VAR...do you think ref/var was right to disallow goal

[fuchsntf]

I haven't seen any slow-mow,only the repeat....

 

The hand was in play,and the same attacking player,took advantage of the new position,and control of ball in stumbling

When not deliberate...I dont know the exact ruling in this situation,if it's not deliberate can the hand/arm then be considered inanimate (like when ball hits ref)

 

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

He gained a huge advantage from the hand connection, correct decision for me. 

[orangecity23]

Yes, because it was funny.

[H.a.r.r.y]

something went our way, don't question it

[Tielemans63]

If it annoyed Mark Hughes then of course it's the right decision.

[FireFox]

Haven't seen the replay, but the rules are that it needs to be intentional/deliberate. VAR probably had the best view to determine that.  

 

Honestly though, when a "handball" is seen to give such a big advantage, deliberate or not, it's usually called as handball. Such a hard rule to determine, anywhere on the pitch. Any handball should just be called and given as an indirect free kick. (Unless it's the arm/hand is along the body or very clearly ball to hand.)

[lcfc sheff]

Not even a question for me, certainly the goal couldn’t have stood.

[Bert]

They’ve gained an advantage from the ball hitting a hand. Correct decision.

[Captain...]

28 minutes ago, Bert said:

They’ve gained an advantage from the ball hitting a hand. Correct decision.

But that’s not the rule. I would fully support that as the wording of the handball rule but right now it isn’t.

 

I would say if you gain any advantage from the ball hitting the hand it is an indirect free kick, if it is deemed deliberate then it is a direct free kick and can be a booking/red card.

[elvisfmcfly]

I remember a game against Villa,think it was in the cup a few seasons back where they scored with the aid of a handball,definitely the correct decision when leading to a goal for the handling team,whether international or not,for a penalty to be given, I think it needs to be intentional or the handball stopped a definite goal.

Edited 28 November 2018 by elvisfmcfly

[Hanan96]

45 minutes ago, FireFox said:

Haven't seen the replay, but the rules are that it needs to be intentional/deliberate. VAR probably had the best view to determine that.  

 

Honestly though, when a "handball" is seen to give such a big advantage, deliberate or not, it's usually called as handball. Such a hard rule to determine, anywhere on the pitch. Any handball should just be called and given as an indirect free kick. (Unless it's the arm/hand is along the body or very clearly ball to hand.)

For now its 'natural' position. 

[urban.spaceman]

Would be grateful for a clip to review it. 

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Paddy. said:

If it annoyed Mark Hughes then of course it's the right decision.

Yup,that's the best argument....not more to say really!!

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

1 hour ago, FireFox said:

Haven't seen the replay, but the rules are that it needs to be intentional/deliberate. VAR probably had the best view to determine that.  

 

 

I hear a lot of pundits use the "deliberate" argument these days, but (without looking it up) isn't the rule that if the ball strikes the hand/arm and affects the trajectory of the ball then it's a foul, with or without intention? Obviously allowances are made if the ball is struck at point blank range and the player has no chance to move their hand/arm out of the way

 

Also, I haven't seen the incident, but it benefitted us and causes Mark Hughes a problem so it's the right decision. A victory for football

[Jordan]

It looked like Redmond dribbled the ball like a basketball, and as such, it was a slam dunk for the VAR to rule handball.

 

I only watched from an online stream, but I could see it clear as day.

 

I just found another angle of it taken from the crowd: 

 

 

Even from that far away, you can see it’s the right call!

[MPH]

Former Premier League referee David Elleray said the referee's interpretation depends on whether the hand or arm is in an "unnatural" position at the point of contact.

 

Referees often consult their assistants on decisions

"Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport.

[st albans fox]

I thought only the ref could give the final reviewed decision on anything other than offside after reviewing footage ........

 

thats confuseed me after last night 

 

I thought too many unnecessary  interventions slowing down play ........

[KFS]

Was funny as fvck knowing full well it would be disallowed but the Saints players all celebrating...

[Hammo]

Correct decision by VAR. The goal would not have come about but for an advantageous use of the arm/hand.

 

What amuses, and annoys, me about Hughes and his moaning (listen to his Sky interview) is that we all know full well that if that incident had been down the other end he would have said - with absolute conviction in that horrible conceited, condescending way of his - that it was a clear and obvious handball and the right decision was made.

 

What a tosser.

[The Doctor]

It was an obvious handball and really with a competent ref wouldn't have even needed to go to VAR, you could see Redmond busting out his Michael Jordan routine from the other end of the ground. Easily the core decision

[KrefelderFox666]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

It was an obvious handball and really with a competent ref wouldn't have even needed to go to VAR, you could see Redmond busting out his Michael Jordan routine from the other end of the ground. Easily the core decision

I sat behind the Southampton bench and as soon as it happened (I had a clear side on view of it) I said it's handball. Even when they scored I was confident the VAR would turn it over.

 

The rule is vague at best. Deliberate. Unnatural. At the end of the day, Redmond was given a clear advantage by handballing and to me that is deliberate. His arm was not by his body, he lost control of himself and thus control of his arm to catch his tumble.

 

I can see it's harsh on him but he wouldn't have scored if it wasn't for the handball. Good decision.

[KrefelderFox666]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

I thought only the ref could give the final reviewed decision on anything other than offside after reviewing footage ........

 

thats confuseed me after last night 

 

I thought too many unnecessary  interventions slowing down play ........

The ref can choose if he/she wants to review the replay themselves. 9 times out of 10 the VAR is in control and makes the decision without the referee seeing it.

 

Sometimes the VAR may ask the referee to have a look themselves (if it is a contentious call).

[willie-bell-in-rothley]

What we need now is someone to review the decision that the ref and VAR have made....... some people just cant accept a decision

[crisp packet]

Final pass before the shot which they scored from came from redmans hand /arm . 

Correct call to disallow goal. 

[RowlattsFox]

People always throw the 'deliberate' argument in but if that was taken literally they'd be very few hand balls given. It needs a common sense approach and refs need to decide whether it can be avoided and whether the player has gained an unfair advantage. I've said it before but I wouldn't even give penalties for handballs unless it was obviously deliberate and/or stops a clear goal. Just be an indirect free kick.