Security checks at the K.P

[yorkie1999]

the 4 times a season is in the family stand, the rest of the ground is unlimited amounts. This appears to be aimed at the family stand with how it's written. There ain't half some dodgy folks in that stand. They're either causing trouble with the away fans or dodging entry requirements. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

23 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

I had an U22 season ticket for the title campaign and a couple those guys that check the colour of the lights when you scan your ticket just could not comprehend that I'd somehow turned 22 during the course of the season when checking my driving licence. 

The ones that stand by the turnstiles where I go in are like zombies, completely dead behind the eyes I doubt if they even know where they are let alone the job they're meant to be doing. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

20 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

the 4 times a season is in the family stand, the rest of the ground is unlimited amounts. This appears to be aimed at the family stand with how it's written. There ain't half some dodgy folks in that stand. They're either causing trouble with the away fans or dodging entry requirements. 

Or lobbing sandwich bags around 

[m4DD0gg]

12 hours ago, BigMicky said:

I think you have that the wrong way round.

Nope, tight security measures and investment in these areas will only be done in reaction to an event. Pro activity will never be done as it is based on risk assessment.

[davieG]

40 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

the 4 times a season is in the family stand, the rest of the ground is unlimited amounts. This appears to be aimed at the family stand with how it's written. There ain't half some dodgy folks in that stand. They're either causing trouble with the away fans or dodging entry requirements. 

....and this is why it's such a poor article as it's easy to miss the point of it. Yes it is the family stand because it's not just about ticket use evasion but also about the ratio of adults/child

 

 

 

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 in particular condition 50 which stipulates that those sitting in the Family Stand must be seated with at least one Under-18 as part of their party, and at a ratio of a maximum of two adults per junior concession

 

[yorkie1999]

27 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Or lobbing sandwich bags around 

i'd never take a kid in there, too dangerous

[Guest BlueBrett]

It's not unreasonable to expect people to pay the proper price for their tickets. Can only assume this communication is in response to some kind of indication that 'age fraud' is either common or at least on the rise.

 

 

The funny part is the threat that people may be asked to 'prove their age'. What kind of ID do they expect kids and adolescents to be carrying round?!  Young persons' bus pass or something I guess..

[Sambiasso]

The family stand is the pits, easily worse than L1 & SK1.

Witnessed a family get a torrent of abuse last season all because she asked the people in front to sit down, Family friendly it isn't.

[Voll Blau]

Why do the club have to be so duplicitous about this? Yeah, fine if you're worried about a missing £20 from some lad on the jib (obviously that'll make all the difference to an organisation which pays some employees a hundred grand a week), but do they seriously expect people to swallow the 'security' and 'integrity of the Family stand' line?

 

Mind you, a fair few of our fans seemed happy with the club's "it's UEFA rules" bollocks when it came to their Euro ticket collection policy...

[Tommeh]

Another nice little piece from the club to tie in nicely with the theme of this thread from a couple of weeks back which so many struggled to get the gist of: https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/112871-a-little-bit-disenchanted/:

 

Whoever brought in electronic turnstiles deserves an honour mind, especially away from home, as long as you ain't got a smokie down your kegs you'll walz in with any ticket. Saves a few beer tokens. 

 

[ealingfox]

If you ask me there shouldn't be a family stand anyway. Kids should learn to swear, dish out abuse, bark at shite players and take their elbows to the face during a goonage like an adult as early as possible, like young ealing had to.

[Fox92]

Dunno why it's such a big deal to some of you. 

 

That notice is only referring to a term that they've probably had in place since the ground opened. We all know the terms for going in the Family Stand (not that I've ever been in that stand).

 

I wouldn't try and get in a cinema with a child's ticket. 

 

It's not a massive deal. As I said above, nothing will probably anyway. The club threaten so many "security checks".

[BigMicky]

2 hours ago, m4DD0gg said:

Nope, tight security measures and investment in these areas will only be done in reaction to an event. Pro activity will never be done as it is based on risk assessment.

I was referring to "making money is about being reactive rather than proactive. "

[Wymsey]

I'm sure they're not, but that statement from them makes them appear quite both ignorant toward fan safety and incompetent as well I some ways.

 

Does sound somewhat daft, and those type of 'measures' should have been introduced anyway.

[FrankieADZ]

im not surprised thyeve released a statement like that, going by what I saw last season, there was loads of people in there using kids tickets even though they was clearly adults etc, and the club cant mask it either, they are just as bad, im pretty sure theyve sold single tickets to adults in there and a like last season

 

2 hours ago, ealingfox said:

If you ask me there shouldn't be a family stand anyway. Kids should learn to swear, dish out abuse, bark at shite players and take their elbows to the face during a goonage like an adult as early as possible, like young ealing had to.

oh no we cant have that in PC Britain, you cant fart without it offending someone tbf 

[Miella27]

16 hours ago, crisp packet said:

s more checks are taking place, the Club advises all supporters to arrive at the stadium as early as possible to ensure that supporters who are going through these checks enter the stadium in time for kick-off. However, the club cannot guarantee entry prior to kick-off should there be a delay whilst the checks are in progress.

It's that bottom line that annoys me, "the club cannot guarantee entry prior to kick off...", so you've taken my money but can't  guarantee that I can watch the whole game. Surely it's the clubs responsibility to ensure an appropriate number of staff are conducting checks. 

[jammie82uk]

4 hours ago, davieG said:

....and this is why it's such a poor article as it's easy to miss the point of it. Yes it is the family stand because it's not just about ticket use evasion but also about the ratio of adults/child

 

 

 

 

How is it easy to miss the point? 

 

it explains in depth what it is about also I'm assuming this is an email that's been sent out to family stand users only as I don't see it mentioned on the website nor have I received an email  

 

I also don't see any problems with the ratio allowed if it was any higher they might as well just sell single adult tickets in that section instead 

[jammie82uk]

4 minutes ago, Miella27 said:

It's that bottom line that annoys me, "the club cannot guarantee entry prior to kick off...", so you've taken my money but can't  guarantee that I can watch the whole game. Surely it's the clubs responsibility to ensure an appropriate number of staff are conducting checks. 

Use your common sense

if you turn up in plenty of time then you will be in and able to watch the full game 

If you turn up at 14:58 expecting to get straight though knowing that these security measures are in force then it a fault of your own self not the clubs 

[davieG]

1 minute ago, jammie82uk said:

How is it easy to miss the point? 

 

it explains in depth what it is about also I'm assuming this is an email that's been sent out to family stand users only as I don't see it mentioned on the website nor have I received an email  

 

I also don't see any problems with the ratio allowed if it was any higher they might as well just sell single adult tickets in that section instead 

It can be missed because the beginning gives no indication of what the message is actually about and as I said people  could easily give up reading it. 

 

Where did I question the validity of the ratio? What I said was that point could easily be missed and judging from the posts in this topic probably was because hardly any one commented on it only on avoiding paying the correct fee. 

 

That's  me done in this topic it doesn't concern me directly I just thought it was a very poorly constructed message.

[UniFox21]

How I'm reading this that they're checking for an u18 in every group, then say my little brother (our u18) can't make the game, does this mean I can't go in? i understand them cracking down on people going in on wrong tickets but their wording has been terrible on this

[EnglishOxide]

I don't think it's just people who are guilty of this who are annoyed.

 

It's more the fact that people don't like being dictated to or told what they can or can't do based on some petty rule.

 

There's a growing trend in this country of inequality rising and rules being meticulously enforced, to justify the pay of those at management level, no matter how trivial the matter is. More and more money gets squeezed out of the lower earners.

 

It's a big part of the reason Brexit happened IMO. We are rebellious little cvnts on this island, don't patronise us and try to control us with every rule going.

[Miella27]

1 hour ago, jammie82uk said:

Use your common sense

if you turn up in plenty of time then you will be in and able to watch the full game 

If you turn up at 14:58 expecting to get straight though knowing that these security measures are in force then it a fault of your own self not the clubs 

Thank goodness you're here. "Plenty of time" is no accurate indicator of when to arrive at the ground. Last year 20 minutes before the kick off could be tricky in the Family Stand. From my experience, it generally takes longer going through the turnstiles in the Family Stand due to young kids fumbling around trying to find their cards etc,  The club still have a responsibility to provide an appropriate structure for these kinds of checks, the bottom line suggests they won't take responsibility for how long these checks takes, that's unacceptable. Let's hope they're well organised and it doesn't cause too much disruption.

 

However, the club cannot guarantee entry prior to kick-off should there be a delay whilst the checks are in progress

[Out Foxed]

18 hours ago, m4DD0gg said:

Only time we will see real levels of security at a premier league football match is when a bomb goes off. Remember folks making money is about being reactive rather than proactive. 

the only time you'll see that is when the government wants it to happen

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, EnglishOxide said:

It's a big part of the reason Brexit happened IMO. We are rebellious little cvnts on this island, don't patronise us and try to control us with every rule going.

If you're going to make an irrelevant contentious assertion like this, you're liable to get a strong reaction to it. Brexit happened because of far deeper & (in my opinion, I must stress) more worrying reasons than a slight majority of voters being rebellious.

[m4DD0gg]

2 hours ago, Out Foxed said:

the only time you'll see that is when the government wants it to happen

yes which will be after a terrorist attack, its not if its when