Climate change: What can we do?

[fuchsntf]

43 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I didn't say those countries, rather, the "poor" who live tribal lives far from the polluting cities.

In that case...Those indigenous tribes,most likely don't consider themselves "poor"...

Plus indigenous tribes,can just has much create their own small environmental problems....African,red -indian,Asian.old european...

carry the same guilt,the impact just took longer....

I look at life very simply,what ever we do,good or bad,is part of our nature...and that within itself,no matter the perspective of travisty,we are still only a part

of nature...we don't stand above it.!!!  We are not good guardians of our shared planet,we are what we are,our still basic instinct still shines well above any good

intentions....The biggest obvious feind is the group/tribal/individual. Hypocrisy...!!!  We are ..ALL guilty has charged..!!!

[Dr The Singh]

5 hours ago, OzFox said:

If you happen to own cows, feed them seaweed. It dramatically reduces their methane production.

 

Not sure how cows feel about it, but anyway, it's worth a shot.

I heard feeding them fillet steak medium rare does the same thing?

[Wymsey]

Abandon multi-national compamies and buy local produce etc from local outlets.

Use public transport than your own vehicle to places more often - if that's not possible, you could consider having an electric vehicle in the future.

Try and have some solar panels on your household roof.

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

3 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

In that case...Those indigenous tribes,most likely don't consider themselves "poor"...

Plus indigenous tribes,can just has much create their own small environmental problems....African,red -indian,Asian.old european...

carry the same guilt,the impact just took longer....

I look at life very simply,what ever we do,good or bad,is part of our nature...and that within itself,no matter the perspective of travisty,we are still only a part

of nature...we don't stand above it.!!!  We are not good guardians of our shared planet,we are what we are,our still basic instinct still shines well above any good

intentions....The biggest obvious feind is the group/tribal/individual. Hypocrisy...!!!  We are ..ALL guilty has charged..!!!

Which is why I put "" either side of the word poor.

 

Most First World people would consider them poor, but like anything, it's all relative.

 

It's been in the news that sanitary products are being given away free to girls at school who can't afford them... girls who probably have smartphones. I'm generalizing of course, there may be are a few genuine cases, but seriously, this shouldn't happen.

 

We live in a world of skewed values.

[OzFox]

5 hours ago, Dr The Singh said:

I heard feeding them fillet steak medium rare does the same thing?

Wasn't that how we ended up with mad cow disease?

Edited 17 April 2019 by OzFox

[OzFox]

9 hours ago, Royston. said:

Because if you didnt take those flights, no one else would...

 

Unless youre talking about your private jet..

 I wish

 

That reminds me of the stick Leonardo DiCaprio was getting a few years back for his 'eco warrior' Oscars acceptance speech. It was quickly pointed out he flies everywhere in a private jet and takes regular holidays on a big, diesel guzzling yacht.

 

He had to go and plant the Leonardo DiCaprio Forest somewhere in Mexico to offset his carbon dioxide emissions. 

[ozleicester]

15 hours ago, Izzy said:

In simple terms, could someone please explain why eating less meat helps climate change? 

 

I get the whole renewable energy, recycling thing, but how does eating less meat help things?

 

Thanking you...

 

Sorry just seen @David Guiza post above. Are you suggesting we stop breeding cows because they fart a lot? 

 

Does this help at all?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth

 

[Guest MattP]

The twats in London are attempting to shut down the tube today. What a bunch of complete morons. 

 

There used to be a time where big companies paid for protestors to make the green lobby look like a bunch of nutty lunatics - then groups like this and the Green party decided to come along and do it for free. 

 

They would do less damage to their own cause if they just opened a nuclear power station.

[Strokes]

10 minutes ago, MattP said:

The twats in London are attempting to shut down the tube today. What a bunch of complete morons. 

 

There used to be a time where big companies paid for protestors to make the green lobby look like a bunch of nutty lunatics - then groups like this and the Green party decided to come along and do it for free. 

 

They would do less damage to their own cause if they just opened a nuclear power station.

I’m so frustrated, I’ve just hidden some rigid plastic in my recycling bin, that’ll learn em.

[Alf Bentley]

1 minute ago, Strokes said:

I’m so frustrated, I’ve just hidden some rigid plastic in my recycling bin, that’ll learn em.

 

A bit rash, Strokes. You might need your dildo again some day.

[Buce]

4 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

A bit rash, Strokes. You might need your dildo again some day.

 

It would explain why he's frustrated, though.

[leicsmac]

Perhaps rehashing what was said yesterday, but as frustrating as these protestors might be to people, the concerns they raise are mostly real and humans at large need to either answer to them now or answer to an entity that cannot be bribed, cajoled, paid off or otherwise negotiated with later.

 

Of course, assuming zero regard for the future, you could chance that such a reckoning would only happen after you're gone.

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Perhaps rehashing what was said yesterday, but as frustrating as these protestors might be to people, the concerns they raise are mostly real and humans at large need to either answer to them now or answer to an entity that cannot be bribed, cajoled, paid off or otherwise negotiated with later.

 

Of course, assuming zero regard for the future, you could chance that such a reckoning would only happen after you're gone.

Forcing people to take taxis and cars instead of the tube cannot in any way be described as asking for answers from humanity on climate change.

 

This isn't about the environment, it's about causing a much chaos to peoples lives as possible.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

11 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said:

Abandon multi-national compamies and buy local produce etc from local outlets.

Use public transport than your own vehicle to places more often - if that's not possible, you could consider having an electric vehicle in the future.

Try and have some solar panels on your household roof.

 

Serious subject but I just had to! 

[Guest MattP]

Why do these movements always attract so many nutters as well?

 

 

[leicsmac]

17 minutes ago, MattP said:

Forcing people to take taxis and cars instead of the tube cannot in any way be described as asking for answers from humanity on climate change.

 

This isn't about the environment, it's about causing a much chaos to peoples lives as possible.

You are absolutely right, this IS about disruption of people's lives, as are most protests. And it is being done because the softly softly verbal approach hasn't worked, as evidenced by current leadership in many countries around the world.

 

Again, as said yesterday, you're probably right on that this is just going to piss people off and as such it isn't going to fulfill the objective it is meant to do and of course people are free to ignore it and treat it with contempt...right up until the day things change in a way that would make these protests seem like a tea party in terms of disruption.

 

If I'm talking like such drastic charges are inevitable in the long term if we continue as we are, that's because they are.

Edited 17 April 2019 by leicsmac

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

You are absolutely right, this IS about disruption of people's lives, as are most protests. And it is being done because the softly softly verbal approach hasn't worked, as evidenced by current leadership in many countries around the world.

 

Again, as said yesterday, you're probably right on that this is just going to piss people off and as such it isn't going to fulfill the objective it is meant to do and of course people are free to ignore it and treat it with contempt...right up until the day things change in a way that would make these protests seem like a tea party in terms of disruption.

 

If I'm talking like such drastic charges are inevitable in the long term if we continue as we are, that's because they are.

Most protests are not about deliberate disruption of people's lives at all. Very few are.

 

Britain has done far more than most on these issues and you can see there are more sinister intentions in this protests than the climate. Are any of these demonstrating outside the Chinese embassy? Of course not.

 

Today these people are going to block the tube and shut down bus routes, middle class protestors who'll be overwhelmingly hurting the poorest people in society trying to earn money to put food on the table - they aren't climate change protestors - they are scumbags breaking the law who should be facing some serious time in prison.

[ozleicester]

10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

You are absolutely right, this IS about disruption of people's lives, as are most protests. And it is being done because the softly softly verbal approach hasn't worked, as evidenced by current leadership in many countries around the world.

 

Again, as said yesterday, you're probably right on that this is just going to piss people off and as such it isn't going to fulfill the objective it is meant to do and of course people are free to ignore it and treat it with contempt...right up until the day things change in a way that would make these protests seem like a tea party in terms of disruption.

 

If I'm talking like such drastic charges are inevitable in the long term if we continue as we are, that's because they are.

Those suffragettes used to be a real pain too.

[Heathrow fox]

17 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Stop buying chinese goods.

 

 

Looking at that pie chart Poland and Canada are the worst offenders ?

[Buce]

19 minutes ago, MattP said:

Most protests are not about deliberate disruption of people's lives at all. Very few are.

 

Britain has done far more than most on these issues and you can see there are more sinister intentions in this protests than the climate. Are any of these demonstrating outside the Chinese embassy? Of course not.

 

Today these people are going to block the tube and shut down bus routes, middle class protestors who'll be overwhelmingly hurting the poorest people in society trying to earn money to put food on the table - they aren't climate change protestors - they are scumbags breaking the law who should be facing some serious time in prison.

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Have a word with yourself.

 

You get more reactionary by the day.

Edited 17 April 2019 by Buce

[Buce]

34 minutes ago, MattP said:

Why do these movements always attract so many nutters as well?

 

 

 

Whereas the wilful destruction of the only planet we have is sanity personified.

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

You get more reactionary by the day.

What it reactionary about enforcing the law?

 

How long do you think they should be allowed to block roads or shut down public transport before they go to prison then?

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Buce said:

Whereas the wilful destruction of the only planet we have is sanity personified.

If that's the future is probably is.

[Buce]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

What it reactionary about enforcing the law?

 

How long do you think they should be allowed to block roads or shut down public transport before they go to prison then?

 

Forever.

 

Civil disobedience is not an imprisonable offence.

[Innovindil]

3 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Forever.

 

Civil disobedience is not an imprisonable offence.

Easy to say when it's not you losing money I guess. 

 

If someone was stopping me from getting to work and providing for my family, I'd expect them to be dealt with tbh.