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Nigel Farage under fire over 'antisemitic tropes' on far-right US talkshow

Exclusive: Brexit party leader referred to ‘new world order’ in interviews with Alex Jones

 

Nigel Farage is facing strong criticism from Jewish organisations and a series of other groups after it emerged he repeatedly took part in interviews with a far-right US talkshow host, during which the Brexit party leader openly discussed conspiracy theories, some of which have been linked to antisemitism.

A Guardian investigation has found Farage has appeared at least six times on the show of Alex Jones, who was sued by bereaved parents after claiming a US school shooting was faked, and was banned permanently from Facebook last week.

Among those condemning Farage include a father whose six-year-old son died in the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting, and a man whose son died in the London bombings on 7 July 2005, which Jones has claimed were a government plot.

 

Farage, who led Ukip for many years, quit the party last year because he said he disliked its hard-right, anti-Islam stance under Gerard Batten. However, the website that Jones fronts, Infowars, regularly features anti-Islam stories.

In his various appearances on Jones’s show, Farage discussed themes commonly associated with an antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jewish financiers are behind a plot to replace nation states with a global government.

In the six identified interviews, which date from 2009 to last year, Farage, whose Brexit party is leading polls for the upcoming European elections, repeatedly uses words and phrases such as “globalists” and “new world order”, which regularly feature in antisemitic ideas.

In the interviews, Farage also says:

• Members of the annual Bilderberg gathering of political and business leaders are plotting a global government.

• The banking and political systems are working “hand in glove” in an attempt to disband nation states.

• “Globalists” are trying to engineer a world war as a means to introduce a worldwide government.

• Climate change is a “scam” intended to push forward this transnational government.

In the most recent interview, filmed in April last year, Farage said the EU is “the prototype for the new world order”, and “globalists have wanted to have some form of conflict with Russia as an argument for us all to surrender our national sovereignty and give it up to a higher global level”.

 

In an earlier interview with Jones, who is also banned from Twitter, Farage mentions Bilderberg, saying: “These lunatics genuinely believe that they know what’s best for us, genuinely believe in this concept of global government, and it will be a disaster.”

Later in the same interview, from June 2010, Farage argues Bilderberg members, along with other supposed plotters, could soon start “censoring and maybe ultimately even imprisoning those who challenge them and fight them”.

A spokesman for the Board of Deputies of British Jews said: “It is vital that our politicians distance themselves from conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists, including those who trade in antisemitic tropes. We would call on Nigel Farage to repudiate these ideas and to commit not to dignify oddball nasties like Alex Jones with his presence again.”

The Community Security Trust, which monitors antisemitic sentiment, said Jones was “a notorious conspiracy theorist who should be beyond the pale for any mainstream politician”.

A spokesman said: “Furthermore, for Jones’s conspiracy-minded audience, Farage’s references to ‘globalists’ and ‘new world order’ will be taken as familiar codewords for antisemitic conspiracy theories.”

A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said Farage’s close links with Jones and Infowars “demonstrates a serious lack of judgment by Mr Farage and a willingness to tolerate Islamophobia”.

The Labour MP David Lammy said the interviews showed “serious questions should be asked about Farage’s associations and networks”.

He added: “His indulgence in conspiracy theories about a ‘new world order’ should send chills down the spine of all who are aware of how these tropes have been used in the past.”

Graham Foulkes, whose 22-year-old son, David, was among 52 people killed by Islamist attackers on 7 July 2005, said he was aghast at Farage’s decision to be interviewed by Jones so many times.

“It fills you with despair that such a high-profile politician could even consider giving people like that the time of day,” he said. “It’s hard to understand. There can be no rational motivation to speak to people who are, shall we say, in need of help.”

Lenny Pozner, whose six-year-old son, Noah, was the youngest of 26 people shot dead at Sandy Hook, has sued Jones for saying the massacre was faked. In a recent legal deposition, Jones said he had argued this because of “psychosis”.

In a statement to the Guardian, Pozner said such a conspiracy theory “doesn’t simply affect me or other victims of mass casualty events”.

He added: “When people in positions of authority or influence consume, perpetrate and regurgitate conspiracy theories, they legitimise the lie, they normalise the hate and build policy that affects every citizen on this planet.”

Farage and the Brexit party were contacted for comment.

April 2018

Jones: “Why is the left allied with radical Islam?”

Farage: “Because they hate Christianity. They deny, absolutely, our Judeo-Christian culture, which if you think about it actually are the roots, completely, of our nations and our civilisation. They deny that. They also want to abolish the nation state – they want to get rid of it. They want to replace it with the globalist project, and the European Union is the prototype for the new world order.”

August 2016

Farage: “If America, as the leader of the western world, once again becomes the leader of the free world, well then I think, basically, we will have done away with the globalists.”

November 2012

Farage: “The fact is that the banking system and politics became hand in glove – one and the same thing. And that’s been a complete disaster. The amazing thing is, we have had elected prime ministers in Greece and Italy removed by the bully boy bureaucrats and replaced by former Goldman Sachs employees. You honestly cannot believe what is going on.”

 

 

June 2010

Farage: “You mention yourself the Bilderberg group – these lunatics genuinely believe that they know what’s best for us, genuinely believe in this concept of global government, and it will be a disaster.”

February 2010

Farage: “Yes, it all fits together, doesn’t it? Hand in glove – the big businesses, the bureaucrats, they have the sole right to make laws. It all fits together. They’re all very happy with the world they’re creating.”

December 2009

Farage: “We have a political class across the world that are basically aiming for a form of global governance. If you don’t believe me, look at what’s happening in Copenhagen. Governments are sitting there trying to sign us up to treaties on a very, very questionable concept of global warming caused by C02 emissions.”

 

 

[bovril]

The globalist banking cabal type stuff probably isn't too far away from what Corbyn thinks. Pretty depressing that this kind of thought has become part of the political mainstream in this country.

[Strokes]

He doesn’t say anything shocking in those quotes, I’m pretty sure I’ve heard him say all of that on LBC.

 

[Buce]

31 minutes ago, Strokes said:

He doesn’t say anything shocking in those quotes, I’m pretty sure I’ve heard him say all of that on LBC.

 

 

Historical bollox is still bollox.

 

Or is that only when it's Corbyn?

[MC Prussian]

Quote

 repeatedly uses words and phrases such as “globalists” and “new world order”, which regularly feature in antisemitic ideas.

So just by the sheer use of words, the press now puts you on the same pedestal as antisemites.

"Journalism" of today can fvck right off.

 

The four following bullet points are by no means controversial, simply Farage's opinion. Are we now holding people's opinion against them? And no word on whether Farage distances himself from these statements today? People's opinions cannot change over time?

Reminds me of Carl Benjamin's Anti-Rape tweet held against him - three years later.

 

Anyone can be interviewed by Alex Jones, and you can dislike the guy as much as you want, your choice.

I find him close to unbearable with his antics and the amount of conspiracy theories he's put out, notwithstanding some of the abuse and controversial statements of his, but he's perfectly entitled to invite people to his show and discuss pressing issues, including Farage. It's a private platform.

 

Shame the weird side of Jones will always overshadow some of the good points he's making or has made. I think he's also had to undergo surgery and toned down ever since the lawsuits also. Not as loud as he used to be.

Edited 8 May 2019 by MC Prussian

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

Historical bollox is still bollox.

 

Or is that only when it's Corbyn?

When have I slated Corbyn for it?

[Buce]

13 minutes ago, Strokes said:

When have I slated Corbyn for it?

 

Steady on, Tiger, it was rhetorical. 

 

[Strokes]

Just now, Buce said:

 

Steady on, Tiger, it was rhetorical. 

 

I'm just trying to say I see no real problem with what he has said. Going on that Alex Jones YouTube channel is a bit of stupid thing to do but the quotes meh.

[leicsmac]

Anyone who uses the term "Judeo-Christian culture" unironically and in totally sincere fashion is a few sultanas short of a fruitcake in any case IMO. How much more dog-whistly do you need to be?

Edited 7 May 2019 by leicsmac

[Carl the Llama]

1 hour ago, MC Prussian said:

So just by the sheer use of words, the press now puts you on the same pedestal as antisemites.

"Journalism" of today can fvck right off.

 

The four following bullet points are by no means controversial, simply Farage's opinion. Are we now holding people's opinion against them? And no word on whether Farage distances himself from these statements today? People's opinions cannot change over time?

Reminds me of Carl Benjamin's Anti-Rape tweet hold against him - three years later.

 

Anyone can be interviewed by Alex Jones, and you can dislike the guy as much as you want, your choice.

I find him close to unbearable with his antics and the amount of conspiracy theories he's put out, notwithstanding some of the abuse and controversial statements of his, but he's perfectly entitled to invite people to his show and discuss pressing issues, including Farage. It's a private platform.

 

Shame the weird side of Jones will always overshadow some of the good points he's making or has made. I think he's also had to undergo surgery and toned down ever since the lawsuits also. Not as loud as he used to be.

...such as?

[Buce]

1 hour ago, Strokes said:

I'm just trying to say I see no real problem with what he has said. Going on that Alex Jones YouTube channel is a bit of stupid thing to do but the quotes meh.

 

As Mac said, dog-whistle politics.

 

He likes to come across as this genial 'man down the pub' type, but in fact, he's quite sinister and calculating.

[Buce]

 

Euro elections definitely going ahead:

 

"Parliament has had several occasions to vote on leaving the European Union.

So far, every time there has been a majority against leaving with any particularly orderly deal, so we are engaged as a government in talks with the opposition, and with others across parliament, to try and find a way forward that has maximum possible support amongst politicians of all political parties.

But what this now means, given how little time there is, is that it is regrettably not going to be possible to finish that process before the date that is legally due for European parliamentary elections.

We very much hoped that we would be able to get our exit sorted and have the treaty concluded so that those elections did not have to take place. But legally, they do have to take place - unless our withdrawal has been given legal effect - so those will now go ahead.

But we will be redoubling our efforts and talks with MPs of all parties to try to make sure that the delay after that is as short as possible. Ideally we’d like to be in a situation where those MEPs never actually have to take their seat at European parliament, certainly to get this done and dusted by the summer recess.

That will mean effort, hard work and compromise from different political parties, people from both the leave side and the remain side in the European debate. But I think that is what is in the national interest - deal with the outcome, respect the outcome of the referendum of 2016 and leave the European Union with a deal that protects jobs, investment and living standards in this country."

 

David Lidington

[Buce]

 

Confirmation (if needed) that democracy is well and truly dead in Turkey:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48184149

[Guest MattP]

12 minutes ago, Buce said:

Confirmation (if needed) that democracy is well and truly dead in Turkey:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48184149

Very depressing, incredible people think they can just re-run votes because they didn't like the outcome of the first one.

[Guest MattP]

Interesting conversation with an odds compiler of a major betting firm last night. On their private polling not only are the Brexit party leading the European elections but are also neck and neck with Labour for the Peterborough by-election.

 

Also, Tommy Robinson isn't hitting 5% in the NW and most likely he won't be elected. 

[MC Prussian]

15 hours ago, Buce said:

 

As Mac said, dog-whistle politics.

 

He likes to come across as this genial 'man down the pub' type, but in fact, he's quite sinister and calculating.

Oh, sure. Sinister maybe, calculating you bet.

He was a stockbroker for about ten years before entering politics, figures.

 

There's a reason Nigel Farage has gone off UKIP and founded a new party - Nigel Farage.

It's all about him.

[Buce]

26 minutes ago, MattP said:

Interesting conversation with an odds compiler of a major betting firm last night. On their private polling not only are the Brexit party leading the European elections but are also neck and neck with Labour for the Peterborough by-election.

 

Also, Tommy Robinson isn't hitting 5% in the NW and most likely he won't be elected. 

 

 

That's about all he isn't hitting...

[MC Prussian]

17 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

...such as?

The CNN meme stunt was pretty funny.

[Carl the Llama]

1 hour ago, MC Prussian said:

The CNN meme stunt was pretty funny.

I don't know what that is, in any case it's only one example, you talked as though there's a modicum of sense beneath the bug-eyed, delusional exterior that he's carefully cultivated for monetary gain.

[MC Prussian]

8 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

I don't know what that is, in any case it's only one example, you talked as though there's a modicum of sense beneath the bug-eyed, delusional exterior that he's carefully cultivated for monetary gain.

I didn't say that there's a vast amount of good points he's making - for what it's worth, he's a walking loudspeaker more than anything. I don't follow him, I come across his content occasionally.

He's toned down quite a bit lately from what I can tell, so maybe he's learnt his lesson and pushes more noteworthy discussions in the future.

 

Banning him on Social Media isn't the way forward, though.

Edited 8 May 2019 by MC Prussian

[bovril]

18 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

...such as?

Hillary literally eats babies. 

[Alf Bentley]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

Interesting conversation with an odds compiler of a major betting firm last night. On their private polling not only are the Brexit party leading the European elections but are also neck and neck with Labour for the Peterborough by-election.

 

Also, Tommy Robinson isn't hitting 5% in the NW and most likely he won't be elected. 

 

Is this the sort of company you should be keeping? This is the equivalent to me having "interesting conversations" with leading brewers about great new ales they're bringing out.... Get thee behind me, Satan! 

 

I presume Robinson is losing support due to all the brawling. I know opponents have chucked milkshakes on him, but coverage on local media showing you or your entourage getting handy with fists isn't a good look for folk who might agree with some stuff he says, but don't like thuggery & then see him on TV....

 

Doesn't surprise me that Brexit Party is leading in the Euros, especially with the Remainer side so fragmented and Labour's complicated stance. Did your contact say what figures they had for the Remainer parties in the Euros?

I'm guessing that Lib Dems and Greens will be up a bit due to the council elections and Change UK will nosedive unless they pull off a spectacularly good campaign - but Remainers still very fragmented, helping the Brexiteer cause given the electoral system.

 

As someone who wants the final outcome to be either Remain or, at worst, Soft Brexit, there's a major risk in the Brexit Party doing well.

We all know that they'll get a lot of votes as there's a sizeable minority who want Hard Brexit/No Deal regardless - and a lot more who just want us "to get it done" & govt to do other stuff.

 

Given Remainer fragmentation, it also looks likely Farage will top the poll. But there's a big difference between him topping the poll with, say, 25-30%, and getting 40%.

I'm concerned that 40% could be feasible if their Hard Brexit/No Deal vote is supplemented by a lot of protest votes - people just pissed off with the mess/govt/parliament/May&Corbyn.

I suspect there are an awful lot of people out there who don't have particularly strong views about Brexit either way, but who are sick of it dragging on, sick of the mess....and might express that by voting Farage. 

 

Peterborough is an interesting one. I was amazed that Labour picked up council seats off the Tories there after the MP scandal....but maybe voters draw a bigger distinction than I'd realised between local elections & national/European?

[RoboFox]

In other news... 

 

Meghan, Duchess of Sussex has CLOSED A CAR DOOR, PEOPLE.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-45650976/meghan-closes-a-car-door?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR3N22Fvm7aRKBNj_Z3avUYm90mFMb8zD47jKy1_myzab7mlHYDJ-QB8sJY

 

This isn't even satire.

 

It's real news as written by actual, paid BBC human journalists.

[Buce]

30 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

In other news... 

 

Meghan, Duchess of Sussex has CLOSED A CAR DOOR, PEOPLE.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-45650976/meghan-closes-a-car-door?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR3N22Fvm7aRKBNj_Z3avUYm90mFMb8zD47jKy1_myzab7mlHYDJ-QB8sJY

 

This isn't even satire.

 

It's real news as written by actual, paid BBC human journalists.

 

That’s the whole purpose of the BBC - it’s just an establishment mouthpiece. 

Edited 8 May 2019 by Buce

[purpleronnie]

On ‎06‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 22:23, Buce said:

Nigel Farage under fire over 'antisemitic tropes' on far-right US talkshow

Exclusive: Brexit party leader referred to ‘new world order’ in interviews with Alex Jones

 

Nigel Farage is facing strong criticism from Jewish organisations and a series of other groups after it emerged he repeatedly took part in interviews with a far-right US talkshow host, during which the Brexit party leader openly discussed conspiracy theories, some of which have been linked to antisemitism.

A Guardian investigation has found Farage has appeared at least six times on the show of Alex Jones, who was sued by bereaved parents after claiming a US school shooting was faked, and was banned permanently from Facebook last week.

Among those condemning Farage include a father whose six-year-old son died in the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting, and a man whose son died in the London bombings on 7 July 2005, which Jones has claimed were a government plot.

 

Farage, who led Ukip for many years, quit the party last year because he said he disliked its hard-right, anti-Islam stance under Gerard Batten. However, the website that Jones fronts, Infowars, regularly features anti-Islam stories.

In his various appearances on Jones’s show, Farage discussed themes commonly associated with an antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jewish financiers are behind a plot to replace nation states with a global government.

In the six identified interviews, which date from 2009 to last year, Farage, whose Brexit party is leading polls for the upcoming European elections, repeatedly uses words and phrases such as “globalists” and “new world order”, which regularly feature in antisemitic ideas.

In the interviews, Farage also says:

• Members of the annual Bilderberg gathering of political and business leaders are plotting a global government.

• The banking and political systems are working “hand in glove” in an attempt to disband nation states.

• “Globalists” are trying to engineer a world war as a means to introduce a worldwide government.

• Climate change is a “scam” intended to push forward this transnational government.

In the most recent interview, filmed in April last year, Farage said the EU is “the prototype for the new world order”, and “globalists have wanted to have some form of conflict with Russia as an argument for us all to surrender our national sovereignty and give it up to a higher global level”.

 

In an earlier interview with Jones, who is also banned from Twitter, Farage mentions Bilderberg, saying: “These lunatics genuinely believe that they know what’s best for us, genuinely believe in this concept of global government, and it will be a disaster.”

Later in the same interview, from June 2010, Farage argues Bilderberg members, along with other supposed plotters, could soon start “censoring and maybe ultimately even imprisoning those who challenge them and fight them”.

A spokesman for the Board of Deputies of British Jews said: “It is vital that our politicians distance themselves from conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists, including those who trade in antisemitic tropes. We would call on Nigel Farage to repudiate these ideas and to commit not to dignify oddball nasties like Alex Jones with his presence again.”

The Community Security Trust, which monitors antisemitic sentiment, said Jones was “a notorious conspiracy theorist who should be beyond the pale for any mainstream politician”.

A spokesman said: “Furthermore, for Jones’s conspiracy-minded audience, Farage’s references to ‘globalists’ and ‘new world order’ will be taken as familiar codewords for antisemitic conspiracy theories.”

A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said Farage’s close links with Jones and Infowars “demonstrates a serious lack of judgment by Mr Farage and a willingness to tolerate Islamophobia”.

The Labour MP David Lammy said the interviews showed “serious questions should be asked about Farage’s associations and networks”.

He added: “His indulgence in conspiracy theories about a ‘new world order’ should send chills down the spine of all who are aware of how these tropes have been used in the past.”

Graham Foulkes, whose 22-year-old son, David, was among 52 people killed by Islamist attackers on 7 July 2005, said he was aghast at Farage’s decision to be interviewed by Jones so many times.

“It fills you with despair that such a high-profile politician could even consider giving people like that the time of day,” he said. “It’s hard to understand. There can be no rational motivation to speak to people who are, shall we say, in need of help.”

Lenny Pozner, whose six-year-old son, Noah, was the youngest of 26 people shot dead at Sandy Hook, has sued Jones for saying the massacre was faked. In a recent legal deposition, Jones said he had argued this because of “psychosis”.

In a statement to the Guardian, Pozner said such a conspiracy theory “doesn’t simply affect me or other victims of mass casualty events”.

He added: “When people in positions of authority or influence consume, perpetrate and regurgitate conspiracy theories, they legitimise the lie, they normalise the hate and build policy that affects every citizen on this planet.”

Farage and the Brexit party were contacted for comment.

April 2018

Jones: “Why is the left allied with radical Islam?”

Farage: “Because they hate Christianity. They deny, absolutely, our Judeo-Christian culture, which if you think about it actually are the roots, completely, of our nations and our civilisation. They deny that. They also want to abolish the nation state – they want to get rid of it. They want to replace it with the globalist project, and the European Union is the prototype for the new world order.”

August 2016

Farage: “If America, as the leader of the western world, once again becomes the leader of the free world, well then I think, basically, we will have done away with the globalists.”

November 2012

Farage: “The fact is that the banking system and politics became hand in glove – one and the same thing. And that’s been a complete disaster. The amazing thing is, we have had elected prime ministers in Greece and Italy removed by the bully boy bureaucrats and replaced by former Goldman Sachs employees. You honestly cannot believe what is going on.”

 

 

June 2010

Farage: “You mention yourself the Bilderberg group – these lunatics genuinely believe that they know what’s best for us, genuinely believe in this concept of global government, and it will be a disaster.”

February 2010

Farage: “Yes, it all fits together, doesn’t it? Hand in glove – the big businesses, the bureaucrats, they have the sole right to make laws. It all fits together. They’re all very happy with the world they’re creating.”

December 2009

Farage: “We have a political class across the world that are basically aiming for a form of global governance. If you don’t believe me, look at what’s happening in Copenhagen. Governments are sitting there trying to sign us up to treaties on a very, very questionable concept of global warming caused by C02 emissions.”

 

 

It's incredible that someone linked to the right (the Thatcherite right) would at one time been run out of towns like fylde, now he's speaking in front of 1000's of cheering fans at their stadium.

 

I don't like him or his politics but has anyone else ever led 2 parties from nowhere to the brink of historic success?

Edited 8 May 2019 by purpleronnie