Buce Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 Just now, Dr The Singh said: You calling the quran shit? You're putting words into my mouth. I meant similar controversial passages.
Dr The Singh Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 Just now, Buce said: You're putting words into my mouth. I meant similar controversial passages. I asked a question, how is that putting words in your mouth Busy? ....See, how things can be interpretated in these types of thread
Popular Post FreoBondy Posted 29 March 2018 Popular Post Posted 29 March 2018 Surely we've come a point in our existence, that we can acknowledge that all religions are fairy tales. They can't all be right, so you are delusional if you believe your's is the only true one. Listen closely folks...none of them are real! 1 1 3
urban.spaceman Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 6 minutes ago, Buce said: I'm pretty sure you can find similar shit in the Old Testament. There is, but there aren't that many extremist Christians or Jews going about using the Bible as justification for extreme violence these days. Judaism and Christianity are also considerably older than Islam too, with very violent histories indeed.
NasPb Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 14 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: There is, but there aren't that many extremist Christians or Jews going about using the Bible as justification for extreme violence these days. Judaism and Christianity are also considerably older than Islam too, with very violent histories indeed. While this is true, Muslim nations have gone through a lot worse than Christians or Jewish nations. Colonialism, Coup's by the CIA (Iran,) horrible borders drawn by foolish European leaders, and also support for a regime that spreads terror in Saudi Arabia. Of course this does not make up for bad things done, but it explains it. Majority of Muslims in Europe are not your bad guys, it is the governments and radicals funded by them that have caused this mess. To me, it is less of a problem with religion, but more of a problem with socioeconomics. Look at Bosnia, Albania, Tunisia, all secular nations. Of course every religious book has bad in it, and as an Atheist I believe that, but what enables some things to be shown more in a society depends on the condition of society. 1
the fox Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 Just now, urban.spaceman said: And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy.And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy. https://quran.com/ is a good place to start. 4:101: And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy. 2:191-193: And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors. Plenty more. 2 OK, let's see. 1-Just go back just a few hundred years, would you say that the tension between religions was immense? We are now living in a very kind time where almost everyone gets along. moving on! You quoted 191-193 but you conveniently left out 189-190 which says "They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the new moons. Say, "They are measurements of time for the people and for Hajj. And it is not righteousness to enter houses from the back, but righteousness is [in] one who fears Allah. And enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed.Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." But hey, let's all quote things out of context. fun fact about that aya (which means verse in English). Muslim were forbidden to fight in the sacred month because it was reserved for worshiping and al-Hajj. that aya was meant for the Muslims who were preparing for al-Hajj. the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was going to do his hajj and was blocked by the people who inhabited mecca but they reconciled with him and gave him their word (a word they did not respect time and time again before and after). so he asked them to clear mecca for 3 days next year so he and his people can do al-hajj. next year comes and Muhammad and his people were preparing to go but they feared that the inhabitants of Mecca at the team will break their oath like they did many times and kill them in a month that they are forbidden to fight in. so that aya was to tell the Muslims at the time that they can only fight if they were attacked. And they are forbidden to touch anyone that stays in his house and doesn't attempt to fight them. But hey man, quote things out of context that you don't know the full story of. 1
the fox Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 (edited) There are vile people that use out of context things to recruit the people who don't know better to fight "in the name of Islam". they have so little knowledge about their religion that anyone can lead them to do forbidden and horrible things thinking that they are "righteous". Edited 29 March 2018 by the fox
VLC86 Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 When I read this I thought someone’s had got a bit confused with the dates with April 1st close but this is actually real? ****ing hell, scummy *****. 2
Samilktray Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 Is @Wymeswold fox a parody account? Something I've wondered for a while tbh 2
FreoBondy Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 Muslims aren't allowed to eat bacon or drink beer......haven't they been punished enough already?? 1
urban.spaceman Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 25 minutes ago, the fox said: OK, let's see. 1-Just go back just a few hundred years, would you say that the tension between religions was immense? We are now living in a very kind time where almost everyone gets along. moving on! You quoted 191-193 but you conveniently left out 189-190 which says "They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the new moons. Say, "They are measurements of time for the people and for Hajj. And it is not righteousness to enter houses from the back, but righteousness is [in] one who fears Allah. And enter houses from their doors. And fear Allah that you may succeed.Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." But hey, let's all quote things out of context. fun fact about that aya (which means verse in English). Muslim were forbidden to fight in the sacred month because it was reserved for worshiping and al-Hajj. that aya was meant for the Muslims who were preparing for al-Hajj. the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was going to do his hajj and was blocked by the people who inhabited mecca but they reconciled with him and gave him their word (a word they did not respect time and time again before and after). so he asked them to clear mecca for 3 days next year so he and his people can do al-hajj. next year comes and Muhammad and his people were preparing to go but they feared that the inhabitants of Mecca at the team will break their oath like they did many times and kill them in a month that they are forbidden to fight in. so that aya was to tell the Muslims at the time that they can only fight if they were attacked. And they are forbidden to touch anyone that stays in his house and doesn't attempt to fight them. But hey man, quote things out of context that you don't know the full story of. You're right, context is very important. People living in the 21st century according to the rules and morality of a 7th century desert warlord in surely the epitome of taking something out of context.
Izzy Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 1 hour ago, FreoBondy said: Surely we've come a point in our existence, that we can acknowledge that all religions are fairy tales. They can't all be right, so you are delusional if you believe your's is the only true one. Listen closely folks...none of them are real! For some religious folk, it's not about which religion is right or wrong or true or false. People are free to believe what they want to believe and if their faith gives them comfort and hope, then good luck to them. You may see it all as fairy tales, make believe and delusion but for many, many people, religion is a very real part of their lives. Just because it's your opinion, it doesn't mean it's right... (P.S. I should know better than to comment on these threads tbh. It never ends well ) 1
KingsX Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 3 hours ago, Webbo said: It'll be some pathetic saddo living with his mother. It probably originated in Putin's basement troll farm in St Petersburg, nicely targeted to be picked up and amplified by the pathetic saddos, then spread to halfway reasonable folks. This thread is starting to look like a target-rich environment
StanSP Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 2 hours ago, Sir Shep said: Punish those responsible for this nonsense I say, but also don’t link us white working class with this either. who is doing this?
the fox Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 Just now, urban.spaceman said: You're right, context is very important. People living in the 21st century according to the rules and morality of a 7th century desert warlord in surely the epitome of taking something out of context. Cool, you want to change the subject now and that's you. Next time put some effort in your research before berating a religion that you know little about. don't paint us as murderers when you clearly interpreted an out of contexts verse to your own liking. for the record, I like you as a poster but throwing around claims that are false doesn't slide. I try to keep religion out of it as much as possible but you managed to talk about misinterpreted stuff in a thread talking about how there are game-like points for harming and killing Muslims.
Carl the Llama Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 2 minutes ago, KingsX said: It probably originated in Putin's basement troll farm in St Petersburg, nicely targeted to be picked up and amplified by the pathetic saddos, then spread to halfway reasonable folks. This thread is starting to look like a target-rich environment How so? There was me thinking it was refreshing that it's been roundly condemned including by the one poster critiquing Islam.
FreoBondy Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 10 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: For some religious folk, it's not about which religion is right or wrong or true or false. People are free to believe what they want to believe and if their faith gives them comfort and hope, then good luck to them. You may see it all as fairy tales, make believe and delusion but for many, many people, religion is a very real part of their lives. Just because it's your opinion, it doesn't mean it's right... (P.S. I should know better than to comment on these threads tbh. It never ends well ) You are right, everyone is free to support whichever god they believe in and that theirs is the only real one..... Thankfully, I follow the church of Vardy who is and always will be our true saviour...
Izzy Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 If I was a mod I'd close this. Nobody ever benefits from these threads. Said my bit. I'm out. 1
Webbo Posted 29 March 2018 Posted 29 March 2018 1 minute ago, Izzy Muzzett said: If I was a mod I'd close this. Nobody ever benefits from these threads. Said my bit. I'm out. Doesn't seem to be anything left to be said. If anyone 's unhappy they can PM me. 3
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