Leicester (p)0-0 Southampton Post Match Thread - 6-5 Win on Penalties

[l444ry]

39 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Define isn't working? We're two points off 8th, which is probably the best position we can expect to get to considering the spending of the other 8.

 

Sure, I find things a tad drab... but you go and ask fans of any premier league team after a few years of finishing midtable if they are getting a bit bored, and you can bet they are. It's not just about Puel or his football, I think there is another side to it. Which is that it's boring being a midtable premier league full stop.

Haha. You couldn't resist it Babs. Agree with the point about mid table mediocrity and analogy with previous dismal periods like Megson, Kelly, Levein, Holloway etc. etc. But every time we've settled for mid table before in my time of following City we've always been decent to watch (Gillies, Bloomfield, O'Neill). The atmosphere last night was as flat as a pancake and the reason is the style of football. 

[walkerleeds]

The state of some of the reactions on here. 

 

We made wholesale changes (necessary given the schedule the next few weeks) which included missing two of our most influential players, Chilwell and Ricardo, yet we still won. 

 

We're 10th in the table and only a few points off European places, quarter finals of the cup with a home tie coming up, plenty of exciting English talent in our ranks (we could conceivably have 4 players in the England set up over the next few months) with a Premier League title still fresh in the memory. 

 

People really need to enjoy the ride, being a Leicester City fan is a glorious time at the moment and those not enjoying it need to get their head out of the sand.

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Haha. You couldn't resist it Babs. Agree with the point about mid table mediocrity and analogy with previous dismal periods like Megson, Kelly, Levein, Holloway etc. etc. But every time we've settled for mid table before in my time of following City we've always been decent to watch (Gillies, Bloomfield, O'Neill). The atmosphere last night was as flat as a pancake and the reason is the style of football. 

If this board existed when MON was around, I can't help but think there would be people slating his style of play.

 

Again, I should point out whilst I am defending where we are. I'm not thrilled about things myself and can see there is room for improvement all over the place. I feel the need to keep saying this, as lots of people seem to take the defense of something as meaning you're totally happy with things.

[RonnieTodger]

57 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

I’ve been a fan for 45 years pal and I’m a season ticket holder. That doesn’t mean I can’t exercise judgement on what I watch from week which has been football 5 to 10 years out of date.

So you bought a season ticket to exercise your right to not watch Leicester under Puel?

[Hammo]

First of all I am neither Puel in or Puel out - like every fan I just want to see the team win matches and play decent football, however that is obtained - but through these posts I get the sense that the Puel in crowd have developed a rather smug, patronising attitude to those who dare to criticise him, even in some cases with very reasonable and rational arguments.

 

Yes, we are in another quarter final and yes, we don't appear to be in danger of relegation, both of which - notwithstanding the owners' huge investment in the playing staff - are worthy of acclaim. On the other hand, our form at home in 2018 has been pretty wretched - both in terms of performance and results, which has consequently killed the atmosphere at the ground.

 

Criticism of the manager is fully justified when you consider that we have won just three of our last 13 Premier League games at the King Power (losing four) - especially when you add into the mix that only two of our opponents during that spell have been 'top six' - Arsenal (who we beat but played most of the game with ten men) and Liverpool. Most visitors have been below us in the table.

 

Also, when was the last game, home or away, in which the team played really well in both halves? It just never happens.

 

Maybe it will all finally come together on Saturday v Watford - but I say that with fingers crossed, more in hope than expectation.

[foxy boxing]

Brilliant, we are pretty good at penalties then!. we were so good in that shootout and a big well done to every Leicester player who stepped up to take a penalty. we had a stronger team out last night than the Southampton but they dominated parts of the game and had a handful of chances. Soyuncu had a decent game apart from a few scares. we put out quite an attacking line up and you would have expected more from the players but at least we got the win.

[jayfox26]

Last night was extremely poor but making a change in manager at this stage after everything that has happened could be a disaster. I agree that our football isn't good to watch at the moment and we dont look like scoring much at the moment but we won't get relegated and we have a slim chance of winning a trophy. If things don't improve over the course of the season ( with maybe 1 or 2 additions and a fair few leaving in jan) then make a change next summer, but not now. Also, we would have more time to make the right appointment in the summer rather than half way through a season. Our last summer appointment was claudio and that worked out ok. 

 

In short, if things don't improve then make the right change next summer and get the right manager for the long term. 

Edited 28 November 2018 by jayfox26

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, Swan Lesta said:

Yes that’s what the post partly related to. The other part was directed at posters like yourself, making jokes out of people’s comments, ironically talking on behalf of others (then calling out people for doing the same) and to suggest that perhaps this section of supporters are entitled to their opinion no matter how you might see them as supporters or as posters without trying to take the piss and branding them as ridiculous and not on board with happy clapping a managers approach they disagree with.

 

You’re happy, great. There’s a fair few on here not convinced and some of them have contacts inside the club. Maybe take a step back from the arrogant swagger and consider the possibility that this section of supporters may have a point.

I'll ignore all your assumptions and sweeping statements, Swan, and focus on the point - if he refuses to support the team because he doesn't fancy the manager, then he's not really a supporter of the club, is he?

[Nick]

3 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I'll ignore all your assumptions and sweeping statements, Swan, and focus on the point - if he refuses to support the team because he doesn't fancy the manager, then he's not really a supporter of the club, is he?

No assumptions or sweeping statements and supporting a football team doesn’t have to mean following blind unconditional rules like going every week when it makes you miserable and frustrated.

 

 

[surrifox]

1 hour ago, walkerleeds said:

The state of some of the reactions on here. 

 

We made wholesale changes (necessary given the schedule the next few weeks) which included missing two of our most influential players, Chilwell and Ricardo, yet we still won. 

 

We're 10th in the table and only a few points off European places, quarter finals of the cup with a home tie coming up, plenty of exciting English talent in our ranks (we could conceivably have 4 players in the England set up over the next few months) with a Premier League title still fresh in the memory. 

 

People really need to enjoy the ride, being a Leicester City fan is a glorious time at the moment and those not enjoying it need to get their head out of the sand.

Yep - pretty much on board with this and would prefer to keep Puel - then we draw with sides like West Ham Burnley and Brighton who we should be beating with ease and the red mist descends 

[HighPeakFox]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

No assumptions or sweeping statements and supporting a football team doesn’t have to mean following blind unconditional rules like going every week when it makes you miserable and frustrated.

If you support a team, that means you turn up and support, no? Or at least wish for the best if unable to? Or are you saying it's ok to only support the team on condition that x,y and z?

 

If it's the latter, then I'm sorry, that's wanting one's cake and eat it. A bit like saying 'I only love my wife if she puts dinner on the table'. The sort of thing that can lead to accusations of being plastic, or a glory-hunter - although I acknowledge in your case and NTML, definitely not so.

 

In fact, it could be described as 'arrogant swagger' - so take that ill-chosen insult back (one very poor observation on your part) and swallow it hard.

[Nick]

5 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

If you support a team, that means you turn up and support, no? Or at least wish for the best if unable to? Or are you saying it's ok to only support the team on condition that x,y and z?

 

If it's the latter, then I'm sorry, that's wanting one's cake and eat it. A bit like saying 'I only love my wife if she puts dinner on the table'. The sort of thing that can lead to accusations of being plastic, or a glory-hunter - although I acknowledge in your case and NTML, definitely not so.

 

In fact, it could be described as 'arrogant swagger' - so take that ill-chosen insult back (one very poor observation on your part) and swallow it hard.

No not really.

 

And if we are going to use your bizarre 70’s wife role analogy....

 

Perhaps it’s more like, I love my wife unconditionally but due to the fact she’s in recent weeks been serving up sewage for dinner I’ll probably choose to eat out.

 

Not going to divorce her though and I’ve already paid for the ingredients just perhaps going to choose not to eat shit?

[HighPeakFox]

3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

No not really.

 

And if we are going to use your bizarre 70’s wife role analogy....

 

Perhaps it’s more like, I love my wife unconditionally but due to the fact she’s in recent weeks been serving up sewage for dinner I’ll probably choose to eat out.

 

Not going to divorce her though and I’ve already paid for the ingredients just perhaps going to choose not to eat shit?

We either love the team/club, or we don't, regardless of the personnel - is that more palatable as an either/or for you?

[Nick]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

We either love the team/club, or we don't, regardless of the personnel - is that more palatable as an either/or for you?

I think relationships are a bit more complicated than that.

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, Swan Lesta said:

I think relationships are a bit more complicated than that.

Ok, I get it - you are trying to justify having conditions in which one supports the team, or not. 

 

 

[Master Fox]

I don’t think it’s our team that’s boring, I think it’s the Premier League/football in general now. Try watching any other team, they’re all just as boring. 

Edited 28 November 2018 by Master Fox

[Nick]

Just now, HighPeakFox said:

Ok, I get it - you are trying to justify having conditions in which one supports the team, or not. 

 

 

Yes.

 

Because unconditional support by your definition would mean having to swallow any decision made and any person involved with the club no matter how they behaved.

 

I love my 70’s wife unconditionally even when she wields a knife but to say I don’t love her or that my love is not unconditional because I avoid her knife wielding episodes is unfair.

[Nick]

2 minutes ago, Master Fox said:

I don’t think it’s our team that’s boring, I think it’s the Premier League/football in general now. Try watching any other team, they’re all just as boring. 

That’s a fair point!

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said:

Yes.

 

Because unconditional support by your definition would mean having to swallow any decision made and any person involved with the club no matter how they behaved.

 

I love my 70’s wife unconditionally even when she wields a knife but to say I don’t love her or that my love is not unconditional because I avoid her knife wielding episodes is unfair.

OK, I'm clearer now - you and I have differing definitions of criticism. I believe one can support the team unconditionally whilst remaining critical, whereas (from what I have read in our previous conversations) you appear - and please correct me if i'm wrong - to think that criticism is bad in my eyes, and also that you don't seem to consider unconditional support being compatible with being critical. That is certainly not the case, in my mind.

 

I've said to you before, and I'll say again, I defend your right to criticise, and I agree with you sometimes too. What I don't defend is weaponising the criticism, using it as a justification for hateful comments, or abandoning the support for the team because one person is not particularly to taste. Criticism is not just slagging the team or the manager off, but that goes on an awful lot. Constructively put cases I will always read and think about. 

[murphy]

3 hours ago, Swan Lesta said:

It’s easy to be buoyant when winning, it’s also easy to support when your team is a shower of shite and you know it.

 

What I think is making it harder to watch for some fans is the mediocrity of the football when we could arguably be doing so much better and not setting up to play in styles that are simply producing such dismal performances. 

 

Its not about hate or not supporting the team it’s just for some people difficult to watch such a turgid style of play. Let them have their opinion and vote with their feet if they want to. 

 

For me Puel needs the players and investment to play his style or he needs to go. I don’t believe the team are happy with the style and approach or spending time in a team in transition - If they are not getting results and satisfaction from their football they will want to leave sooner or later.

 

Some of our first team are already tired and very frustrated with the current footballing approach.

 

I can't be in the Puel out camp simply because in historical terms we are over-performing.  I don't think there is a case for sacking the manager.  Also, with the recent tragedy I think change is the last thing we need.  Taking the emotion out of it and just looking at it in practical terms, we don't need more upheaval.

 

However, I do have some sympathy with those, like yourself, that can't abide the football we are watching, rather than those that think we should be in a European spot for some reason, or just don't seem to like Puel personally.  A lot of the performances don't exactly light my fire either, but for me we are still on a learning curve.  It seems to me that the build up is too slow, leading to us coming up against a wall of defenders in the final third that have had time to get into shape whilst we have no space to run into and invariably tip tap it around until we lose it or send over a hopeful cross which is easily mopped up.  The key change that we need to see is for us to move the ball quicker and that will open up space.  I think that is what Puel wants us to do and if we get there we could be a lot more successful and easy on the eye.

 

I'm waffling now, but in short, I think that Puel has earned the right to try to see his plan into fruition.

 

As for opinions, I don't want to see the out camp silenced, I just want them to have a day off.  When every thread turns into the same arguments we've all heard before, it becomes a bit tiresome.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

39 minutes ago, Master Fox said:

I don’t think it’s our team that’s boring, I think it’s the Premier League/football in general now. Try watching any other team, they’re all just as boring. 

I wouldn't say (ignoring the top five) that Bournemouth and Fulham play boring football.

[UPinCarolina]

Sometimes, I cynically hope we cut Puel loose and rocket into the Mariana Trench of the PL table, narrowly escaping relegation.

Some of the expectations that have been around our club since 2016 - and the people who find themselves holding those expectations - are poisonous and antithetical to the overall health of our fan base and the organization.

Edited 28 November 2018 by UPinCarolina

[Master Fox]

15 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

I wouldn't say (ignoring the top five) that Bournemouth and Fulham play boring football.

Even watching the top 5 are boring. Spurs bore me to death. What’s the point in watching a Man City game too? Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal are all boring.

Edited 28 November 2018 by Master Fox

[Babylon]

12 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

I wouldn't say (ignoring the top five) that Bournemouth and Fulham play boring football.

No, but then Fulham are bottom of the league and Bournemouth are below us in the form table having lost the last three and only managing to draw 0-0 with Saints (with their full team) getting only two shots on target in the process. Do you think our oh so patient fans would be sat here happy if either of those scenarios were ours? Outside the top five it's a load of inconsistent shite mostly. With every team capable of some good stuff and some utter dross.

[Babylon]

Just now, Master Fox said:

Even watching the top 5 are boring. Spurs bore me to death. What’s the point in watching a Man City game too? Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal are all boring too. 

You considered following another sport?