ZeGuy Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 1 hour ago, foxfanazer said: What can the manager do about it? Play a midfield three?
foxfanazer Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 2 minutes ago, ZeGuy said: Play a midfield three? Still be king, James and Iborra etc though
Babylon Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 57 minutes ago, Lestoh1 said: If by more positive you mean set up to be battered for large parts of the game, then yes weve been more positive. We've faced less shots and had more shots on target and more possession against the bigger teams than most of those who've got results. If you think someone like Burnley haven't been battered for large parts you are kidding yourself.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 3 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: Still be king, James and Iborra etc though I don't think we have a choice. Our midfielders are simply not good enough to play in a 442. None of them, together, are good enough. At least a three would give us a bit more time on the ball.
foxfanazer Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 Just now, Col city fan said: I don't think we have a choice. Our midfielders are simply not good enough to play in a 442. None of them, together, are good enough. At least a three would give us a bit more time on the ball. It would but the defence would bypass it anyway so I don’t see it having much of an impact. IMO the personnel isn’t good enough and that’s been a theme of the recruitment since the title win
Lestoh1 Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 8 minutes ago, Babylon said: We've faced less shots and had more shots on target and more possession against the bigger teams than most of those who've got results. If you think someone like Burnley haven't been battered for large parts you are kidding yourself. Love how you ALWAYS reference burnley.
Babylon Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 41 minutes ago, Fox92 said: He sets up negatively. I think the forwards are too far apart - that's why Vardy is constantly telling the midfield to push up. So do Burnley, event more so. But everyone is up their arse of how you can get results against the big teams. As I've said numerous times we've had more shots and possession against the big teams than those who've got results against them in the main. But for a missed pen we'd have put 6 past Arsenal and Liverpool. That's not negative. If our aim was to be negative we wouldn't have scored those goals. I think its the wide open formation/style that's making us looked negative as we can't keep the ball and just end up defending.
Babylon Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 1 minute ago, Lestoh1 said: Love how you ALWAYS reference burnley. Yeah because it's not like those slating us haven't mentioned them every 5 minutes is it.
ZeGuy Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 11 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: Still be king, James and Iborra etc though Still better than a midfield two with the same players.
Fox92 Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 14 minutes ago, Babylon said: So do Burnley, event more so. But everyone is up their arse of how you can get results against the big teams. As I've said numerous times we've had more shots and possession against the big teams than those who've got results against them in the main. But for a missed pen we'd have put 6 past Arsenal and Liverpool. That's not negative. If our aim was to be negative we wouldn't have scored those goals. I think its the wide open formation/style that's making us looked negative as we can't keep the ball and just end up defending. Because they've got results.... Wow we've had more shots and more possession. Means nothing if you don't win, as we don't. A missed pen against Liverpool. They also hit the post and hit the resulting open net wide. They had better chances than us. All our opposition have better chances than us, even Huddersfield dominated us. We have two creative wingers in Gray and Mahrez. Will they both play tomorrow? No. He'll pick Albrighton again for assurance. Shakespeare, he's too scared of losing. We have midfielders that are too content on keeping the ball - King has scored 50+ goals for this club yet he doesn't go forward. At least Drinkwater would try something. I don't look forward to us playing because it's the same shit. Long kick so Vardy can't win it or defence pass to midfield who just give it the defence back. No wonder Maguire and Morgan come out with the ball, they are both probably bored.
Kitchandro Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 15 minutes ago, Babylon said: So do Burnley, event more so. But everyone is up their arse of how you can get results against the big teams. As I've said numerous times we've had more shots and possession against the big teams than those who've got results against them in the main. But for a missed pen we'd have put 6 past Arsenal and Liverpool. That's not negative. If our aim was to be negative we wouldn't have scored those goals. I think its the wide open formation/style that's making us looked negative as we can't keep the ball and just end up defending. We were positive against Arsenal. Ludicrous to suggest we've not been negative in all the other games though. You're forgetting we were absolutely dreadful for a half against Liverpool and were 2-0 down before we decided to have a go and try to score goals. Even against Brighton FFS, we started well and just sat back on the lead like we weren't too bothered about goals. In the other games we've simply not tried to score goals until we have gone behind. We managed to shut Bournemouth out so were happy to take the point. We all know there is a personnel issue in central midfield. But that's no excuse for the pathetically passive way in which we've approached games, and that's why we're currently in the bottom 3. It's not about keeping the ball, it never has been for us. It's about making the opposition give it us back by pressing them high, thus giving us the chance to attack quickly and throw men forward. We haven't done that once since the Arsenal game. It's all about tempo and application, which we are sadly lacking.
Kitchandro Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 We're giving the ball away so much because we're letting our defenders have it and trying to play it out from the back. There are no options ahead of us because we are waiting until our attacking players are marked up and just booting it in their general direction. How can the likes of Vardy, Okazaki, Gray and Mahrez break into space if we're not pressing and winning it higher up the pitch? How can we get it forward to them quickly when we don't bother winning it back until the opposition get to the edge of our own box? Simpson and Morgan are not going to pick out Xavi & Iniesta like passes with 11 opposition players in front of them. In fact, even Silva and Drinkwater are unlikely to do that. We have known this since we were in the Championship. Why is it some people, including our managers, can't grasp it?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 2 hours ago, Col city fan said: I ain't gonna say I told you so... Some people are suggesting that Amartey needs to step up to be our saviour of the midfield. Which tells you just about all you need to know about how some of the forum members see football.. Yes you are. Probably repeatedly and at length. (Weirdly, I mistyped length on my tablet and it came up as Leicester myth...
Kitchandro Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 20 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Because they've got results.... Wow we've had more shots and more possession. Means nothing if you don't win, as we don't. A missed pen against Liverpool. They also hit the post and hit the resulting open net wide. They had better chances than us. All our opposition have better chances than us, even Huddersfield dominated us. We have two creative wingers in Gray and Mahrez. Will they both play tomorrow? No. He'll pick Albrighton again for assurance. Shakespeare, he's too scared of losing. This is another example of our crappy style of play muddying the waters. Albrighton is not in the team to defend. He is in the team because he gets his head up quickly and looks for players in space or making runs at the earliest opportunity. If we were playing our proper game which we've only done in one game this season, Albrighton would be a huge asset going forward. It's no coincidence that in that one game the first 2 goals were created by Albrighton. The fact he has been dreadful since highlights everything that we are doing wrong - the players in their lack of motivation as a collective and the manager - whether he is telling them to do something different or not.
Legend_in_blue Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 He hasn't got a clue how to change it. He hasn't even bothered to try and change it.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 22 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Yes you are. Probably repeatedly and at length. (Weirdly, I mistyped length on my tablet and it came up as Leicester myth... I won't tell you at length cos I don't really need to.
foxinsocks Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 while we have three fit mids we should play a three - simples! you want something different you have to do something different I would go 4 3 3
WigstonWanderer Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 1 hour ago, Fox92 said: Because they've got results.... Wow we've had more shots and more possession. Means nothing if you don't win, as we don't. A missed pen against Liverpool. They also hit the post and hit the resulting open net wide. They had better chances than us. All our opposition have better chances than us, even Huddersfield dominated us. We have two creative wingers in Gray and Mahrez. Will they both play tomorrow? No. He'll pick Albrighton again for assurance. Shakespeare, he's too scared of losing. We have midfielders that are too content on keeping the ball - King has scored 50+ goals for this club yet he doesn't go forward. At least Drinkwater would try something. I don't look forward to us playing because it's the same shit. Long kick so Vardy can't win it or defence pass to midfield who just give it the defence back. No wonder Maguire and Morgan come out with the ball, they are both probably bored. I think the Spurs loss at the end of last season did permanent damage to Shakey's psyche. It can only be repaired by the sort of "backs to the wall" inspired "nothing to lose" run we had during the Great Escape.
Foxes1 Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 47 minutes ago, foxtillidrop said: Criminal to let go of Drinkwater. No it wasn't Drinkwater wanted to go the criminal part of it all was not getting the Silva deal over the line first and that was the fault of Rudkin and all his cronies who work under him.
foxtillidrop Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 3 minutes ago, Foxes1 said: No it wasn't Drinkwater wanted to go the criminal part of it all was not getting the Silva deal over the line first and that was the fault of Rudkin and all his cronies who work under him. Danny Drinkwater was a massive part of our success - proven at Premier League level. I don't care if he wanted to go - the club should have made every effort to keep a player who was under contract. On paper, Silva may be an adequate replacement but seems like a totally different player to me. A great addition but not a replacement. It could take Silva 6 months to adjust and adapt to the pace and physicality of the Prem. He'll probably struggle to get game time ahead of Andy King if Shakespeare is still around. Seems to be the case with Iborra who again will need 6 months to truly adjust. We had the finished product with Drinky so a big shame to let go of him in my view.
southfox66 Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 It doesn't take much to figure out the problem, we spent less than 20 million on defence since winning the title, which wasn't enough, basically Simpson and Morgan should have been replaced in the summer but we spent 70 million on strikers we don't play properly or have no use for, it we had a solid defence, our midfield wouldn't be the problem it is, we already had enough quality in attack, so the problem is our transfer system and management of the players we have.
dayday Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 3 hours ago, Col city fan said: I don't think we have a choice. Our midfielders are simply not good enough to play in a 442. None of them, together, are good enough. At least a three would give us a bit more time on the ball. We have actually got a strange set up, it is supposedly a 4-4-2, but Albrighton is so narrow these days he effectively is playing as an extra midfielder, the same can be said about Okazaki he tries to help out, yet because of this leaves a to bigger gap between him and Vardy This is why we get so over run, this basically lets the oppositions full backs to bomb on. Iborra has to start for me the pressure on N'didis shoulders is showing and though he hasn't overly impressed he is a better option than Albrighton.
smudger63 Posted 15 October 2017 Posted 15 October 2017 6 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Your can't blame the manager To be fair, it is surely up to the manager to inform the recruitment team the type of player he wants. So you would have thought that the manager would have said that he wanted a forward thinking creative midfielder. None of those brought in over the last couple of seasons have been that, not even Adrian Silva who we have yet to see.
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