Jimothy Posted 20 June 2019 Posted 20 June 2019 8 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: Typo, now edited to a 'thanks' emoticon which was the initial intention. I was confused by your confusion Fair enough.
Wymsey Posted 20 June 2019 Posted 20 June 2019 10 minutes ago, Facecloth said: I was confused by your confusion Fair enough. I'm not even that daft to get confused by your initial post I quoted..
fuchsntf Posted 20 June 2019 Posted 20 June 2019 Where's a good woman saviour,when we need one!!! 50 years of telling our equal they are......but can't hustle up a decent campaign,with 3 women to compete in 2019 against these wombats.. Just proves the conservatives is a male owned and driven,racist,chauvanist ,bigot filled private all male club!!!! And the women are just "yes-men" So much for middle-class equality...They don't & can't wear the trousers has portrayed.....The Kay Burley revolution,is just a media show...Behind the women is man in control and not a belief in Equal and spiritual soul-mates!!! I find gogglebox more politically intriguinging..!!..I have only ever seen it twice (Without the Vardys).... God....I need a snickers...!!!
String fellow Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 The only female PMs this country has ever had have been conservatives! Btw, it seems to me that this thread is being taken over by the hard left, whose main way of trying to make political points seems to be by throwing insults at people with different perspectives to their own.
Innovindil Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 5 minutes ago, String fellow said: The only female PMs this country has ever had have been conservatives! Btw, it seems to me that this thread is being taken over by the hard left, whose main way of trying to make political points seems to be by throwing insults at people with different perspectives to their own. Joined 9 January. You missed the best parts, tame as hell these days
Innovindil Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 15 minutes ago, StanSP said: What's Mark Field playing at?! Really don't want to defend the dude since I'm firmly in the don't lay hands on women catagory, but when you've got "protesters" threatening to put thousands of lives at risk by flying drones over airports, I don't think I'd willingly let one of them walk behind my back either. He went way over the top mind.
Izzy Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 8 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Where's a good woman saviour,when we need one!!!
StanSP Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 24 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Really don't want to defend the dude since I'm firmly in the don't lay hands on women catagory, but when you've got "protesters" threatening to put thousands of lives at risk by flying drones over airports, I don't think I'd willingly let one of them walk behind my back either. He went way over the top mind. I get that, but that's for security to deal with and an issue with that. The fact she's been reported to peacefully protest in that place anyway is all the more reason to believe she's harmless and he has definitely gone over the top.
davieG Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 2 minutes ago, StanSP said: I get that, but that's for security to deal with and an issue with that. The fact she's been reported to peacefully protest in that place anyway is all the more reason to believe she's harmless and he has definitely gone over the top. Just a couple of questions. Would we be having this debate if the protester had been a man and handle in the same way? Should women be treated differently in this respect?
StanSP Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 2 minutes ago, davieG said: Just a couple of questions. Would we be having this debate if the protester had been a man and handle in the same way? Should women be treated differently in this respect? Probably not to the same extent. But it's more to the fact that she's posed little threat walking past so many others and suddenly gets pushed and man-handled then grabbed by the neck and walked out...?
Innovindil Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 4 minutes ago, StanSP said: I get that, but that's for security to deal with and an issue with that. The fact she's been reported to peacefully protest in that place anyway is all the more reason to believe she's harmless and he has definitely gone over the top. From what I've read, Mark Field said there wasn't any security present. End result is he did go over the top, in retrospect he shouldn't have acted like that, but in the moment, at the very least I can understand it, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. He was heavy handed, but blowing it out of proportion isn't the way either, he didn't give her a smack, the most she got was maybe a bruise or two and a bit rattled. The way it's being reported you'd think he drop kicked her or some shit.
davieG Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 1 minute ago, StanSP said: Probably not to the same extent. But it's more to the fact that she's posed little threat walking past so many others and suddenly gets pushed and man-handled then grabbed by the neck and walked out...? I agree he was maybe a bit strong but can you be 100% sure, just because no one else stopped her doesn't mean she wasn't a treat especially in these days where violence is practically a norm.
Izzy Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 Can't see what Mark Field did wrong myself. Regardless of if she's a woman or not, I assume she wasn't invited and was there to cause trouble. She was walking at pace and he obviously clocked her protesters 'sash' she was wearing and stopped her in her tracks. All instinctive and I'm sure he meant her no physical harm but just wanted her out. If someone gatecrashed an event any of us were attending, I'm sure we wouldn't stand for it either.
Guest MattP Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 Easy to blame him in hindsight but some of these protestors are mentally unstable and capable of dangerous things. Can't blame politicians at all for reacting like that in the current climate. Don't see a problem with what he has done there at all.
Buce Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 1 hour ago, String fellow said: The only female PMs this country has ever had have been conservatives! Btw, it seems to me that this thread is being taken over by the hard left, whose main way of trying to make political points seems to be by throwing insults at people with different perspectives to their own.
Foxin_Mad Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 9 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Where's a good woman saviour,when we need one!!! 50 years of telling our equal they are......but can't hustle up a decent campaign,with 3 women to compete in 2019 against these wombats.. Just proves the conservatives is a male owned and driven,racist,chauvanist ,bigot filled private all male club!!!! And the women are just "yes-men" So much for middle-class equality...They don't & can't wear the trousers has portrayed.....The Kay Burley revolution,is just a media show...Behind the women is man in control and not a belief in Equal and spiritual soul-mates!!! I find gogglebox more politically intriguinging..!!..I have only ever seen it twice (Without the Vardys).... God....I need a snickers...!!! What have the peoples Labour party ever done to get a female or minority leader? The Tories at least had Javid in this competition. Labour have a upper middle class tweed wearing white anti-Semite old grandad with backward outdated hard left socialist views, so stuck in the 1970s its untrue. The leadership race thing has been a joke really, may as well just install Boris the clown as leader and get on with him not being able to negotiate a new deal with the EU and not be able to get his no deal through parliament, should be a good watch! 37 minutes ago, ealingfox said: The Nasty Party is well and truly back. The Corbyn Labour party have been around for a good few years now, they seem to be the truly nasty party from what I can tell.
Buce Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 27 minutes ago, davieG said: Just a couple of questions. Would we be having this debate if the protester had been a man and handle in the same way? Should women be treated differently in this respect? He wouldn't have done it to a man. 'Men' who lay their hands on women don't have the guts to do it when there's a chance they'll get some back.
Buce Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 " That is why we should all be proud that the UK remains committed to helping women all over the world to feel safe and protected in the work they do, so that they can speak freely and be part of the change we all want. I speak for not just the Foreign and Commonwealth Office but, I hope, everyone in Parliament when I say that we want a world in which all people are treated with fairness and dignity, and in which those fighting to improve human rights can do so without fear of discrimination, violence or retaliation..." Mark Fields, May 9th
davieG Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 11 minutes ago, Buce said: He wouldn't have done it to a man. 'Men' who lay their hands on women don't have the guts to do it when there's a chance they'll get some back. You know that for sure do you? I really don't see why women protesters should be treated differently they can also be violent. That's not to say he wasn't heaving handed even if it hand been a man.
David Guiza Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 I do enjoy how free speech and protest only applies to certain people at specific times and on an agreed basis. I thought it was the left that were supposedly quashing this? As for the 'what if she were a man' 'what if she had a weapon' questions, the fact of the matter is that she didn't and any reasonable person can see that she is walking and not not acting in an at all threatening or irrational way and is then slammed into a wall and grabbed by the neck. I don't think anybody believes that she shouldn't have been removed, and physically removed at that, but that is not a rationale and reasoned response and that level of aggression is a worry. You can tell by the silence in the room and the fact that he has handed himself over to investigation that people are aware he was/is in the wrong. 2 hours ago, String fellow said: The only female PMs this country has ever had have been conservatives! Btw, it seems to me that this thread is being taken over by the hard left, whose main way of trying to make political points seems to be by throwing insults at people with different perspectives to their own. Do you even know what the 'hard left' is? I hate this extremist rhetoric that people throw about like it's going out of fashion at the current time. I don't think anybody from Matt to Buce are even close to being extreme on either side and if you genuinely believe that what has been said in this thread is 'hard left' then I do worry.
Guest MattP Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 17 minutes ago, Buce said: He wouldn't have done it to a man. 'Men' who lay their hands on women don't have the guts to do it when there's a chance they'll get some back. This is one of the biggest cliches/myths going and the amount of times it gets repeated is disturbing. Just look at the amount of boxers who get caught slapping women about for a start. I'd imagine it's likely if you have a tendency to be violent that's the issue and you'll do it to women or men. (Although let's be clear this video certainly doesn't cross into the threshold of violence)
Guest MattP Posted 21 June 2019 Posted 21 June 2019 We really are in the midst of a culture war in this culture.
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