Nigel Pearson Poll

[Beechey]

9 minutes ago, EnglishOxide said:

Finishes under Pearson:

 

14/15 Premier League: 14th

13/14 Championship: 1st

12/13 Championship: 6th

11/12 Championship: 9th (12th when he joined)

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09/10 Championship: 5th

08/09 League One: 1st

 

 

See a pattern here? I do, and 'going backwards' isn't it.

 

You wouldn't see such a percentage of other fans show such blatant disregard for their legendary managers. I don't know what's up with half the City fans, really I don't.

That's true, but look at his record away from City. In his permanent positions:

1. Southampton win percentage: 21.4%
2. Hull City win percentage: 35.9%
3. Derby County win percentage: 21.4%
4. OH Leuven win percentage: 41.7%

It's not as rosy as some would have others believe, Puel (who around 90% now want out) has a win percentage of 36.4%, and people have been acting like this has been one of the worst appointment in recent history! Only at Leicester in his two stints has Pearson really accomplished anything, and our main backroom staff are different to who they used to be, with many of his players now having moved on. Appointing him again is probably more of a risk than it's worth.

 

And frankly, I'd also consider a manager with such a short fuse as Pearson as more of a detriment than a positive (not saying you have an opinion on it, it's just that so many people see this as a good reason to get him back, bizarrely), even if it is funny.

Edited 9 May 2018 by Beechey

[Bob Hazels shorts]

Great call for DOF

 

His CV is a mile long and his legacy won us the league and has given us a sound infrastructure

 

Rudkin ran the line on Vicky Park, irritated the parents and players alike in the academy and fast tracked to DOF

[Donut]

I would support Pearson 100% and im sure he would do a better job than what we are seeing now.

 

But I also wouldn't want him to oversee the club moving forward past at most 1 season of consolidation.

 

I think we can do better and should aim for better. Pearson's career is also in not so much a downward trajectory, but its stock is low.

 

Most of the old guard have to go, Vardy aside. They are a constant let down to the supporters and their team mates, with what has become a lack of ability, a lack of quality, mistakes, age. I would prefer someone else to rebuild the side and instil a better footballing culture.

 

And honestly, ill probably get down reputationed as well, but I want a manager who has an engaging, likeable public persona as well, to be the figurehead of the club. I don't want a guy that you laugh at in a cringed embarrasement when he calls a journalist an ostrich or loses his rag every time he is asked a question he doesn't like. Pearson has this behind the scenes, so there's absolutely no reason to be a thundercunt to everyone else in the media.

 

 

And I want the owners to send a clear message, that all the dressing room nonsense will not be accepted. You will not just get your own way when you decide to be idiots, you're the ones that are going. I hope for once, we are the club that makes this stand. You'll work with who we appoint and do so professionally, or you can absolutely **** off.

 

They've made a rod for their own backs with this one because they've shown in spells what they can do with new managers, and then when things go wrong slightly, they use it as their perfect get out tool. This manager does things a little different. I cant understand this manager. Blah blah. Enough of this total shit, get out.

 

So its for that reason that appointing the same manager for a third time will make them look desperate and weak, particularly when they binned a more successful manager in Ranieri to go possibly back to a manager they've already sacked, makes me think it wont happen.

 

I think there is also an element of me not wanting to see Pearson's great legacy tarnished by a possible poor season next season. We are on a downward trajectory needing a new direction. The same direction and a lack of success could make things turn sour in the support I think, and he doesn't deserve that.

 

 

 

 

[Chico1958]

To be fair I could've voted either way

 

However I did vote no............. his legacy is there for all to see

 

Let sleeping dogs lie

 

'Let sleeping dogs lie' derives from the long-standing observation that dogs are often unpredictable when they are suddenly disturbed.

 

For me it's, get someone in who won't put up with BS and concentrate on moving us from 10 to 6 or 7

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, EnglishOxide said:

Finishes under Pearson:

 

14/15 Premier League: 14th

13/14 Championship: 1st

12/13 Championship: 6th

11/12 Championship: 9th (12th when he joined)

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09/10 Championship: 5th

08/09 League One: 1st

 

 

See a pattern here? I do, and 'going backwards' isn't it.

 

You wouldn't see such a percentage of other fans show such blatant disregard for their legendary managers. I don't know what's up with half the City fans, really I don't.

Great point, the fact we are only 4 points away from 14th now after dumping nearly 70m on players as well... some of our fan base are baffling

Edited 9 May 2018 by whoareyaaa

[Beliall]

No. We need to stop ****ing about with middle of the road managers and get someone with a proven record of winning trophies and getting into europe. stop overspending on players and cheaping out on managers, and do the opposite instead

[MrSpaM]

I couldn't see him finishing any higher in the table than we are now so it's a no from me

[hackneyfox]

2 hours ago, dylanlegend said:

 

 

I dont see what we have to lose to be honest? If he does well then great, if he does bad then we won't have to have this discussion again 

Well we could be relegated.

Do you honestly think that Sharpe's Fox and the rest of the biscuit boys will ever fall out of love with him?

[inckley fox]

2 hours ago, Beechey said:

That's true, but look at his record away from City. In his permanent positions:

1. Southampton win percentage: 21.4%
2. Hull City win percentage: 35.9%
3. Derby County win percentage: 21.4%
4. OH Leuven win percentage: 41.7%

It's not as rosy as some would have others believe, Puel (who around 90% now want out) has a win percentage of 36.4%, and people have been acting like this has been one of the worst appointment in recent history! Only at Leicester in his two stints has Pearson really accomplished anything, and our main backroom staff are different to who they used to be, with many of his players now having moved on. Appointing him again is probably more of a risk than it's worth.

 

And frankly, I'd also consider a manager with such a short fuse as Pearson as more of a detriment than a positive (not saying you have an opinion on it, it's just that so many people see this as a good reason to get him back, bizarrely), even if it is funny.

 

Those win percentages are very misleading! Apart from the fact that win percentages tell you very little (see O'Neill vs. Puel and Sven, for instance) at Southampton he halted a drastic slump in form and kept them up, which was what he'd been tasked with doing, at our expense. Their fans were disappointed by his sacking and if they weren't, they should have been because they went down a year later.

 

At Hull he was widely praised for putting the brakes on their decline, slashing their wage bill and restructuring a recently relegated side, laying the foundations for their next promotion. His spell was considered a success, just like his spell at Southampton.

 

At Derby he was fired within a few months. Had Leicester done this, when he was struggling in early 2012, we'd never have won the league.

 

His two spells at Leicester - five and a half seasons - account for the majority of his managerial career. Other than at Leicester he's only ever managed a full season at, unless I'm mistaken, Hull - once. So naturally people should judge him more on this than on his other, briefer, but still largely successful spells at other clubs.

Edited 9 May 2018 by inckley fox

[inckley fox]

26 minutes ago, MrSpaM said:

I couldn't see him finishing any higher in the table than we are now so it's a no from me

Based on what. Gut instinct? He never had a realistic chance, not with us or anyone else, to prove otherwise. The side he formed and left behind did alright though, if you want clues.

[RutlanderFox]

Based on the comments (not the poll) I would seem to be in the minority but I’d have him back in a heartbeat. We were progressing and going places with him and I believe we’d have definitely got top half or maybe a European push under him the next season and I was devastated when he left and let’s not forget he went for non-footballing reasons as well. However it was a good thing that he left in the end because Ranieri came in and we all know what happened next! We have been going backwards since then and I don’t see Pearson doing any worse than our last 2 managers or second season Ranieri. I don’t see why people don’t think we’ll progress under him because we were before and he eventually showed to be competent in the Premier League in what was essentially his first full season in it. The off the pitch stuff I genuinely believe was done to a certain extent to ease the pressure off his players and certainly to protect them (although he could’ve controlled himself better at times) and we never saw these outbursts in the championship (apart from with Stringer but who really has time for that man anyway). Also if the players loved him so much it was because he commanded respect and if you can get your players busting  their guts for you every week then you clearly have excellent man management skills while he would also take no shit either (ask St. Ledger and Albrighton for the majority of 2014/15).

 

Granted the squad is different since he left but don’t forget when he came back in 2011 the squad was even more different to when he left in comparison to now (in a shorter time away as well) and he had a squad which was as far from a squad containing “his characters” as possible but in that first season we did ok as he even got the best out of players like Beckford and Danns! To people saying he will favour his old favourites again if he comes back are also wrong because when he returned first time Gallagher, Wellens, Howard and Oakley didn’t get anywhere near as many opportunities as they did first time around if any at all. He made the changes he wanted and allowed us to progress and I believe he can do the same again. I’d probably only consider him if Shakespeare and Walsh return though

[Fox92]

I absolutely admire the man for what he did with our club, he has my respect and I've met him many times before games and everytime he's been great.

 

BUT I don't want him now. He has a good legacy here and is rightly credited with a lot of stuff here so I don't want him to come, get sacked and ruin that. Never ruin a legacy.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

I'll smile at you......because I can afford to smile at you.

[Izzy]

The wording of this is quite important I reckon.

 

"Would you have NP back?".....well yes, I would have him back if all other options failed.

 

"Do you want NP back?"....well no, not really because I think we can do better.

[chicagofox]

I despair at 48% of people. Anybody who clicked yes is insane.

[Donut]

1 minute ago, chicagofox said:

I despair at 48% of people. Anybody who clicked yes is insane.

52% of the people have spoken.

 

Its like brexit all over again.

[Dan]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

AAAAAARRRRGGGHHH

 

Do other clubs fans clamour so much for previous managers over and over again like we do? O'Neill for years and now Pearson. Don't you realise that if teams constantly looked to the past that none of them would ever progress?

 

I know there's an argument for what Pearson built here, he was a proper manager with us and anybody who doesn't give what he did the respect it deserves should be straight in the sea. However, how many times can you keep going back cap in hand trying to rekindle something? It smacks of desperation. Sadly, the bafoons at our club probably don't have the capability of appointing somebody else to build the next dynasty here and bringing him back for a 3rd time might be wiser than giving it some oink like they have with Puel. So much has now changed though for both us and Pearson. He's had a horrible few years, arguably he's nothing without Shakespeare and Walsh (I know both could be available again if the band were to be put back together) and what's he left with here? Most of his old cronies we are desperate to be fcuked off like Morgan, King, Huth, Simpson etc. 

 

This club needs to stop looking back, I'd rip the fcuker apart with a brave and innovative manager, a new competent DOF (ideally chosen with the new manager in mind) and a new recruitment director and a better regime within the academy. I'd tell any player who is resistent to change and thinks we should be doing what we did a few years ago to sod off, that includes Vardy, Kasper and Mahrez. 

 

It's time for a new era, we've had an incredible past decade of ups and downs. We are heading for a down again though and we shouldn't accept our fate by continuing to make horrendous decisions and wasting obscene amounts of money in the process. There's a common theme right now amongst a lot of this and it's coming from the top downwards. The executives at this club have got to fcukin go. 

 

I'd agree with this as someone who is a huge fan of Pearson. I'd look elsewhere.

 

My worry, however, is we do bodge it up again.

 

And if we do, then I'd have him back. He could rebuild it for us again. He's done it twice.

[TheUltimateWinner]

I'd have him back

 

Love the bloke but I don't think he'd be the best appointment in our current circumstances. If he came back I'd be happy, but I still think a new visionary like Rafa would be the best appointment. Don't know how realistic that is though.

 

If it came to it and we ended up exhausting our options like last summer and start looking at Puel style appointments, of course I'd much rather us have Pearson. 

 

I don't think we'll be able to tout the type of manager most want, so Pearson would be a good, likely appointment. 

Edited 9 May 2018 by TheUltimateWinner

[brucey]

The most important question in all of this, of course, is would Pearson himself be willing to come back?

[Donut]

Just now, brucey said:

The most important question in all of this, of course, is would Pearson himself be willing to come back?

Yeah, because otherwise his career isn't going to go anywhere.

 

Its a big step up from the Belgian nothing league and might restore his career.

[inckley fox]

17 minutes ago, RutlanderFox said:

Based on the comments (not the poll) I would seem to be in the minority but I’d have him back in a heartbeat. We were progressing and going places with him and I believe we’d have definitely got top half or maybe a European push under him the next season and I was devastated when he left and let’s not forget he went for non-footballing reasons as well. However it was a good thing that he left in the end because Ranieri came in and we all know what happened next! We have been going backwards since then and I don’t see Pearson doing any worse than our last 2 managers or second season Ranieri. I don’t see why people don’t think we’ll progress under him because we were before and he eventually showed to be competent in the Premier League in what was essentially his first full season in it. The off the pitch stuff I genuinely believe was done to a certain extent to ease the pressure off his players and certainly to protect them (although he could’ve controlled himself better at times) and we never saw these outbursts in the championship (apart from with Stringer but who really has time for that man anyway). Also if the players loved him so much it was because he commanded respect and if you can get your players busting  their guts for you every week then you clearly have excellent man management skills while he would also take no shit either (ask St. Ledger and Albrighton for the majority of 2014/15).

 

Granted the squad is different since he left but don’t forget when he came back in 2011 the squad was even more different to when he left in comparison to now (in a shorter time away as well) and he had a squad which was as far from a squad containing “his characters” as possible but in that first season we did ok as he even got the best out of players like Beckford and Danns! To people saying he will favour his old favourites again if he comes back are also wrong because when he returned first time Gallagher, Wellens, Howard and Oakley didn’t get anywhere near as many opportunities as they did first time around if any at all. He made the changes he wanted and allowed us to progress and I believe he can do the same again. I’d probably only consider him if Shakespeare and Walsh return though

I think the poll indicates a lot of people are considering other options first, rather than that they wouldn't be happy to see Pearson back. I wondered to myself 'does YES mean he's my first choice, or that I'd be happy to have him back?' so I suppose others felt the same.

 

Some of the comments, on the other hand, are absurd. Whoever it is who said that most clubs treat their great managers with more respect and pride than we do is right. If some people are so dismissive of (or at times, weirdly, bitter about) what happened between 2008 and 2015, and how that impacted on 2016, then they don't deserve success because they don't recognise what it is or what causes it to happen.

 

And yes, obviously he's demonstrated that he doesn't need to inherit his own players in order to be successful. We should all know that.

 

There would be huge advantages to appointing him. He may not have had a serious chance at finishing high up the PL but he's fulfilled expectations in this league in a way which Silva and Wagner are yet to do, and this was three years rather than a decade ago. He's also put together a side which ended up winning this league, which has to count for something. He'll know over half of the squad well, whereas most candidates would need to study all of their options at a time when recruitment is going to be important. There are one or two key players - Vardy for instance - who may well consider their futures this summer, but most probably wouldn't if he returned, so it could slam the brakes on a complete dissolution of the squad.

 

That said, Pearson may well still want to appraise all of his players, were he to return. He hasn't tended to move people on without taking a good look at them first, so there are 10 or 11 players knocking around who have wasted their first, second, third chances at the club, and may find themselves with an unwarranted fourth chance under Pearson. Whether we have time for this, I don't know, and whether he still has the same drive and knowledge of the EPL I don't know either.

[lestajigs]

6 hours ago, Koke said:

Pro:

 

- he knows the club and knows how to rebuild it

- fans love him for the most part and are willing to give him time.

- he would not tolerate players throwing their dummy out

 

Cons

 

- He's done nothing of note since leaving us 3 years ago

- Our ambition is Europa League. Unsure if he's capable of that.

 

I'm leaning towards No but would 100% support him and give him time if he came back.

 

Very sensible post 

[Donut]

3 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

I think the poll indicates a lot of people are considering other options first, rather than that they wouldn't be happy to see Pearson back. I wondered to myself 'does YES mean he's my first choice, or that I'd be happy to have him back?' so I suppose others felt the same.

 

Some of the comments, on the other hand, are absurd. Whoever it is who said that most clubs treat their great managers with more respect and pride than we do is right. If some people are so dismissive of (or at times, weirdly, bitter about) what happened between 2008 and 2015, and how that impacted on 2016, then they don't deserve success because they don't recognise what it is or what causes it to happen.

 

And yes, obviously he's demonstrated that he doesn't need to inherit his own players in order to be successful. We should all know that.

 

There would be huge advantages to appointing him. He may not have had a serious chance at finishing high up the PL but he's fulfilled expectations in this league in a way which Silva and Wagner are yet to do, and this was three years rather than a decade ago. He's also put together a side which ended up winning this league, which has to count for something. He'll know over half of the squad well, whereas most candidates would need to study all of their options at a time when recruitment is going to be important. There are one or two key players - Vardy for instance - who may well consider their futures this summer, but most probably wouldn't if he returned, so it could slam the brakes on a complete dissolution of the squad.

 

That said, Pearson may well still want to appraise all of his players, were he to return. He hasn't tended to move people on without taking a good look at them first, so there are 10 or 11 players knocking around who have wasted their first, second, third chances at the club, and may find themselves with an unwarranted fourth chance under Pearson. Whether we have time for this, I don't know, and whether he still has the same drive and knowledge of the EPL I don't know either.

I think this is the best post to sum up my feelings. Excellent

[brucey]

2 minutes ago, Donut said:

Yeah, because otherwise his career isn't going to go anywhere.

 

Its a big step up from the Belgian nothing league and might restore his career.

From his interviews after he got the OHL job, he said that he had always wanted to work overseas, and was enjoying the nature and Belgian hills. I'm sure he's also much happier not having to deal with the English press. Not saying he wouldn't come back, especially if the players begged him to and we throw money at him, but I don't think he'd be that desperate to return here if offered the job. I think some people have implied there's personal (family?) reasons for him not coming back as well.

[FoxFossil]

5 hours ago, Ted Maul said:

If he can get the old band back together. 

The Blues Brothers?