Jamie Vardy and Riyad Mahrez

[coolhandfox]

4 hours ago, breadandcheese said:

Vardy is a perfect Mourinho signing, so my only worry is him moving there.  Would he displace Lukaku as first choice? Probably not, but he would still play 20+ games for United due to rotation and some European football, which might be enough to turn Vardy's head now that other Leicester players are moving on. 

Not convinced, he needs to win the league or Champions League, I think he will be shopping big this summer.

 

 

[Heathrow fox]

4 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

 

Maybe, but it's high risk for Vardy, think of the big club's and their strike forces, and does he fit, unless he wants to play second fiddle and sit on the bench.

 

Man City, can buy who they want, no way is Vardy at the top of their list.

 

Liverpool,  no chance

 

Man U, Jose only wants to play one man upfront who's a target man, so he'd be a bench warmer.

 

Tottenham, never play two up top, so unless they sell Kane, he'd be a bench  warmer.

 

Arsenal, spent 100 million on strikers last season, unlikely.

 

I could only see Chelsea or maybe Everton at a push, both more then likely changing managers, so depends on them getting someone in who is in interested in him.

 

I just can't see him wanting to sit on a bench after a late start to his career, as long as we pay him what he believes his worth can't see him leaving.

I wonder if his head would be turned by a counter attacking continental team.I can see golden bollocks having a bad World Cup and Vardy having 10 touches,scoring 4 and setting 3 up.I would be devastated if he left,with him we have hope whoever the manager is.Hes only allowed to leave for Sheffield Wednesday when he gets to about 35ish.

[coolhandfox]

13 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

I wonder if his head would be turned by a counter attacking continental team.I can see golden bollocks having a bad World Cup and Vardy having 10 touches,scoring 4 and setting 3 up.I would be devastated if he left,with him we have hope whoever the manager is.Hes only allowed to leave for Sheffield Wednesday when he gets to about 35ish.

Unless it's one of the big Continental team I can't see it, such is the financial power of PL.

[the fox]

Elite company!

 

 

[stox259]

On 13/05/2018 at 19:20, bmouth_fox said:

So thankful I am an age where I have been able to fully appreciate these two. 

 

I’m sure we can buy someone pretty tasty with the money we’ll get for Mahrez, but obviously unlikely to replace his “qualitee” and “intensitee”.

 

I think and hope Vardy stays. He’d better do as my newly born daughters middle name is Jamie!

Could be worse. I called my lad N’Golo 

[Gordon the Great]

On 13/05/2018 at 18:41, Hammo said:

Our two greatest ever players.

Both absolutely Brilliant.....but you obviously never saw Frankie Wortho, or Keith Weller.....or without doubt the Greatest player to wear a City shirt....SIR Gordon Banks!

[ozleicester]

On 16/05/2018 at 00:08, norwichfox said:

And the understanding between Simpson and Morgan has been Telepathetic....

Well, I have only seen them on TV this year... but its not been THAT bad  

[mozartfox]

1 hour ago, Gordon the Great said:

Both absolutely Brilliant.....but you obviously never saw Frankie Wortho, or Keith Weller.....or without doubt the Greatest player to wear a City shirt....SIR Gordon Banks!

Or Alan Woolett....

[willie-bell-in-rothley]

Just now, mozartfox said:

Or Alan Woolett....

or Lammie Robertson

[daddylonglegs]

3 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Well, I have only seen them on TV this year... but its not been THAT bad  

It's been worse than bad. Defending wise I actually think Simpson showed some of his old traits at Spurs, some really useful headers away and good blocks by Wes. But the link up between the two in terms of being ball playing defenders was absolutely shambolic

[Ian Nacho]

15 hours ago, the fox said:

Elite company!

 

 

Two on the final day as well. 

[Bourbon Fox]

On 13/05/2018 at 17:57, StriderHiryu said:

Optimistically I think that Nacho, Silva and Diabate have added an alternative attacking dimension to our game, but there is literally no way we can replace the VAHREZ combination.

I think in January they moved from VAHREZ to MARDY...

[yes ndidi]

think Ian nacho might come good next season, unless puel can find a good number 10, think man utd will struggle to attract players this year, mainly because Sanchez wages have been put out there, so anyone else intending to go to utd will no doubt want similar, if mahrez goes then I hope its abroad, think it time he went now, hopefully diabete can fill the void, gray 50/50 with me not fussed either way, he needs to be more aware of situations and get his head up more!

[Sampson]

17 hours ago, Gordon the Great said:

Both absolutely Brilliant.....but you obviously never saw Frankie Wortho, or Keith Weller.....or without doubt the Greatest player to wear a City shirt....SIR Gordon Banks!

I saw Frank Worthington and Keith Weller and Vardy and Mahrez are quite a lot better than both of them for me. I don't understand why people can never have opinions on modern players without others saying "You obviously never saw xyz".

 

Nostalgia always clouds judgement and you can feel nostalgia for even horrible times in life when you look back. People only remember past players' good games whereas Vardy and Mahrez' bad games are still in easy memory.

 

People make out Bloomfield's side were this amazing side who played sexy football and for a few spells we were but I think that's some very selective memories and historical revisionism coming into play. We were ultimately still quite a defensive side who used to have a mean defence but never really scored enough under him and were draw specialists (and often low scoring 1-1s 0-0s) - even the season we finished 7th under Bloomfield we only won 13 of our 42 league games - we were always a very erratic and inconsistent or streaky side who turned up every 1 in 4 games or so (and let's be honest, Worthington and Weller were both inconsistent and streaky players, even more so than Mahrez I'd argue and certainly a lot more inconsistent than Vardy). Sometimes Worthington's lack of team ethic was a big hinderemce to us moving forward too. And let's face it, we went on some horrible runs under Bloomfield and were bottom half fodder for most of that time which most people forget. I'm pretty sure our longest run without a win in the club's entire history was under Bloomfield in fact.

 

Edit - That's not to say Worthington and Weller weren't great players, reading back it seems I'm being disparaging of them which I'm not meaning to be, I'm just saying people forget about inconsistency of players the further you go back and it's much easier to remember their good games and forget their bad ones while not doing the same for Vardy or Mahrez - who I do think are quite comfortably better players than Worthington and Weller if I'm honest.

Edited 22 May 2018 by Sampson

[weller54]

On 21/05/2018 at 18:32, the fox said:

Elite company!

 

 

On the international stage Alli to Vardy must be right up there? 

[the fox]

Just now, weller54 said:

On the international stage Alli to Vardy must be right up there? 

Alli will sure get the most "that wasn't meant for you" assists. I can tell you that much

 

[old koppite]

24 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I saw Frank Worthington and Keith Weller and Vardy and Mahrez are quite a lot better than both of them for me. I don't understand why people can never have opinions on modern players without others saying "You obviously never saw xyz".

 

Nostalgia always clouds judgement and you can feel nostalgia for even horrible times in life when you look back. People only remember past players' good games whereas Vardy and Mahrez' bad games are still in easy memory.

 

People make out Bloomfield's side were this amazing side who played sexy football and for a few spells we were but I think that's some very selective memories and historical revisionism coming into play. We were ultimately still quite a defensive side who used to have a mean defence but never really scored enough under him and were draw specialists (and often low scoring 1-1s 0-0s) - even the season we finished 7th under Bloomfield we only won 13 of our 42 league games - we were always a very erratic and inconsistent or streaky side who turned up every 1 in 4 games or so (and let's be honest, Worthington and Weller were both inconsistent and streaky players, even more so than Mahrez I'd argue and certainly a lot more inconsistent than Vardy). Sometimes Worthington's lack of team ethic was a big hinderemce to us moving forward too. And let's face it, we went on some horrible runs under Bloomfield and were bottom half fodder for most of that time which most people forget. I'm pretty sure our longest run without a win in the club's entire history was under Bloomfield in fact.

 

Edit - That's not to say Worthington and Weller weren't great players, reading back it seems I'm being disparaging of them which I'm not meaning to be, I'm just saying people forget about inconsistency of players the further you go back and it's much easier to remember their good games and forget their bad ones while not doing the same for Vardy or Mahrez - who I do think are quite comfortably better players than Worthington and Weller if I'm honest.

 

But you’re falling into the same trap aren’t you? “ Quite comfortably better players “?  Sorry, I saw them both in my youth , and Peter Shilton when he was here, and I disagree that M and V are comfortably better, if it’s logically possible to make such comparisons, which it is not, as the game has changed so much. 

Yes, I am nostalgic, but you’re right we did play sexy football ( and crap as well) , but when we were on form we were equal on the day to the great Liverpool team of the 70s when we played them ( FA cup semis against Keegan and Toshack) , and I’ll never forget when we drew with them at Anfield last day of the season when they were presented with the League Trophy.

It could be argued V and M would never have survived in those days; Wortho probably won’t today as didn’t chase down, Weller would as he could put a hard tackle in and get up and down the right and from his build could have managed today’s training demands.

Anyway, all great players. I don’t think of any of them as being better than each other - just proud they’ve played for us.  

 

 

[Stadt]

Our two best ever. Old bastards can go on about other players that might have wowed fans then but these two were instrumental in our best ever period in our history. In absolute terms other players might have been better but what Vardy and Mahrez have achieved is much more meaningful.

[old koppite]

Well I’ll happily remain an old bastard.

Also, why no mention of Kante? Surely he could be said to be at least as equal, if not more instrumental than V and M in our greatest ever feat? So is he a little bit better than V and M? Kante has certainly had 2 very good seasons since leaving us in a more skilled and high profile team: V and M have not always shined consistently for us since. 

[weller54]

8 hours ago, old koppite said:

But you’re falling into the same trap aren’t you? “ Quite comfortably better players “?  Sorry, I saw them both in my youth , and Peter Shilton when he was here, and I disagree that M and V are comfortably better, if it’s logically possible to make such comparisons, which it is not, as the game has changed so much. 

Yes, I am nostalgic, but you’re right we did play sexy football ( and crap as well) , but when we were on form we were equal on the day to the great Liverpool team of the 70s when we played them ( FA cup semis against Keegan and Toshack) , and I’ll never forget when we drew with them at Anfield last day of the season when they were presented with the League Trophy.

It could be argued V and M would never have survived in those days; Wortho probably won’t today as didn’t chase down, Weller would as he could put a hard tackle in and get up and down the right and from his build could have managed today’s training demands.

Anyway, all great players. I don’t think of any of them as being better than each other - just proud they’ve played for us.  

 

 

Being nostalgic these days isn't what it used to be! 

[ZeGuy]

3 hours ago, Gerbold said:

Take a listen to the Radio Leicester 'City hour' broadcast on Monday (21/05/18) of this week, where a knock-out draw was initiated to decide the best ever CIty player -  there are one or two player statistics which surprised me and might surprise you.

You're absolutely right to state the evolution in fitness and strength has changed the level of football played in this modern era. I'm not sure whether Vardy is a good example of a man taking good care of his body but let that pass - most players (and their clubs) now try to look after themselves/their players.

However, if those players from the past who played for City over the sweep of years had had the benefit of advances in speed and strength training and all that accumulated technical awareness - then you have a level football field on which one could  judge. At the moment you're calling a shovel a 'manual, material transfer device'.

I think Mahrez does stand out as the pinnacle player in Leicester's history - because none of those historical figures emulated (retrospectively) his playing position. Most mentioned were forwards or defensive men. For me, grudgingly (because of his poor, poor commitment to the club), his technical ability has matched most of the outstanding players I've seen over the course of sixty years -  football wide. But his desire and effort has not. I don't believe he'll ever be much more than the bloke who formed a stand-out partnership with Vardy in 2015-2016.

If he moves to a top-flight club this summer then it will be interesting to see how he fares when he's competing for a place against men who combine talent with commitment. Incidentally, Kante was mentioned (and quickly passed over) - but his abilities would, had he stayed, a contender. Indeed his presence might have made the last two seasons more palatable than they have been - but again, it's absolute conjecture.

 

I agree with your post but I think that he'll be remembered for much, much more than that. As the first ever Leicester PFA player being one example.

 

He'll never reach Vardy's status but downplaying what he brought to the club, despite his relative inconsistency, doesn't seem to be fair. His numbers are quite astonishing over the three last seasons when one takes into account that our side wasn't exactly firing the last two years and we're hardly gifted with talented players.

 

The same goes to Vardy whose goal return is absolutely astonishing and is criminally underrated. If both played in any other side of the top 6 they'd make the headlines on a weekly basis imho.

 

I think that both formed an outstanding duo and will remembered not only at the club but also in the (english) football history.

 

It still goes without saying that the best player of the title winning season was Kanté, but his job being less than sexy and him leaving after just one season make people easily overlook his achievements.

Edited 25 May 2018 by ZeGuy

[WigstonWanderer]

I’d like to see Vardy, Mahrez, Ndidi, & Maguire offered new contracts on rates comparable to what they’d get offered elsewhere, to try to nail down our best players. I assume Mahrez wouldn’t accept, but you never know.

 

With these, Pereira and 2 or 3 decent new signings we’d be good to go next season.

[NorthfieldsFox]

 Morata at Chelsea’s bum hairs cost more than these two ! 

 

What a glorious time they gave us 

 

Mahrez goes with my blessing , as he should with everyone’s blessing 

 

 

[st albans fox]

6 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

I’d like to see Vardy, Mahrez, Ndidi, & Maguire offered new contracts on rates comparable to what they’d get offered elsewhere, to try to nail down our best players. I assume Mahrez wouldn’t accept, but you never know.

 

With these, Pereira and 2 or 3 decent new signings we’d be good to go next season.

Id be surprised if any of them accepted prior to the  World Cup. Mahrez won’t need to as he will already be elsewhere