Burglar stabbed by homeowner (self defence)

[stripeyfox]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43710526

 

Couldn't see a thread about this so apologies if it has already been mentioned.

 

When this story appeared last week I noted the hysterical reaction on social media expressing disgust at the homeowner being arrested (many people failing the grasp the difference between being "arrested" and "charged").

 

I did think at the time that it was unlikley to result in charges but obviously we didn't know what went on, other than a "struggle".

 

You are allowed to use reasonable force, though what is "reasonable" is dependent on a huge variety of factors.

 

I now see that friends and family of the deceased burglar are putting flowers and tributes outside the home where he died (whilst burgling it) and the homeowner has been moved to a "safe house"!

 

 

[buzzy]

one word scumbag does not even deserve to be in the news has he was a scumbag. feel for the old man who was protecting his property **** the scumbags family they must be thick as shit if they did not know what he was upto.

[stripeyfox]

7 minutes ago, buzzy said:

one word scumbag does not even deserve to be in the news has he was a scumbag. feel for the old man who was protecting his property **** the scumbags family they must be thick as shit if they did not know what he was upto.

The article says he/they are from the "travelling community"...

 

[Jattdogg]

Nobody should be killing anyone but when you break into someones home expect the unexpected just like the owner had to.

 

I feel sorry that the guy had to resort to burglary because his life was shite.

 

I feel sorry for the old man who has to live with whays happened when all he was doing was minding his own.

 

I feel sorry for the family of the robber. They didnt deserve to see a loved one killed.

 

Never  a good outcome for any involved. If the old man was defending his home/ life then im sorry but the robber lost this one in the most unfortunate  way. Old man shouldnt be charged if thats the case.

 

 

 

[stripeyfox]

3 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Nobody should be killing anyone but when you break into someones home expect the unexpected just like the owner had to.

 

I feel sorry that the guy had to resort to burglary because his life was shite.

 

I feel sorry for the old man who has to live with whays happened when all he was doing was minding his own.

 

I feel sorry for the family of the robber. They didnt deserve to see a loved one killed.

 

Never  a good outcome for any involved. If the old man was defending his home/ life then im sorry but the robber lost this one in the most unfortunate  way. Old man shouldnt be charged if thats the case.

 

 

 

I agree with most of what you've said. Police have confirmed that no charges will be brought against the homeowner.

 

 

 

[foxy boxing]

The owner was in fear of his life as he has no idea who these scumbags were or why they had broken into his home. people have the right to defend themselves and if you live by the sword as this burglar did you die by the sword. these burglars would have most likely not thought for a second to beat up the resident or threaten him with violence to get what they want. so they should expect no sympathy. yes it is sad and shocking that someone has died but the death could have been totally preventable if these people were not doing what they were doing.

[buzzy]

the robber had a shite life so resulted in robbery what the hell is that we all have problems but we dont go out on the rob do we so get a grip all of you he deserved everything he got

[Innovindil]

Glad the police haven't charged the old bloke. Would have been a proper injustice. 

[Countryfox]

40 minutes ago, stripeyfox said:

The article says he/they are from the "travelling community"...

 

 

P1keys don't have sh1te lives ..  they just don't like to work for a living.   His whole 'family' thought robbing old people was a great way to live.  Scum.

[Guest MattP]

Whole family were absolute scum by the looks of it, career criminals and preyed on the elderby and most vulnerable. Good riddance.

[urban.spaceman]

The owner was just practising taekwondo in his own home. If the burglar hadn't broken in he wouldn't have gotten hurt. Not the owner's fault that the burglar's screwdriver fell into his hand and just so happened to stab the burglar.

 

Moral of the story: don't break into people's homes if you aren't prepared for the consequences. No sympathy for him or his family.

[boots60]

If I am lucky enough to make 78 years of age & anyone (pikey or otherwise) decides to burgle my house they will certainly not be receiving "reasonable force"

The scumbags who target the frail, vulnerable & elderly deserve all that comes to them/

[ARTY_FOX]

Setting up tributes to the **** opposite the REAL VICTIMS house and intimidating locals is disgusting aswell. Although not surprising considering their background....

[leicsmac]

Was always going to end this way tbh, glad that the CPS saw sense.

 

Of course it's terrible that a person died and their nearest should be allowed to mourn them, but is it really too much to ask to do it in a way that isn't intimidating those whose life they affected?

[Guest MattP]

Anyone remember "The Thieving Gypsy Bastards" by Viz?

 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, buzzy said:

the robber had a shite life so resulted in robbery what the hell is that we all have problems but we dont go out on the rob do we so get a grip all of you he deserved everything he got

Said the guy with The Joker as his avatar.

[indierich06]

10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Was always going to end this way tbh, glad that the CPS saw sense.

 

Of course it's terrible that a person died and their nearest should be allowed to mourn them, but is it really too much to ask to do it in a way that isn't intimidating those whose life they affected?

To be fair, it's not about 'seeing sense' - if someone dies, the police have a duty to investigate. The law around protecting your property from burglars is actually very robust and favours the homeowner - police would only ever bring a charge if there was significant evidence that the bloke had acted improperly, and it would be unlikely he'd be convicted even if he went to court.

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

To be fair, it's not about 'seeing sense' - if someone dies, the police have a duty to investigate. The law around protecting your property from burglars is actually very robust and favours the homeowner - police would only ever bring a charge if there was significant evidence that the bloke had acted improperly, and it would be unlikely he'd be convicted even if he went to court.

I agree entirely with that, sorry if I wasn't being clear about what I meant there.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

To be honest the moment you decide to break into someone else's home you deserve whatever is coming to you. Simple solution is don't break into other people houses. 

 

This bunch of nasty bastards obviously targeted the elderly and vulnerable. This time he has been the rightful receiver of what goes around comes around. 

[stripeyfox]

I got annoyed at people posting stuff about "what a disgrace is was" that he'd been arrested, when it is obviously just part of the procedure and no doubt, a sensible one, taking him from a very traumatic scene to a much calmer and safer place at a police station.

 

We don't know what happened but obviously the police were satisfied that he acted "reasonably". 

 

The old Tony Martin case was a very different circumstance, although I see plenty of people making comparisons.

 

Martin was armed, the burglars were not and however much of a scumbag the thief was, from a legal perspective, Martin fired at him as he was fleeing the scene, which did not constitute "reasonable" force, hence he was tried and a jury agreed and he was convicted.

[RonnieTodger]

Good riddance.

[Beliall]

what the ****ing ****   https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shrine-dead-burglar-near-house-12332787?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mirror_main.amp

[BoyJones]

2 hours ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Setting up tributes to the **** opposite the REAL VICTIMS house and intimidating locals is disgusting aswell. Although not surprising considering their background....

Particularly as the "tribute" is being attached to a private property. 

 

If I was that property owner, I would not be happy that people were climbing on my walls and fences etc and the police just standing by. There is almost certain to be damage caused. 

[yorkie1999]

53 minutes ago, Beliall said:

what the ****ing ****   https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shrine-dead-burglar-near-house-12332787?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mirror_main.amp

Was reading some bloke went and ripped the flowers and stuff down, so the women went and put them back up only for them to be ripped down again. Police aren't attending the scene probably because they wouldn't want to get involved, but i doubt any of the traveler menfolk will turn up just in case they get spotted and pinched.  

   Just noticed on that page, there's a a funeral parlour that's got a virtual reality simulator that shows you what it's like to die!!! Wonder who told them.

Edited 10 April 2018 by yorkie1999

[buzzy]

4 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Said the guy with The Joker as his avatar.

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