Leicester (p)0-0 Southampton Post Match Thread - 6-5 Win on Penalties

[Nick]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

 

Swan, meet NTML ...

Yes that’s what the post partly related to. The other part was directed at posters like yourself, making jokes out of people’s comments, ironically talking on behalf of others (then calling out people for doing the same) and to suggest that perhaps this section of supporters are entitled to their opinion no matter how you might see them as supporters or as posters without trying to take the piss and branding them as ridiculous and not on board with happy clapping a managers approach they disagree with.

 

You’re happy, great. There’s a fair few on here not convinced and some of them have contacts inside the club. Maybe take a step back from the arrogant swagger and consider the possibility that this section of supporters may have a point.

[l444ry]

17 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

It’s easy to be buoyant when winning, it’s also easy to support when your team is a shower of shite and you know it.

 

What I think is making it harder to watch for some fans is the mediocrity of the football when we could arguably be doing so much better and not setting up to play in styles that are simply producing such dismal performances. 

 

Its not about hate or not supporting the team it’s just for some people difficult to watch such a turgid style of play. Let them have their opinion and vote with their feet if they want to. 

 

For me Puel needs the players and investment to play his style or he needs to go. I don’t believe the team are happy with the style and approach or spending time in a team in transition - If they are not getting results and satisfaction from their football they will want to leave sooner or later.

 

Some of our first team are already tired and very frustrated with the current footballing approach.

Bit like Brexit. Everyone knows is isn't working, everyone knows it won't work either but nobody is willing to admit it.  

Edited 28 November 2018 by l444ry

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

It’s easy to be buoyant when winning, it’s also easy to support when your team is a shower of shite and you know it.

 

What I think is making it harder to watch for some fans is the mediocrity of the football when we could arguably be doing so much better and not setting up to play in styles that are simply producing such dismal performances. 

 

Its not about hate or not supporting the team it’s just for some people difficult to watch such a turgid style of play. Let them have their opinion and vote with their feet if they want to. 

 

For me Puel needs the players and investment to play his style or he needs to go. I don’t believe the team are happy with the style and approach or spending time in a team in transition - If they are not getting results and satisfaction from their football they will want to leave sooner or later.

 

Some of our first team are already tired and very frustrated with the current footballing approach.

How many teams outside the top 5 are producing good football on a regular'ish basis? One maybe two, even then it's wildly inconsistent and isn't getting the results people on here would also want to go with the football. The two I'm thinking of, Bournemouth and Wolves... Wolves are 5 without a win, losing 4 of them. Bournemouth have lost 3 out of 5, with a 0-0 draw against Southampton at home with two shots on target (sound familiar).

 

My gut feeling is what people expect and what can actually be achieved are two different things. I'm not suggesting there isn't room for improvement, but the way people go on you'd think things are currently a total disaster, which they just aren't.

 

Our goals scored are more than 11 others, shots on goal are 10th in the list, we're 10th in the table, we've not scored less in open play than most others, despite what people say. We're about two points and two places off where you'd hope we'd be, which is 8th. People said it would be a disaster without Mahrez, that we'd be near the bottom. But we're still scoring and we're 10 points off bottom. We're 9 points off 5th!

 

I really can't help but think people are just going well over the top about our current state.

[Reg Vardy]

We have conceded one goal in 360 minutes.......Wes is still plenty good enough, Soyunco great last night, Evans also...our best defender on the injury table...Benkovic awesome in Bonnie Scotland........instead of focussing on Wes supposed inadequacies, we should be rejoicing a fantastic five centre backs......never in my time have we been so blessed....people want to get real......would we swap for Jones, Smalling, Bailly, Lindelhof ? I think not!

[Foxesmints]

3 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Not all.  Ive not been for months and will not be returning until he’s sacked. 

 

Life is too short to waste time on such uninspiring garbage.

Just the sort of supporter we don't need. Please stay away.

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Bit like Brexit. Everyone knows is isn't working, everyone knows it won't work either but nobody is willing to admit it.  

Define isn't working? We're two points off 8th, which is probably the best position we can expect to get to considering the spending of the other 8.

 

Sure, I find things a tad drab... but you go and ask fans of any premier league team after a few years of finishing midtable if they are getting a bit bored, and you can bet they are. It's not just about Puel or his football, I think there is another side to it. Which is that it's boring being a midtable premier league full stop.

[LCCFox96]

28 minutes ago, Simoken said:

Im surprised i havent heard any praise towards Evans in this thread, I thought he was our best player on the night!. Was an absolute rock lastnight, very calm and collected with control of the ball and stopping most (limited) threats coming our way. Unsure how he would prove against a top 5 team but with a shit team performance we displayed, he held us together at the back with Soya.

 

27 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Evans seems a far calmer head than Morgan and Maguire, I think we look defensively more sound with him in the team.

 

Agree completely with this. Can't get my head around why people don't like Evans. We wanted a composed head at the back, who was decent on the ball and calm when put under pressure. He hasn't been totally flawless but I think he's done very well in the appearances he's made, especially given he's been very stop-start in terms of pitch time swapping in around Morgan's suspensions and Maguire's injury.

[RowlattsFox]

Maguire and Evans are our best defenders currently but they both want to play on the left. Maguire needs to be tried on the right when he's fit.

[Jobyfox]

3 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Not all.  Ive not been for months and will not be returning until he’s sacked. 

 

Life is too short to waste time on such uninspiring garbage.

Wow ?!

 

It’s all relative I suppose.

 

Personally this “uninspiring garbage” is my reward for sitting through the eras of Pleat, Taylor and Levein. Most of the time wondering if we’d ever have a side that was good enough to be competitive in the top division. 

[Stoopid]

39 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Reminds me of the "I'm never going whilst Pearson is in charge" lot, who then missed out on romping the championship and the great escape.

Agreed. Sitting halfway up the prem & in the 1/4 finals of the League Cup with a team stuffed with young England internationals...could be worse...We could be Cov!

[Nick]

Just now, Babylon said:

How many teams outside the top 5 are producing good football on a regular'ish basis? One maybe two, even then it's wildly inconsistent and isn't getting the results people on here would also want to go with the football. The two I'm thinking of, Bournemouth and Wolves... Wolves are 5 without a win, losing 4 of them. Bournemouth have lost 3 out of 5, with a 0-0 draw against Southampton at home with two shots on target (sound familiar).

 

My gut feeling is what people expect and what can actually be achieved are two different things. I'm not suggesting there isn't room for improvement, but the way people go on you'd think things are currently a total disaster, which they just aren't.

 

Our goals scored are more than 11 others, shots on goal are 10th in the list, we're 10th in the table, we've not scored less in open play than most others, despite what people say. We're about two points and two places off where you'd hope we'd be, which is 8th. People said it would be a disaster without Mahrez, that we'd be near the bottom. But we're still scoring and we're 10 points off bottom. We're 9 points off 5th!

 

I really can't help but think people are just going well over the top about our current state.

Hey Babs,

 

I get that point of view and respect it, I really do. 

 

What is certainly clear is that there is a top 6/7 or so then about 3 teams battling to be the best of the rest and then a shower of shite beneath.

 

I think the aim was to be up there to compete to be the best of the rest and I think that’s realistic with the squad and finances available.

 

You’re argument is fair enough but I am concerned it’s based on comparables which we should be benchmarking a little above and whilst stats are relative, I mean have you watched the football? (I know you have and it’s rhetorical) But Jesus, the last three home games have been woeful on so many levels, never mind the dross from the 20 odd games last season. Bereavement aside I’m sitting watching such dire football and being asked to be happy because we are mid table and in transition and..... I just am really struggling to get behind the formations, style and team selections when I think we have a squad that could compete for 6th or 7th, 8th place and instead we’ll end up 12th and lose Maguire and go again next year with the same shite style...

 

 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

1 hour ago, PaulW said:

Easy to be a fan when you're winning the league.

 

I’ve been a fan for 45 years pal and I’m a season ticket holder. That doesn’t mean I can’t exercise judgement on what I watch from week which has been football 5 to 10 years out of date.

Edited 28 November 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[siraaj_lcfc]

11 hours ago, Foxxed said:

Shit game.

 

At least Soyuncu looked decent.

Yeah he did quite well. Showed confidence with the PK as well.

[Nick]

I think Soyunco is going to be a great player for us.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

5 minutes ago, Jobyfox said:

Wow ?!

 

It’s all relative I suppose.

 

Personally this “uninspiring garbage” is my reward for sitting through the eras of Pleat, Taylor and Levein. Most of the time wondering if we’d ever have a side that was good enough to be competitive in the top division. 

Poor you. ?

 

I have watched 45 years of it, but that doesn’t mean I can’t make a judgement on what’s worthy of my spare time.

 

What Puel is dishing up certainly is not

 

 

[siraaj_lcfc]

11 hours ago, Paddy. said:

Cotterill: "Here comes Gabbiadini. He's usually very cool from the the penalty spot"

 

** Gabbiadini misses pen **

 

Cotterill: "Well, he was cool while missing it."

Funny thing is that he was brought on just to take a penalty

[Simoken]

From the post match interview with Mark Hughes with regards VAR getting it wrong...  The man is a complete utter plank! and cannot admit defeat for any reason. He would blame lastnights waving fans behind the goal for loising penos if he had no other choice.

Edited 28 November 2018 by Simoken

[hackenbacker]

10 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

I’ve been a fan for 45 years pal and I’m a season ticket holder. That doesn’t mean I can’t exercise judgement on what I watch from week which has been football 5 to 10 years out of date

You have been a supporter for 45 years and you call this mediocre .. my god what about the times we had Bassett and Levein and Megson and Holloway as managers .... now that was MEDIOCRE

[crisp packet]

5 minutes ago, siraaj_lcfc said:

Funny thing is that he was brought on just to take a penalty

Hit the bar with free kick missed a pen  

[siraaj_lcfc]

1 minute ago, crisp packet said:

Hit the bar with free kick missed a pen  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z1q31hnrhI

[FoxNotFox]

Soyuncu did look promising but, for me, not quite there. There were a couple of 'oh sh*t' back passes, a few times were he was a little indecisive (resulting in an 'oh sh*t' back pass!) and I think he needs to read the game a little better as some of his positioning was awry. He also let himself get pulled out of position in his enthusiasm to tackle. BUT he is young and he will learn - and he is solid. What concerns me more is his mobility; he's more in the lumbering Maguire mould than fleet footed. I'm not sure Puel naturally goes for that type of player, even at CB. We'll see. A few run outs will see his confidence build and hopefully improvements.

 

In a team of 9 changes, it was always going to be, as I said pre-match, "interesting". They didn't gel as much as I hoped and for me it illustrated how reliant Puel's tactics are on Chilwell and Ricardo; players that can bomb down the flanks and transition defence into attack. We missed that last night and to me we looked disjointed, our attacking midfielders weren't getting enough decent ball to work with (and Silva wasn't up for it, but that's another story)  

 

 

Edited 28 November 2018 by FoxNotFox
because I always do

[crisp packet]

Poor game , drab atmosphere

 9 changes from Saturday....didn’t expect any different as no real quality on show all night . But we won abeilt on pens . In Danny ward I am confident on shoot outs...

Just hope we play a full hit vs Man City next  round! 

Edited 28 November 2018 by crisp packet

[Babylon]

9 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Hey Babs,

 

I get that point of view and respect it, I really do. 

 

What is certainly clear is that there is a top 6/7 or so then about 3 teams battling to be the best of the rest and then a shower of shite beneath.

 

I think the aim was to be up there to compete to be the best of the rest and I think that’s realistic with the squad and finances available.

 

You’re argument is fair enough but I am concerned it’s based on comparables which we should be benchmarking a little above and whilst stats are relative, I mean have you watched the football? (I know you have and it’s rhetorical) But Jesus, the last three home games have been woeful on so many levels, never mind the dross from the 20 odd games last season. Bereavement aside I’m sitting watching such dire football and being asked to be happy because we are mid table and in transition and..... I just am really struggling to get behind the formations, style and team selections when I think we have a squad that could compete for 6th or 7th, 8th place and instead we’ll end up 12th and lose Maguire and go again next year with the same shite style...

 

 

I know what you're saying. To me though 6th and 7th is a pipe dream and entirely dependent on either another team not performing to their maximum, or on us over performing. So my expectations are already a step lower down than yours. I see us as a team competing for 8th, 9th, 10th, because it's not realistic to suggest we should be finishing above any of Man City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U and even Everton. Everton have spent £100m more than us since we won the league, so if people think we've spent a lot and should be finishing higher, then they should also say the same about them.

 

Our net spend is very middle of the road, below Palace and West Ham since we got promoted and not much more than the likes of Brighton, Bournemouth, Watford. People scream about net spend isn't a true reflection, but for us it means we've lost some high class players and not used the money we could have to replace them sufficiently. Even going on total spend, we're only fractionally above Southampton, West Ham and Newcastle.

 

Nobody is spectacularly outperforming us in terms of what they are achieving compared to their spending, from what I can see. As I say we're a couple of points of where we probably really should be... that's the difference between Vardy finishing one of his umpteen missed chances this season and not.

 

In terms of style of play, if people find it boring they find it boring. It's all personal opinion and there is no argument as to whether someone finds it boring or not. I just look around, watch other games, look at results and again ask myself whether that much worse than anyone else out there. They all serve up crap at times. We could be playing nice football, but if we'd got Wolves or Bournemouth's recent results people would still be moaning.

 

[Haywood_6]

We were far from our best, but glad we got the win.

 

And were able to put a smile back on Top's face after what he's been through.

 

 

[Max Wall]

I have never been in the Puel out camp and I'm still not. I've said it before and I'll say it again, for all reasons of stability, I'm concerned about a change at this point in time. 

However, even allowing for the fringe players getting a game, our performance last night was a very tough watch. 

We have no divine right to beat Southampton but we can't even say the shackles were off them last night due to it being a cup game and they raised their performance. They looked what they are, a struggling, low table side. For periods though, they seemed a lot more composed on the ball than us, without ever having much of a threat. 

 

I'm behind Puel but the caveats that statement comes with are beginning to lengthen a bit.  I don't think any part of his job since joining the club has been easy and I think he's done well in areas. His job was further complicated with the events of a few weeks ago and he has handled that situation and the aftermath (which continues) very well. He deserves credit for that and a myriad of other things. If we keep producing performances as disjointed as last night though, the complaints will gather pace and volume and no one can say they're surprised if they do. 

 

Cup game is a cup game. Come the 18th December, this performance will be unimportant because we'll be playing Man City and Southampton won't.

I'd personally like our performances to start improving though, even allowing for what the players have been through recently.