VAR...do you think ref/var was right to disallow goal

[LCCFox96]

It wasn't a deliberate handball but that doesn't matter. The connection with Redmond's hand altered the course of play and provided Southampton with an advantage they wouldn't otherwise have had. Can't understand any argument for that goal being allowed to stand.

[Super_horns]

The board that make up the rules of our game are thinking about changing the handball rule - hopefully that will make it more clear cut.

 

TBH Even with VAR handball as it is now will still cause plenty of debate as seen during the World Cup final. 

 

Did the decision take time to come through and did the players then accept it?

 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

11 hours ago, ROB-THE-BLUE said:

He gained a huge advantage from the hand connection, correct decision for me. 

This 

[KrefelderFox666]

1 hour ago, Super_horns said:

The board that make up the rules of our game are thinking about changing the handball rule - hopefully that will make it more clear cut.

 

TBH Even with VAR handball as it is now will still cause plenty of debate as seen during the World Cup final. 

 

Did the decision take time to come through and did the players then accept it?

 

It was a break of play anyway (goal scored) and the decision took maybe a minute. We ended up with 6 minutes added time but so be it. If the game is made fairer that way.

 

Yesterday it was the difference between Leicester going through and being knocked out. Thanks to VAR

[ScouseFox]

said it before and it applied perfectly last night, VAR can't fix the handball rule. 

 

if you watch it from every angle in slow motion, everything seems to be deliberately in an unnatural position or whatever the fu cking rule is. 

 

it's why VAR will never fully fix things like in other sports. in tennis the ball is either in or out. in cricket it's either pitched outside or pitched in line. in rugby 99% of the time he's either got the ball down or he hasn't (normally the only issues are because you can't actually see it). in football there's still people arguing in boozers about tackles or handballs or offsides (which should be clear cut but still isn't) from about 40 years ago, despite watching a replay every time the discussion comes up. 

[themightyfin]

3 hours ago, RowlattsFox said:

People always throw the 'deliberate' argument in but if that was taken literally they'd be very few hand balls given. It needs a common sense approach and refs need to decide whether it can be avoided and whether the player has gained an unfair advantage. I've said it before but I wouldn't even give penalties for handballs unless it was obviously deliberate and/or stops a clear goal. Just be an indirect free kick.

That would open another whole can of worms. 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

It was handball. We got the right decision in the end.

[NewquayFox]

Definitely handball, me & my lad called it before it went to VAR, just wish they could speed the review system up and show it on the screens, Mark Hughes afterwards was priceless, he won’t be at Southampton much longer I think... 

[woddyuk]

13 hours ago, elvisfmcfly said:

I remember a game against Villa,think it was in the cup a few seasons back where they scored with the aid of a handball,definitely the correct decision when leading to a goal for the handling team,whether international or not,for a penalty to be given, I think it needs to be intentional or the handball stopped a definite goal.

I remember that. It was away in the league down the holt end. Defo handball and ref didn't even Blink at it. Gestedt scored and ref Gave the goal. We were shit that day though. Managed to scramble a draw through Shinji 

[woddyuk]

Had VAR been available at Brighton we would have been two nil down as their second "goal" wasn't offside. 

But last night was funny how their players didn't even realise a check was being made for about 30seconds 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

 

13 hours ago, elvisfmcfly said:

I remember a game against Villa,think it was in the cup a few seasons back where they scored with the aid of a handball,definitely the correct decision when leading to a goal for the handling team,whether international or not,for a penalty to be given, I think it needs to be intentional or the handball stopped a definite goal.

 

6 minutes ago, woddyuk said:

I remember that. It was away in the league down the holt end. Defo handball and ref didn't even Blink at it. Gestedt scored and ref Gave the goal. We were shit that day though. Managed to scramble a draw through Shinji 

And let's not forget Sam Vokes doing his Tragic Johnson impression before Burnley's winner the following year at Turf Moor.

[TonyN11]

I really don't think I will ever accept that VAR is good for the game.

 

Then again, it took me a while to accept goal nets and numbers on shirts

[Trav Le Bleu]

Where can i see highlights? I was down the other end (where I thought we had a nailed on penalty.) So I had no idea what was happening, especially after that quality moment earlier in the game where the screen said "VAR penalty review" for a foul on the halfway line. Wasn't on Quest.

[woddyuk]

3 hours ago, TonyN11 said:

I really don't think I will ever accept that VAR is good for the game.

 

Then again, it took me a while to accept goal nets and numbers on shirts

You must needed therapy when names started appearing on shirts and match of the day in colour  

[Corky]

5 hours ago, ScouseFox said:

said it before and it applied perfectly last night, VAR can't fix the handball rule. 

 

if you watch it from every angle in slow motion, everything seems to be deliberately in an unnatural position or whatever the fu cking rule is. 

 

it's why VAR will never fully fix things like in other sports. in tennis the ball is either in or out. in cricket it's either pitched outside or pitched in line. in rugby 99% of the time he's either got the ball down or he hasn't (normally the only issues are because you can't actually see it). in football there's still people arguing in boozers about tackles or handballs or offsides (which should be clear cut but still isn't) from about 40 years ago, despite watching a replay every time the discussion comes up. 

Absolutely. It will clear up factual decisions such as offside or ball out of play but for interpretative ones like handball or contact, we are just using another official's view or opinion. The team that has scored/ been fouled will want the video ref to agree, the other side will want a disagreement and overturn.

 

I'm going to enjoy these managers calling for VAR when a decision doesn't get given their way yet complaining when still doesn't. If that had been us attacking then "scoring", Mark Hughes would want the goal disallowed.

[TonyN11]

On 28/11/2018 at 17:31, woddyuk said:

You must needed therapy when names started appearing on shirts and match of the day in colour  

Not really 'cos I still have a black and white TV though I sometimes struggle with those light grey and dark grey cards the the referees brandish nowadays.

I gather we are top of the league for the dark grey ones.

[Captain...]

On 28/11/2018 at 09:24, LCCFox96 said:

It wasn't a deliberate handball but that doesn't matter. The connection with Redmond's hand altered the course of play and provided Southampton with an advantage they wouldn't otherwise have had. Can't understand any argument for that goal being allowed to stand.

So would you be ok if we conceded a penalty under the same circumstances? Ball bounces up in a tackle and accidentally hits a defender’s arm while he’s stumbling. Which leads to us clearing the ball is that a penalty? I would be livid if that was given as a penalty against us so would most people.

 

The problem is the inconsistency in application especially when it is a penalty appeal at one end or ball to hand resulting in a goal at the other.

[Lionheart10]

On 28/11/2018 at 07:34, Hammo said:

Correct decision by VAR. The goal would not have come about but for an advantageous use of the arm/hand.

 

What amuses, and annoys, me about Hughes and his moaning (listen to his Sky interview) is that we all know full well that if that incident had been down the other end he would have said - with absolute conviction in that horrible conceited, condescending way of his - that it was a clear and obvious handball and the right decision was made.

 

What a tosser.

Yes and he even admitted that he would have said exactly that,what a Tw*t.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

On 27/11/2018 at 23:21, orangecity23 said:

Yes, because it was funny.

That should honestly be the deciding factor behind any tight decision, like the beginning of the 2017 cup final.