Ninth

[CosbehFox]

26 minutes ago, Phube said:

 

Well this analysis (comprehensive as it is) makes no sense. Points in individual seasons mean nothing... only position.

 

Or have Man U had a better season this year than their treble winning season (79 - 81 points)?

 

Or Tottenham had a better season last year than us in 2016 (86 - 81 points)?

Add to that the past two premier league seasons have been dominated by six clubs - so far ahead of the rest, so general points tallies aren’t the best comparison to use. 

Edited 14 May 2018 by Cardiff_Fox

[MC Prussian]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

I suspect that @MC Prussianis the exception that proves the rule - expectations are generally too high. A brief scan shows comments such as 'games we should have pissed', and at best that kind of comment is naive, simply because any football follower should expect the unexpected - it ranks alongside some Londoner dismissing our title charge with 'Leicester are nobodies - you do the maths', which was insulting, and hilariously wrong, as we all know. Similarly, comments about finishing below Burnley being 'embarrassing' are cheap, rude, and massively hypocritical, given how much so many of us resent how the super-rich teams' fans sneered and probably still sneer at our title win.

 

My thoughts on what happened this season are that, once we were (to all intents and purposes) safe, I think CP decided that, although results are always preferable, they weren't going to be the be-all and end-all, thus he fiddled with line-ups and tactics, whilst having to (it would appear) dance a fine political line with one or two old hands, to try and learn as much as possible. This was a risk, of course, given that fans only really see the matches and no context or background other than those rumours we get fed, accurate or otherwise.

 

We fans are, by and large, result merchants - we demand home wins in 75% of fixtures and expect a competitive effort against the other 25%, and anything less gets the bird. I'm not slating that or putting myself above it, either. I'm simply trying to point out that there may well be complex and hidden reasons for all sorts that goes on.

I've replied to @shen before when I pondered such a scenario.

But what you're implying here is that the manager threw away a big part of the season and a chance of playing in the Europa League for the sake of experimenting with the squad during an ongoing campaign, just so he could get a picture of the capabilities of said squad.

Not only do I find that rather unforgivable (because that's what a pre-season is good for), but it'd also require the assistance and knowledge of several people at the club, all being part of some sort of... well, you could call it "conspiracy".

 

Sounds too suspect and unlikely to me.

 

I agree with the notion that the manager isn't solely at fault, and that many mistakes and events have come together to make the second part of this season a rather unpleasant experience.

[CosbehFox]

4 minutes ago, Golden Fox said:

I agree at the extremes: if there is something at stake, such as winning the league or relegation, then the points become largely irrelevant (although Man City's quest for 100 points shows there is still more to it than just finishing position), but in the middle ground, I think looking at how many games you have won or lost (as well as finishing position) is a pretty good measure as to whether season has been successful or not. If we are looking back at how well we did this year, the fact we won 12 games and lost 15 doesn't sound that successful to me...

The game lost column isn’t the best measure as it stands to be honest. The PL is dominated by six clubs, if those teams beat you home and away. That’s 12 losses there alone if you discount those games and say anything gained otherwise is a bonus. You have 26 games to pick up points. 12 wins exactly a third - so it’s all pretty relative and mediocre as you’d expect. 

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, MC Prussian said:

I've replied to @shen before when I pondered such a scenario.

But what you're implying here is that the manager threw away a big part of the season and a chance of playing in the Europa League for the sake of experimenting with the squad during an ongoing campaign, just so he could get a picture of the capabilities of said squad.

Not only do I find that rather unforgivable (because that's what a pre-season is good for), but it'd also require the assistance and knowledge of several people at the club, all being part of some sort of... well, you could call it "conspiracy".

 

Sounds too suspect and unlikely to me.

 

I agree with the notion that the manager isn't solely at fault, and that many mistakes and events have come together to make the second part of this season a rather unpleasant experience.

The difference here is in the language you and I choose to use - I never said 'threw away', nor did I think he went out to not win - more that he may have considered some poor results a price he could afford for finding out exactly what was what, and I would argue that pre-season is so much phoney war in that regard too. Now, it is only a theory, and I'm quite prepared to be proven wrong too.

 

However, hopefully you'd admit it is far preferable to the many 'he's a clueless French fraud' lines of 'argument' on offer.

[shen]

1 minute ago, MC Prussian said:

I've replied to @shen before when I pondered such a scenario.

But what you're implying here is that the manager threw away a big part of the season and a chance of playing in the Europa League for the sake of experimenting with the squad during an ongoing campaign, just so he could get a picture of the capabilities of said squad.

Not only do I find that rather unforgivable (because that's what a pre-season is good for), but it'd also require the assistance and knowledge of several people at the club, all being part of some sort of... well, you could call it "conspiracy".

 

Sounds too suspect and unlikely to me.

 

I agree with the notion that the manager isn't solely at fault, and that many mistakes and events have come together to make the second part of this season a rather unpleasant experience.

It's all speculation either way, but playing the devil's advocate: Why do you think that experimentation automatically means you're "throwing away" games?

Surely, the evidence we'd seen for over a season was that settling for the rigid 4-4-2 was regressive.

He might well have meant to maximise our chances of results by making us more unpredictable and develop more tools to negotiate different kinds of games.

 

Besides, if he waits with experiments until pre-season, he won't really have a good idea of how the current squad fares in actual competitive matches until the window is about to shut.

If we agree that the Europa League isn't a major financial draw to a Premier League team (unless you win it), then is it really such an "unforgiveable" thing to to do anyway?

[MC Prussian]

4 minutes ago, shen said:

It's all speculation either way, but playing the devil's advocate: Why do you think that experimentation automatically means you're "throwing away" games?

Surely, the evidence we'd seen for over a season was that settling for the rigid 4-4-2 was regressive.

He might well have meant to maximise our chances of results by making us more unpredictable and develop more tools to negotiate different kinds of games.

 

Besides, if he waits with experiments until pre-season, he won't really have a good idea of how the current squad fares in actual competitive matches until the window is about to shut.

If we agree that the Europa League isn't a major financial draw to a Premier League team (unless you win it), then is it really such an "unforgiveable" thing to to do anyway?

It's more a case of experimenting with the squad for the sake of it, irrespective of the results that ensue.

 

It'd mean Puel telling his players to hold off on purpose and passing it around left, right and center, approach the opposing box, but not knowing what to do with the ball on the few final yards (usually for the first half of a game), then put in a more attacking display during the second half.

 

In most cases, we were often already 1-0 or two nil down during that barren spell between February and May, with our reaction usually being too little, too late.

Sacrificing results for experimentation/observation? How cruel on the supporters and the players.

[daverollo]

7 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

It's more a case of experimenting with the squad for the sake of it, irrespective of the results that ensue.

 

It'd mean Puel telling his players to hold off on purpose and passing it around left, right and center, approach the opposing box, but not knowing what to do with the ball on the few final yards (usually for the first half of a game), then put in a more attacking display during the second half.

 

In most cases, we were often already 1-0 or two nil down during that barren spell between February and May, with our reaction usually being too little, too late.

Sacrificing results for experimentation/observation?[\b] How cruel on the supporters and the players.

 

More a case of seeing which players he has will be up to the standard he wants.  James, King, Slim, Hamer, All given a fair chance to impress and in Hamers case see if he was worthy of a new contract, which hopefully has proven he is not.

 

You could argue he has also given more established big characters plenty of game time, Morgan, Simpson, Albrighton, Okazaki, to see if they are up to the standard required. I expect they’ll be phased out from regular first team action next season and if we’re lucky sold on and off the wage bill.

 

vive la revolution 

[MC Prussian]

7 hours ago, daverollo said:

 

More a case of seeing which players he has will be up to the standard he wants.  James, King, Slim, Hamer, All given a fair chance to impress and in Hamers case see if he was worthy of a new contract, which hopefully has proven he is not.

 

You could argue he has also given more established big characters plenty of game time, Morgan, Simpson, Albrighton, Okazaki, to see if they are up to the standard required. I expect they’ll be phased out from regular first team action next season and if we’re lucky sold on and off the wage bill.

 

vive la revolution 

How is James supposed to impress Puel after missing 14 of our first 19 matches this season, and then getting injured again in March?

How is King supposed to impress Puel on the basis of four matches under Puel, two of those as a substitute?

How is Slimani supposed to impress Puel after playing a grand total of ten minutes in three matches in November, then playing three more times in late December/early January, twice no more than 15 minutes each? Slimani plays a full 90 minutes against Huddersfield, scoring a goal in the process and later into the month gets loaned out to Newcastle, with Puel then persisting in our wingers and full-backs putting crosses into the opposing box, with nobody tall enough to convert from close range?

How is Hamer supposed to impress Puel when Hamer's contract is running out at the end of the season?

 

All this mixing and matching during an ongoing season ought to stop at one point, you want routine and an established starting XI to build upon. I know that injuries have played into it, but we were at no point that desperate to switch players around on such a constant basis. It's confusing the players and the fans more than anything. Best players for the best position.

 

Going with the reference, the French Revolution also ended in bloodshed and chaos, and gave the world Napoleon Bonaparte...

Edited 15 May 2018 by MC Prussian

[Trav Le Bleu]

On 13/05/2018 at 17:24, Tuna said:

After that awful game at Bournemouth and with clueless Shakey in charge, I expected nothing less than relegation.

So to finish 9th is great on paper, but to finish 10 points behind Burnley and fail to overtake them when they didn't win for months was just not good enough.

 

To fail repeatedly against relegation fodder at home and gift wrap points to the likes of West Ham, Newcastle, Stoke, Southampton, Swansea, Bournemouth and Crystal Palace was not good enough.

 

7th place was ours for the taking if we wanted it, I wanted European football next season and we just simply let it fall through our fingers.

I wanted European football next season, but on the flipside, I didn't want qualifying round matches during July in backwater countries that have just discovered "soccer". In many ways I'm glad we didn't finish 7th.

 

That said, with Arsenal's season, 6th was there for the taking.

[KingsX]

Finally a nice, safe, boringly midtable Leicester City Football Club season.

 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

16 hours ago, Golden Fox said:

I think the big issue here is that 9th place is a flattering position, and the 47 points is the better indicator of the season:

 

Just looked at the last 10 years & what 47th points would get you:

08/09 - 11th
09/10 - 11th
10/11 - 10th/11th
11/12 - 10th-12th
12/13 - 9th
13/14 - 11th
14/15 - 11th/12th
15/16 - 11th/12th
16/17 - 8th
17/18 - 9th

 

Apart from 16/17 (where the main beneficiary was a certain Mr Puel), 9th place is flattering, and more often than not, this would be a bottom half finish... if the yardstick is what money have we spent, what resources do we have and what is the quality of our squad, then I can't see 47 points as anything other than a disappointment.

 

The other that has been made is how this stacks up against MON's teams:

Over his 4 years, points tallies were: 

47 (+ league cup), 53, 49 (+ league cup final), 55 (+ league cup)

...all of which outperform this season.

 

I don't think that classes as having delusions of grandeur.

 

This. 

 

How stupid / fickle many fans are! 

 

Im amazed that one win against a 10 man side has turned a 88% out  into a majority in for Puel.

 

Have a look at yourselves - absolutely laughable. ?

 

Have you totally forgot the previous games to that Arsenal game? 

 

18pts from 19 games with the most awful football.

 

Do you really think the last two games are Puel’s football and that’s the way he wants to play?

 

Staggering. 

 

[Guest Col city fan]

1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

This. 

 

How stupid / fickle many fans are! 

 

Im amazed that one win against a 10 man side has turned a 88% out  into a majority in for Puel.

 

Have a look at yourselves - absolutely laughable. ?

 

Have you totally forgot the previous games to that Arsenal game? 

 

18pts from 19 games with the most awful football.

 

Do you really think the last two games are Puel’s football and that’s the way he wants to play?

 

Staggering. 

 

It’s not staggering....it’s.......foxes.......talk

I’ve seen this for years on here. It’s the fickleness of football fans, encapsulated into a forum

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

This. 

 

How stupid / fickle many fans are! 

 

Im amazed that one win against a 10 man side has turned a 88% out  into a majority in for Puel.

 

Have a look at yourselves - absolutely laughable. ?

 

Have you totally forgot the previous games to that Arsenal game? 

 

18pts from 19 games with the most awful football.

 

Do you really think the last two games are Puel’s football and that’s the way he wants to play?

 

Staggering. 

 

You can play the fickle card, but anyone can play that, just depends on how far back you want to go.

 

As in, at the start of the season you'd take 9th, now you're not happy with it.  Fickle.

 

Or, Puel was good and we were doing well, until we hit a bad spell, now he's shit and we need to get rid.  Fickle

 

I remember when we beat Newcastle and I mentioned that we were lucky to win that game with how poor we were defensively.  Was given a bit of stick for that.  But the point is even when we were doing well it was obvious that our defence was a problém, based on our squad, not Puel.  Blaming Puel is counter-productive because it means we will keep diverting attention from the actual issues within the squad.

 

Aaaand, fuch it, if its a disaster come Christmas we'll just get in Allardyce/Moyes/Pardes

[Guest Col city fan]

14 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

You can play the fickle card, but anyone can play that, just depends on how far back you want to go.

 

As in, at the start of the season you'd take 9th, now you're not happy with it.  Fickle.

 

Or, Puel was good and we were doing well, until we hit a bad spell, now he's shit and we need to get rid.  Fickle

 

I remember when we beat Newcastle and I mentioned that we were lucky to win that game with how poor we were defensively.  Was given a bit of stick for that.  But the point is even when we were doing well it was obvious that our defence was a problém, based on our squad, not Puel.  Blaming Puel is counter-productive because it means we will keep diverting attention from the actual issues within the squad.

 

Aaaand, fuch it, if its a disaster come Christmas we'll just get in Allardyce/Moyes/Pardes

My opinion is that appointing the right manager will go a long way to sorting out the issues in the squad.

It’s all speculation anyway, but if it is true that certain players run the team (so to speak), it’s going to need a tough bloke at the helm to stop this from happening. Puel doesn’t cut in, for me, in this respect. Love him or loathe him, a fella like Dyche would sort this out very quickly I suspect. Like Pearson, I imagine he’d take no shite and the players would either ship up or ship out. It would be his way, or the highway.

Puel might be wanting to change how we play, change cultures at the club and all that...and that’s all well and good. But if the players aren’t going to go along with this, it won’t happen. 

I’m still torn to be quite frank. Some of the things Puel has done I’ve nodded my head at, other things I’ve found bewildering. Continuing to play Big Wes, for one.

 

ps. There is no ‘fickle card’ being played. As others have said, for minds to change, so radically, after one win against a ten man team, is staggering.

Edited 15 May 2018 by Col city fan

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

My opinion is that appointing the right manager will go a long way to sorting out the issues in the squad.

It’s all speculation anyway, but if it is true that certain players run the team (so to speak), it’s going to need a tough bloke at the helm to stop this from happening. Puel doesn’t cut in, for me, in this respect. Love him or loathe him, a fella like Dyche would sort this out very quickly I suspect. Like Pearson, I imagine he’d take no shite and the players would either ship up or ship out. It would be his way, or the highway.

Puel might be wanting to change how we play, change cultures at the club and all that...and that’s all well and good. But if the players aren’t going to go along with this, it won’t happen. 

I’m still torn to be quite frank. Some of the things Puel has done I’ve nodded my head at, other things I’ve found bewildering. Continuing to play Big Wes, for one.

I agree that Puel hasnt exactly proven himself regarding those issues this season, but i cant imagine its an easy situation to manage

 

Maybe a different manager would do better with these players, maybe not.

 

 But it could be the owners backing Puel despite his differences with some of the squad will do more to opposing the player power culture than sacking him would. 

[CosbehFox]

For me it’s obvious that there’s solely one reason he’s kept playing Morgan and that’s not to breach the peace regards the captain/‘player power’ issue. 

[Beechey]

2 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

This. 

 

How stupid / fickle many fans are! 

 

Im amazed that one win against a 10 man side has turned a 88% out  into a majority in for Puel.

 

Have a look at yourselves - absolutely laughable. ?

 

Have you totally forgot the previous games to that Arsenal game? 

 

18pts from 19 games with the most awful football.

 

Do you really think the last two games are Puel’s football and that’s the way he wants to play?

 

Staggering. 

 

In the similar vein, two losses turned a 60% majority in to an 88% majority out. Most people I imagine were reluctantly voting for him to go and these last two games have pushed them back onto the fence. That's not being fickle, it's being pragmatic. I don't envy the people that make up their mind and then no matter what, will never seek to alter their opinion in any circumstances.

 

Persisting with Puel is a risk, as is sacking him. Season is over so our voices mean absolutely nothing now, it's up to the owners.

Edited 15 May 2018 by Beechey

[Golden Fox]

10 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

The game lost column isn’t the best measure as it stands to be honest. The PL is dominated by six clubs, if those teams beat you home and away. That’s 12 losses there alone if you discount those games and say anything gained otherwise is a bonus. You have 26 games to pick up points. 12 wins exactly a third - so it’s all pretty relative and mediocre as you’d expect. 

Is this serious? We go out onto the pitch expecting to lose 12 games? This season, maybe I can buy that argument against a Man City team with 32 wins, but the rest? We beat Spurs & Arsenal at home & were beating both away. We drew with Man U & Chelsea, and were beating Liverpool away. Just because the media spouts this myth of the "Big 6" doesn't mean we have to believe it. (For years, it was the Big 4 with the same teams always getting into the CL so these things change).

 

However, if you were to discount those 12 games, our record would be won 10, drew 9 and lost 7. 1.5 points per game: not terrible, but not great. The big problem is that the 8th of those wins came on 20th January, and its been pretty poor since...

[norwichfox]

19 hours ago, lancyclaret said:

Burnley faded badly - the 60-point barrier should have been broken.

Trying to work out what this thread has to do with Burnley . Is your forum so bad that you need to post that on here?

 

 

As to our 9th position, I'm OK with that although it could have been so much better. Something has to change if we are to progress...and I'd start with Rudkin out.

Edited 15 May 2018 by norwichfox

[Bossman Blessed It]

It's what we've always wanted. For years and years, suffering in the Championship and League 1, we could only dream of being a financially secure, top 10 Premier League team. Our club has probably been given the most incredible stroke of luck in the combination of exactly the right owners, managers and players we needed to build a miracle. In the days where the biggest excitement we had in years was signing Gareth Williams from Forest, we couldn't have dreamed of landing international quality such as Iborra and Silva. We have a squad that is definitely better than at least 11 of the other clubs in the league and we look set to push for a top 7 finish next year. 

Consistency is a slow process. It took Tottenham years and years of finishing in the top half of the table for them to build a side capable of challenging the top 4. What's more, they're still absolutely miles off winning it, which is something we've already done. Ninth in the league is not a bad finish by any stretch. We've had some ups and downs and perhaps next year we will properly challenge in one of the domestic cups. 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

55 minutes ago, Beechey said:

In the similar vein, two losses turned a 60% majority in to an 88% majority out. Most people I imagine were reluctantly voting for him to go and these last two games have pushed them back onto the fence. That's not being fickle, it's being pragmatic. I don't envy the people that make up their mind and then no matter what, will never seek to alter their opinion in any circumstances.

 

Persisting with Puel is a risk, as is sacking him. Season is over so our voices mean absolutely nothing now, it's up to the owners.

 

Making up your mind when the bloke has had over 35 games, isn’t an issue for me! 

 

Im not sitting here scared to have an opinion; it’s only an Internet forum ffs.

 

I said in January he wasn’t up to much and we’d do well to win a game here or there after his handling of Mahrez.

 

If, perish the thought, we do keep him and turns out to be a world beater I will say I was wrong. 

 

I’ll say again before beating a side with 10 men his record was worse than Shakes? Not sure exactly but come on...

 

My assessment is that these last two games he chucked out his bullshit one shot on target a game possession style and just said ‘go and play’. 

 

‘Philosophy’ totally out of the window.

 

It was shit or bust for him, and it may have worked for him but will he really change his persona and football style at his age? 

 

Even if he does, it just shows what  a useless **** he’s been. We’ve know for years we are better with a pacey, high tempo game with the players we have.

 

I fear the hierarchy have no idea what they are doing as evidenced by the last two appointments, so they will probably keep him, and we will lose our best players because they know he’s not got what it takes.

 

?

Edited 15 May 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[fuchsntf]

On 13/05/2018 at 18:21, foxfanazer said:

I’d say 7th or 8th would’ve been par so we’re not far off. I suppose it’s more the nature of it that’s disappointing but it isn’t the crisis some would have you believe 

Is Par, that new  modern ,wonderous word for arrogant expected entitlement.

What one would Like,or want aint Par,because we have Not shown any consistency,

That gives us an earned avg guarrantee.

I am Ambitions lIke the Next man,but twists and Turns of other "also-rans" 

I'll still Keep to 40pts and plus,then See what we can achieve. 

Over 38 Games,we shout our title year was earned all Hands Up Purely  on that record achieved

within that criterium of Player Games.

So any use of Par, is trying to Bring expectation,and entitlement to requirements.

Me ..17th, then start to believe,and Take on every single season the new Journey.

Some Players decided they we're more Important than Gameday Performances,so

Measure of Par, Just presents a few Scratched Cards..

 

 

[fuchsntf]

On 15/05/2018 at 00:27, MC Prussian said:

How is James supposed to impress Puel after missing 14 of our first 19 matches this season, and then getting injured again in March?

How is King supposed to impress Puel on the basis of four matches under Puel, two of those as a substitute?

How is Slimani supposed to impress Puel after playing a grand total of ten minutes in three matches in November, then playing three more times in late December/early January, twice no more than 15 minutes each? Slimani plays a full 90 minutes against Huddersfield, scoring a goal in the process and later into the month gets loaned out to Newcastle, with Puel then persisting in our wingers and full-backs putting crosses into the opposing box, with nobody tall enough to convert from close range?

How is Hamer supposed to impress Puel when Hamer's contract is running out at the end of the season?

 

All this mixing and matching during an ongoing season ought to stop at one point, you want routine and an established starting XI to build upon. I know that injuries have played into it, but we were at no point that desperate to switch players around on such a constant basis. It's confusing the players and the fans more than anything. Best players for the best position.

 

Going with the reference, the French Revolution also ended in bloodshed and chaos, and gave the world Napoleon Bonaparte...

 

Like many,Like me WE assume,we presume,then decide to think Out possible scenarios and Post

what and how we See If from our own individual perspectives,with many mitigating circumstances.

 

Puel Determination to Go through the Squad,

Some Players would give him at First  easy descisions,who Show him:-

 

They Play and show commitment to His Gameday, Game positioning and movement,

Individual or teaming Up...

Who He believes has Potential,nomatter what Errors mistakes they May make

then others who He believes Just wont fit, mainly 1st on character.off/on field.

Not from our View but His own.

 

Then His choice of selection,with slight twists and change over 2-4 Game Period.

Actually believing His selections would give Basic honest Performances,true to

their potential,and His Trust.....Here I am Sure He was gobsmacked,Like Ranieri

Despite only  slight Change,the Players had 1-2 good Games,then onfield showed

Miserable failing,Basic skills that He believes they obvious pocessed,in the Next

Group of following Games.

Too many Players Short Not on Skill,but Gameday mental concentration and discipline.

On occasions we saw Puel through many Games encouraging  his Players Forward and shouted

Himself and with Appleton,to Release the ball early,and Not hold of so Long.

On the Radio,and His 2nd TV appearance I think.Appleton even mentioned/admitted in possesion,

our Players were holding too long,and Not releasing quick enough,and when in attacking Play

Not looking for teammates early enough.

I am Sure He was Not Confused,with Errors,but WE Seen a Couple of times,His is Confused,

with Lack of Gameday effort and commitment.Lethargic didnt do it justice in some Games.

 

An Open question,did He want them on a Close rein,concentrating so much on His tactics.

 

Sorry I dont Buy any of it,PL quality Players can still Perform despite tactics from Bench,

ITS the Players AS an whole on Matchday that decide the rythm,WE had a poor midfield

that Just didnt Mesh,and lost easy Balls too often,the whole Takt and rythm Just didnt get

Going.In quite a few games WE Seen it Spark in periods of Games,but Clear  Cut chances

were then Not taken,Losing Games,we should of won even on poor days.

 

So 9th was still a good month,but with open questions

Last season was a poor 12th....

 

If WE went the Everton way, and Allow Forums decide If the Manager should Go.

I would Drift away with my Support,because of wont lead to any positive consequenses.

The Point that Everton actually do have a decent Squad,might give the new Manager,

Something to Play with. Whether the Club wanted big Sam gone,aint the Point,it is/was

the how it Played Out. Lack of Form or class!!! Simples

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 May 2018 by fuchsntf

[foxfanazer]

10 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

Is Par, that new  modern ,wonderous word for arrogant expected entitlement.

What one would Like,or want aint Par,because we have Not shown any consistency,

That gives us an earned avg guarrantee.

I am Ambitions lIke the Next man,but twists and Turns of other "also-rans" 

I'll still Keep to 40pts and plus,then See what we can achieve. 

Over 38 Games,we shout our title year was earned all Hands Up Purely  on that record achieved

within that criterium of Player Games.

So any use of Par, is trying to Bring expectation,and entitlement to requirements.

Me ..17th, then start to believe,and Take on every single season the new Journey.

Some Players decided they we're more Important than Gameday Performances,so

Measure of Par, Just presents a few Scratched Cards..

 

 

I have no idea what you’re on about 

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

I have no idea what you’re on about 

To be fair, nor has he