Grow up and get behind Riyad, or: stop listening to the press and wait and see how he reacts on the pitch

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

18 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Yep. If credible evidence emerges that Mahrez was told (even verbally) that he could leave for £50m at any time in January, the blame would shift to LCFC.

 

I've yet to hear any such claim.

There is no comparison to a willingness to sell him for £50m in summer 2017, when prices were lower, Mahrez had just had a moderate season and we'd have faced much less disruption than on 30th Jan.

 

To make an extreme comparison, I think my parents agreed a price of £6k for their first home in 1966. They wouldn't have got that low price a few years later - and if they'd wanted to move in the next day, they'd have had to pay much more in 1966, given the massive disruption caused to the existing owners.

There is no credible evidence that a 50m bid would be accepted despite what almo-fox rattles on about.

 

The club said they would not stand in his way if a big club came in for him. What Riyad heard was that meant he could go whatever. What the club meant was if the price is right. Incredibly naive from Mahrez and his advisors. All this was said verbally and never put in writing, if they were going to get so shitty about it they should have got it in a contract.

Edited 9 February 2018 by Abrasive fox

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 minute ago, turtmcfly said:

The desire to punish someone we feel has wronged us is a strong one. But I can't think of a single occurrence in my life where that desire has been realised which has left me either materially or mentally better off. It becomes clear very early on that the 'victory' is a very hollow one, where anger at the wrong-doer is replaced by sadness at your own weakness for giving in to base impulses.

 

Fortunately I don't run the club. I'm confident the owners will do what's best for the LCFC 'in the round'. If that means what looks like appeasement, so be it.

Completely agree.  Whats important is having as successful season as possible.  We didnt refuse Riyad this move to harm him, we did it for the good of the club.

The club went about things perfectly.  Talking to the press of welcoming him back with open arms etc...

If he is happy with the team and they are happy with him, there is no problem.  The best starting 11 possible for every game is our only concern

[the fox]

8 minutes ago, Bernieboots76 said:

For me Mahrez does not walk back into the team it would not be a great message to send out to the rest of the team or the likes of the development squad etc.  He has to put in a hard weeks training and show Puel that he is ready to play and if he does he can start next week in the cup.

 

[Monsell1976]

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

Rob Dorsett reports he's took part in full training, laughing and joking with team mates.

Good, we don’t know what’s gone on, hopefully his heads straight, and we and he can get on with pushing for top 7, whilst he plays for us, and gives 100%, I will support and not heckle him at the games

[HighPeakFox]

10 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

The desire to punish someone we feel has wronged us is a strong one. But I can't think of a single occurrence in my life where that desire has been realised which has left me either materially or mentally better off. It becomes clear very early on that the 'victory' is a very hollow one, where anger at the wrong-doer is replaced by sadness at your own weakness for giving in to base impulses.

 

Fortunately I don't run the club. I'm confident the owners will do what's best for the LCFC 'in the round'. If that means what looks like appeasement, so be it.

What wisdom in this post. 

[ScouseFox]

oh wow looks like he had a couple of days off and now he's back and nobody cares. wonder if it was maybe all a press overreaction? who would've thought it

[Finn Claw II]

If he is back in training, get him on the bench for Sat.  He’s made a fool of himself but time to reintegrate him.

 

send him on at 80mins with the specific purpose of putting a reducer on De Bruyne...

[BrummieFOX]

1 minute ago, ScouseFox said:

oh wow looks like he had a couple of days off and now he's back and nobody cares. wonder if it was maybe all a press overreaction? who would've thought it

Yeh, what a shock. This will make some people look very stupid after ridiculous overreactions about demoting him to the U23's and the like.

[foxfanazer]

8 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

The desire to punish someone we feel has wronged us is a strong one. But I can't think of a single occurrence in my life where that desire has been realised which has left me either materially or mentally better off. It becomes clear very early on that the 'victory' is a very hollow one, where anger at the wrong-doer is replaced by sadness at your own weakness for giving in to base impulses.

 

Fortunately I don't run the club. I'm confident the owners will do what's best for the LCFC 'in the round'. If that means what looks like appeasement, so be it.

Very good point and well articulated. I do disagree in this instance however. The danger for me is the precedent we set for our future situations. We show too much weakness and other players could walk all over us and if we’re too harsh it could deter players wanting to come here. Of the information that is in the public domain (that’s all we can go on) I’ve think we’ve gone about this in the correct manner. Our valuation hasn’t been met so we’ve kept hold of our commodity who was quite happy to sign his contract at the time

[stevelcfc]

Its almost as if Sky and co. have cooked up a giant story based on dubious sources and limited factual information for their own benefit. Who'd have thunk it?

[foxfanazer]

4 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

oh wow looks like he had a couple of days off and now he's back and nobody cares. wonder if it was maybe all a press overreaction? who would've thought it

A couple of days? Bloody hell it felt longer than that and we played two games!

[foxfanazer]

3 minutes ago, BrummieFOX said:

Yeh, what a shock. This will make some people look very stupid after ridiculous overreactions about demoting him to the U23's and the like.

Why? Because he’s finally decided to do the right thing and turn up for work? 

[HighPeakFox]

I echo the recent posts. Media sources manipulate our desire for news and gossip. Sadly, it works, because nobody likes to admit they're taken in. 

[sly1]

Who cares, get on that pitch & start playing 

[Foxy-Lady]

16 minutes ago, Matt said:

Rob Dorsett reports he's took part in full training, laughing and joking with team mates.

worth remembering that the palyers end-of season bonuses are linked to league finishing position so if they feel that Mahrez in the team and playing well would improve their chances of finishing higher in the league, why wouldnt they be happy to see him return...?    After all, its not their dispute

"Points make prizes" ...

 

[the fox]

12 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

The desire to punish someone we feel has wronged us is a strong one. But I can't think of a single occurrence in my life where that desire has been realised which has left me either materially or mentally better off. It becomes clear very early on that the 'victory' is a very hollow one, where anger at the wrong-doer is replaced by sadness at your own weakness for giving in to base impulses.

I will remember this when my professor doesn't round-up my grade from a 27 to a 100.

[Foxes Blue Blood]

2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Very good point and well articulated. I do disagree in this instance however. The danger for me is the precedent we set for our future situations. We show too much weakness and other players could walk all over us and if we’re too harsh it could deter players wanting to come here. Of the information that is in the public domain (that’s all we can go on) I’ve think we’ve gone about this in the correct manner. Our valuation hasn’t been met so we’ve kept hold of our commodity who was quite happy to sign his contract at the time

do you think this was really about valuation? Do you think if Man City had offered £95M he would have gone?  Seems strange it has been reported his head was in bits because we refused to let him go yet he was AWOL on the 30th, didn't play on the 31st even though the transfer window was still open.

[ScouseFox]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

A couple of days? Bloody hell it felt longer than that and we played two games!

technically we've only really played one, he wasn't "on strike" (lol he was never on strike ffs) for the everton game, he was half way through transfer negotiations. 

 

and i'd still be very surprised if it wasn't an agreed period of time away with the club and everyone involved agreeing. he was annoyed and pissed off, we decided based on that not to play him vs Swansea, so there's no point in him ruining training with a bad attitude and a mard on. we speak to him again on Monday and see the situation, decide to keep the heat off by not involving him vs man city but make sure he comes back to training before the game because then we can all focus on the game and not WHERE IS HE. 

 

he's back for our next game (if he's not back for tomorrow). 

 

as far as I can see that is a much more realistic explanation for what's gone on than MAHREZ AWOL NO TRAIN TRAITOR SACK HIM. but that's not as exciting a story for the media who want to use loads of them flashing light emojis and the words breaking news in caps lock on twitter every day with the same story saying nothing. 

[fuchsntf]

There has been so much speculation,and Bad uninformed Reports and News taken on

by the Media.

Another speculation by me. ...

What If Mahrez and Club,and teammates have always kept in Touch,and Nobody is

carrying a Chip!!!   Riyhad lets say, was disapointed and on a downer,but nothing more.

Or even contact was earlier than this forum and media percieved.....

Maybe no breaking of contracturial duties..... Puts another slant on Things dunnit ! ??

 

The owners,with Puel have Just kept their cards very close to their chests.Bravo for that.

Knowing how our owners have never Jumped on the media or speculation Bandwagon,

It could be both player and Club,come  Out of it, with heads Held high...

There is a Future and Business,that still needs to be concluded one way or the other.

 

[ScouseFox]

2 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

worth remembering that the palyers end-of season bonuses are linked to league finishing position so if they feel that Mahrez in the team and playing well would improve their chances of finishing higher in the league, why wouldnt they be happy to see him return...?    After all, its not their dispute

"Points make prizes" ...

 

in that case it's pretty sad that all the players he's "let down" can accept him back instantly for the obvious benefit of the club, yet the "fans" want him banished forever "to prove a point". 

[Kitchandro]

16 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

The desire to punish someone we feel has wronged us is a strong one. But I can't think of a single occurrence in my life where that desire has been realised which has left me either materially or mentally better off. It becomes clear very early on that the 'victory' is a very hollow one, where anger at the wrong-doer is replaced by sadness at your own weakness for giving in to base impulses.

 

Fortunately I don't run the club. I'm confident the owners will do what's best for the LCFC 'in the round'. If that means what looks like appeasement, so be it.

On the flip side, I find bending to the will of those that have wronged you leaves you with a deeper resentment.

 

There's a difference between revenge and principle. IF Mahrez apologises and wants to start acting like a man then forgiveness is there for him. He needs to accept he's in the wrong though.

 

You can't let people get their way through negative behaviour. That's the sure fire way of the world going to shit. People need to be punished for their wrong-doing as a deterrent as much as anything else. That's why we have laws.

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, Almo-Fox said:

mahrez  has accepted to pay two weeks pay cut as a fine 

but mahrez was in Algeria to sign a contract to be ambassador  of phone operator Dezzy for 2018 

You mean he's accepted a fine for the time he didn't work?

 

I thought you told me he had depression, now you tell me he just flitted off mid season for a phone company.

 

3 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I echo the recent posts. Media sources manipulate our desire for news and gossip. Sadly, it works, because nobody likes to admit they're taken in. 

Maybe you are taken in by the media but you can only talk for yourself. Some of us are pissed off with the guy for going AWOL and missing two weeks training and at least 3 matches. Don't try and tell us that the club wanted him to do that - we're not that gullible.

[foxfanazer]

2 minutes ago, Foxes Blue Blood said:

do you think this was really about valuation? Do you think if Man City had offered £95M he would have gone?  Seems strange it has been reported his head was in bits because we refused to let him go yet he was AWOL on the 30th, didn't play on the 31st even though the transfer window was still open.

Of course we would have. I believe our valuation was that high because of the timing of the bid. The club would’ve been reluctant to let him go so late in the window but they’d have taken that

[HighPeakFox]

I think it might be wise to think on the basis that the club and player were in touch throughout this period, and that most of the sensationalism has been nonsense. Thus, punishment and bending to the will of a miscreant perhaps don't come into it, and all parties can move forward with a degree of harmony. 

[the fox]

1 minute ago, FIF said:

You mean he's accepted a fine for the time he didn't work?

 

I thought you told me he had depression, now you tell me he just flitted off mid season for a phone company.

 

Maybe you are taken in by the media but you can only talk for yourself. Some of us are pissed off with the guy for going AWOL and missing two weeks training and at least 3 matches. Don't try and tell us that the club wanted him to do that - we're not that gullible.

10 days and 1 match. he's available for the man city game, puel playing him is another matter. the club had negotiations with man city so what if the mahrez deal was agreed? take him off at half time and rush him to manchester?