he thinks that's in any way a good idea. How are you going to block the bill in any meaningful way with that and how are you going to look anything other than a sex pest of some kind? Edited 15 June 2018 by leicsmac
Voll Blau Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 Him and that other filibustering twat Philip Davies are about the most odious blokes in Parliament aren't they?
Buce Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 3 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Him and that other filibustering twat Philip Davies are about the most odious blokes in Parliament aren't they? Not while Hunt, Gove, IDS and Mogg are there, they're not.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 12 minutes ago, Buce said: National Audit Office condemns Universal Credit: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44468437 If you can measure its success by the number of people sleeping overnight in the doorways of the old Dunelm shop on East Street then it's pats on the back all round! 8 minutes ago, Innovindil said: An attempt to make upskirting a specific criminal offence in England and Wales has been blocked by one Conservative MP. The government had given its support to introducing the new law earlier. But Sir Christopher Chope shouted "object" to the bill, leading to cries of "shame" from other MPs. Wonder what this twat looks at on his government computer. Under pressure from Rupes and Dacre I expect. That content would have to be replaced with something. But what?!
Buce Posted 15 June 2018 Posted 15 June 2018 2 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Why the **** would you ever block that. More to the point, why should one dissenting voice be able to? Is that that this democracy we keep hearing about?
Recommended Posts