HighPeakFox Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 Just now, BlueBrett said: do you know what subtext is? I really can't be arsed to go back through this thread and the other to copy paste all the examples of people suggesting or implying a 'lesser poster' would have been banned but they're there if you have the time and inclination to go look for yourself. That isn't conspiracy - that's just a clique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueBrett Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 Just now, HighPeakFox said: That isn't conspiracy - that's just a clique. A clique which is alleged to conspire to protect certain posters from being banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 Just now, BlueBrett said: A clique which is alleged to conspire to protect certain posters from being banned? I'm glad that's all you're concerned about - I think we'd moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliall Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 I just went back and read it......how is he not banned? ive seen it happen for far worse. If it were about religion or politics he would be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueBrett Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said: I'm glad that's all you're concerned about - I think we'd moved on. I'm not concerned just amused by some peoples' thought processes. You're right though we should get the thread back on track: Homosexuality - Fine Nazis - Bad Mind expanding thought leaders of our times assemble. It's time to recommence the debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetintedspecs Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 Think we need some perspective on this debate. How many were at the match? How many were involved/ singing the songs? How many were arrested? I am not excusing or condoning anything I am just saying that highlighting and dealing with a wrong/ educating people is fine. Blowing this out of all proportion and labelling all our fans for an extremely small minority is also discriminatory and blanket labelling is plain wrong too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 Just now, BlueBrett said: I'm not concerned just amused by some peoples' thought processes. You're right though we should get the thread back on track: Homosexuality - Fine Nazis - Bad Mind expanding thought leaders of our times assemble. It's time to recommence the debate Got anything helpful to contribute other than 'witty' putdowns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueBrett Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said: Got anything helpful to contribute other than 'witty' putdowns? Not often. I did find your querying of my understanding of the word conspiracy quite helpful though and I'm sure many others did too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 .....and this is why certain topics are locked or removed because they end up going around and around with no one changing their minds, people getting more and more frustrated and moving towards name calling and personal insults. This is not what the forum was set up for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 Just now, BlueBrett said: Not often. I did find your querying of my understanding of the word conspiracy quite helpful though and I'm sure many others did too I was querying it because I wondered why you even bothered to post about something so very (relatively) unimportant, other than to just be a provocative noise. Had I realised which 'conspiracy' you were alluding to, I'd have disregarded you altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filberts lovechild Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 33 minutes ago, ozleicester said: Have you seen the EDL? Did you see what happened in the US last week? How do you propose fighting the rising tide of Neo Nazis? I'd include Islamic extremists in that category too. I don't condone 2 wrongs make a right and that decency in all cases must shine through. Fighting leads to war, was kinda hoping we could not do that anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filberts lovechild Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 Something along the lines of this I most certainly support. If u want to be known as above the fascists then don't act like them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 I think it's about time I returned to moderating tbh. If this whiney fvcks think this place is intolerant now they'd be in for a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 53 minutes ago, BlueBrett said: at all the FT inner circle conspiracy theorists out there. It's an internet football forum not the bloody skull and bones club Also for what it's worth I don't think Thracian should have been banned. He's just as entitled to his opinion as anyone else - even if it is kind of warped. Seems strange people would simultaneously advocate banning him and leaving the thread open...what so you can all go in there and slag him off to make yourselves feel morally superior and further along the path to enlightenment while he can't defend/explain himself? Censorship and a few free hits? I mean if that's what floats your boat boys...personally I've seen more than enough evidence of the liberal paradox to last a lifetime but guess that's my problem. He's entitled to his opinion, he's not entitled to post it here. I'd celebrate Thracian's very real right to his opinion, however offensive, but I'd also defend Mark's right to have whatever content he wishes to have on his domain. Personally, I think it was slightly lazily moderated, I'd have just deleted Thracian'a posts and anyone responding to him and let the thread continue. But given the mods here are volunteers just doing what they can in their spare time, I'm really not sure it's worth starting a ten page discussion over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 This thread rsises many thought provoking issues. .. my 5cents... Does the evil of nazism justify the means of the antis? Well it would be best to meet it with rational argument and peaceful protest...... But at the point where they impose their views or carry out crimes then force or even war is required. Not all football fans are homo phobic but some are... same for most sectors of the community. Good news is that acceptance is growing. ... aided by rational protest and argument. Lets recognise there is work to do... but less than 10 years ago. It is helpful if moderate majorities in each sector acknowlege an argue against intolerant and evil members of their own sectors.... this feature is often weak ...but essential for progress Finally unlike other outmoded beliefs. .. homophobia seems to be spouted by those who are themselves defensive of what they see as their own weakness. This is not a taunt... its an observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueBrett Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: He's entitled to his opinion, he's not entitled to post it here. I'd celebrate Thracian'a very real right to his opinion, however offensive, but I'd also defend Mark'a right to have whatever content he wishes to have on his domain. Personally, I think it was slightly lazily moderated, I'd have just deleted Thracian'a posts and anyone responding to him and let the thread continue. But given the mods here are volunteers just doing what they can in their spare time, I'm really not sure it's worth starting a ten page discussion over. Yeh that's fair enough. The forum must be protected! Wasn't my intention to start a debate about moderation policy. Well aware I'm worst person to talk about something like that. Left to me it would descend into anarchy and we'd probably be shut down within a week. I think the mods generally do a great job and I appreciate their efforts. I just don't appreciate people sharpening their pitchforks and calling for someone to get banned like a bunch of invisible red card wavers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 13 minutes ago, BlueBrett said: Yeh that's fair enough. The forum must be protected! Wasn't my intention to start a debate about moderation policy. Well aware I'm worst person to talk about something like that. Left to me it would descend into anarchy and we'd probably be shut down within a week. I think the mods generally do a great job and I appreciate their efforts. I just don't appreciate people sharpening their pitchforks and calling for someone to get banned like a bunch of invisible red card wavers To be fair, Thracian has a long history of posting views here that go way beyond controversial or polarised. He's posted so much that's genuinely offensive, racist, inflammatory, ignorant and hateful over the years I'm amazed he's still here. MattP (sorry Matt, you're just my stock example) holds some views that make me uncomfortable but I don't think he's a dreadful human being, I'm not pursuing for him to be banned, I don't think he comes on here to try and incite hatred. But a lot of Thracian's posts over the years could be viewed as extremely hurtful and borderline dangerous rhetoric if anyone ever really bothered to read half of it. Man's a waste of oxygen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 Thracian is either sniggering via being a guest on here or embarrassed about that. Really not entirely sure which.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramboacdc Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 did the barcelona attack thread get out of hand like they do every time something like this happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 22 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: Thracian is either sniggering via being a guest on here or embarrassed about that. Really not entirely sure which.. Generally, Thracian's MO is to post something too far then vanish for a couple weeks til everyone forgets and then deny he ever said what you're claiming he did because he's confident almost nobody can be bothered to go back and quote the proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaelicFox Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Generally, Thracian's MO is to post something too far then vanish for a couple weeks til everyone forgets and then deny he ever said what you're claiming he did because he's confident almost nobody can be bothered to go back and quote the proof. I think everybody knows that Thracian is the alter ego of another prolific poster one has a normal/engaging side the other has a dark and disturbing side for what it's worth I think he has a Borderline personality disorder and he is probably untreated and that's not a laughing matter either he knew what he was saying and he knew the consequences his pay back for doing it is probably very twisted and disturbing , way more disturbing than his actual post and that folks is the real scary bit ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 15 hours ago, Carl the Llama said: It's still there. Has Thrac seriously not been banned for that? Mods have a word. Like serious, give the plonker some time out. that's ****ed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 7 minutes ago, GaelicFox said: I think everybody knows that Thracian is the alter ego of another prolific poster one has a normal/engaging side the other has a dark and disturbing side for what it's worth I think he has a Borderline personality disorder and he is probably untreated and that's not a laughing matter either he knew what he was saying and he knew the consequences his pay back for doing it is probably very twisted and disturbing , way more disturbing than his actual post and that folks is the real scary bit ! I think you've got no idea what BPD is. Plenty of us have met Thracian, he's been here forever. He's not an alter ego or anything that sophisticated, he's just a tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 1 hour ago, davieG said: .....and this is why certain topics are locked or removed because they end up going around and around with no one changing their minds, people getting more and more frustrated and moving towards name calling and personal insults. This is not what the forum was set up for. I've changed my mind davie, on the first page I said I didn't care and now........oh wait.....no still don't care. Lock the doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajthefox Posted 22 August 2017 Share Posted 22 August 2017 Racism, homophobia, peadophilia, Islamaphobia, conspiracy theories about the FT inner circle, Nazism, Fascism, Anti Fascism, free speech, censorship, this thread has got the lot. Fcvking bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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