Barnes

[Tom12345]

We all know we have a great young talent in Barnes. He obviously did very well with WBA last season where he was given more freedom down the middle. Where should he play this season? Still as a winger on the left? I am not sure that is where it most suit him. With the signing of Perez, Tielemans and possibly another “first choice” winger, would his development be hampered this year? Does Rodgers rate him? To me he is an even bigger talent than Maddison. His stats were much better than those of Maddison in the Championship. Maddison obviously had a head start over Barnes by half a season, but Barnes looks more dangerous going forward and his set pieces are actually better.  Could he even play in Maddison’s position?

 

I really think Barnes could be a big superstar and I hope Rodgers sees that.

 

Your thoughts?

 

Edited 13 July 2019 by Tom12345

[jeffschlupp]

I think his future is as a left winger, assuming we stick with the 4-3-3 we ended the season with. His pace is too big of an asset to be wasted in the middle, IMO.

 

Rodgers clearly rates him - he started all of his first 6 in charge, was took out of the firing line after Newcastle but came on to score at West Ham, and was used as a sub again for the last 3 while he trialled Maddison wide and Choudhury in the middle.

 

He is our best winger, I think. Albrighton isn't mobile enough to play regularly in this team; Gray is yet to find the attacking returns, and Ghezzal has been forced out seemingly by our fans' bizarre hatred of him.

 

Ayoze will come in to play across the front line, but i don't see him starting ahead of Barnes to start with. Barnes on the left, a left footed Mahrez-type on the right would be great.

[yorkie1999]

When he bangs 15 goals in I’ll start believing he’s a superstar

[Pst]

20 minutes ago, Tom12345 said:

We all know we have a great young talent in Barnes. He obviously did very well with WBA last season where he was given more freedom down the middle. Where should he play this season? Still as a winger on the left? I am not sure that is where it most suit him. With the signing of Perez, Tielemans and possibly another “first choice” winger, would his development be hampered this year? Does Rogers rate him? To me he is an even bigger talent than Maddison. His stats were much better than those of Maddison in the Championship. Maddison obviously had a head start over Barnes by half a season, but Barnes look more dangerous going forward and his set pieces are actually better.  Could he even play in Maddison’s position?

 

I really think Barnes could be a big superstar and I hope Rogers sees that.

 

Your thoughts?

 

Who is Rogers?

[Tom12345]

3 minutes ago, Pst said:

Who is Rogers?

Fixed. Thanks?

[Stadt]

Vardy

Barnes                        Perez

 Tielemans     Maddison

Ndidi

Chilwell Evans HM/CS/FB Pereira

 Kasper

[Leeds Fox]

14 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Vardy

Barnes                        Perez

 Tielemans     Maddison

Ndidi

Chilwell Evans HM/CS/FB Pereira

 Kasper

 That really is some team. Looking forward to the season and seeing how we shape up. 

[Stadt]

7 hours ago, Leeds Fox said:

 That really is some team. Looking forward to the season and seeing how we shape up. 

Big difference for me is that Barnes’ bad finishing last season seems unsustainable so he'll hit 8-10 goals and Perez will get 10-12, which is a huge compared to Albrighton and Gray's ability to score.

Edited 14 July 2019 by Stadt

[Nicolo Barella]

2 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

We all know we have a great young talent in Barnes. He obviously did very well with WBA last season where he was given more freedom down the middle. Where should he play this season? Still as a winger on the left? I am not sure that is where it most suit him. With the signing of Perez, Tielemans and possibly another “first choice” winger, would his development be hampered this year? Does Rodgers rate him? To me he is an even bigger talent than Maddison. His stats were much better than those of Maddison in the Championship. Maddison obviously had a head start over Barnes by half a season, but Barnes looks more dangerous going forward and his set pieces are actually better.  Could he even play in Maddison’s position?

 

I really think Barnes could be a big superstar and I hope Rodgers sees that.

 

Your thoughts?

 

I agree that Barnes is excellent, but i don't think giving him a free role would waste his talent.  Perhaps he couldn't make use of his pace in the orthodox way, but I see his talents in off the ball movement, creativity, and finishing (whilst atrocious in the PL, it's been good everywhere else, and will catch up with him eventually). Behind a strike partnership of Perez and Vardy, he could be very good. 

[pSinatra]

Basically Liverpool's formation

 

Replace Firmino/Sane/Salah with Barnes/Vardy/Perez

[AKCJ]

I really do think that Barnes will be an absolutely wonderful player. But if this really is to be the team that 'cracks' the top 6 and stays there then I really don't think he can be a full starter. I think we do need a top class winger for the here and now, giving Barnes the space and time to develop rather than chucking him in.

 

Looking at Stadt's team (which I agree is our strongest) I think if we were to add a winger of genuine class then I think we'd almost be favourites for a top 6 finish. Think of Riyad. If we added him to our team right now we'd be absolutely sensational. I'm too worried that we rely on Vardy too much. I think a winger that can add 7-9 goals (they really don't grow on trees, I know) then we'd just have to sit back and watch the likes of Youri, Maddison, Ndidi, Barnes, Chilwell and Choudhury grow into some of the best players in the country.

 

 

[Dr The Singh]

John > Harvey

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

Big difference for me is that Barnes bad finishing last season seems unsustainable so he'll hit 8-10 goals and Perez will get 10-12, which is a huge compared to Albrighton and Gray's ability to score.

Let's be honest about this. You send an inexperienced kid to West Brom. He does incredibly well playing in a particular position and scores a number of goals and becomes a crowd favourite. We bring him back, stick him in the Premiership in a different position against some Premiership and sometimes international defenders and he doesn't score a hat full of goals and you think his 'bad finishing is unsustainable'? What planet are you on? Have a word with yourself and get a grip on reality,  he was pushed into action arguably too early when we needed an alternative and did bloody well, what could anyone reasonably expect from him? It was exactly the same attitude by some of our supporters that whined in similar manner when Chilwell had his debut season and God forgive, made a few errors whilst those same supporters ignored anything positive that he did. Now after a  very short space of time, he's an international and worth 60m +. 

 

Do fans like you think we really have to go out and blow x millions of pounds on an off the shelf risk player,  where's all the dosh for the future coming from? Give this boy a pre-season and reasonable chance under a decent coach, sit back and instead of saying that after a couple of months his contribution is unsustainable and just see what he can perhaps achieve. Young players like Barnes and Chilwell are the absolute life blood of our club either playing wise or for their monetary value. It's how our club has to work to sustain itself. As one wise previous manager rightly stated 'delusions of grandeur'!

[Nickfosse]

2 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Let's be honest about this. You send an inexperienced kid to West Brom. He does incredibly well playing in a particular position and scores a number of goals and becomes a crowd favourite. We bring him back, stick him in the Premiership in a different position against some Premiership and sometimes international defenders and he doesn't score a hat full of goals and you think his 'bad finishing is unsustainable'? What planet are you on? Have a word with yourself and get a grip on reality,  he was pushed into action arguably too early when we needed an alternative and did bloody well, what could anyone reasonably expect from him? It was exactly the same attitude by some of our supporters that whined in similar manner when Chilwell had his debut season and God forgive, made a few errors whilst those same supporters ignored anything positive that he did. Now after a  very short space of time, he's an international and worth 60m +. 

 

Do fans like you think we really have to go out and blow x millions of pounds on an off the shelf risk player,  where's all the dosh for the future coming from? Give this boy a pre-season and reasonable chance under a decent coach, sit back and instead of saying that after a couple of months his contribution is unsustainable and just see what he can perhaps achieve. Young players like Barnes and Chilwell are the absolute life blood of our club either playing wise or for their monetary value. It's how our club has to work to sustain itself. As one wise previous manager rightly stated 'delusions of grandeur'!

I think you might have the wrong end of the stick there mate. I think he’s speaking in favour of Barnes and suggesting that his lack of goals for us is just a blip he’ll come through and that he will be scoring plenty soon. 

Or maybe I misunderstood ?

[rachhere]

8 minutes ago, Nickfosse said:

I think you might have the wrong end of the stick there mate. I think he’s speaking in favour of Barnes and suggesting that his lack of goals for us is just a blip he’ll come through and that he will be scoring plenty soon. 

Or maybe I misunderstood ?

That's how i interpreted it too! It was the right thing to bring Harvey back - he's had a time of no pressure to adapt to the premiership, and I am sure with a bit of work over preseason he will be flying in 19/20. 

[WigstonWanderer]

37 minutes ago, Nickfosse said:

I think you might have the wrong end of the stick there mate. I think he’s speaking in favour of Barnes and suggesting that his lack of goals for us is just a blip he’ll come through and that he will be scoring plenty soon. 

Or maybe I misunderstood ?

Yup, I think it was the use of the word “unsustainable” that confused him, but it was meant as a positive.

[murphy]

I think he has to play.  He is good enough and he needs to play to develop into the kind of special player that I think he could become and that we probably couldn't afford to buy.

 

He was dropped into the deep end mid season and did pretty well I thought.  Unlucky not to add more than two goals (yes, I am counting that og against Wolves).  With a pre season under his belt I expect him to improve.  He is the one winger that has me on the edge of my seat in a way that Albrighton and Gray never can. 

[1972 Fox]

5 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

When he bangs 15 goals in I’ll start believing he’s a superstar

Believe as I do. He will do. Might take him a season or two but he is definitely a player of Premier League quality IMO.

[ramadaone]

Personally not sure Barnes or Gray will start in front of Albrighton against the big boys until BR is 100% sure they can furfill their defensive responsibilities 

Not Albrightons biggest fan but didn't he start in front of these two towards the end of last season once he was fully match fit ?

Apologies if he didnt

 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

Let's be honest about this. You send an inexperienced kid to West Brom. He does incredibly well playing in a particular position and scores a number of goals and becomes a crowd favourite. We bring him back, stick him in the Premiership in a different position against some Premiership and sometimes international defenders and he doesn't score a hat full of goals and you think his 'bad finishing is unsustainable'? What planet are you on? Have a word with yourself and get a grip on reality,  he was pushed into action arguably too early when we needed an alternative and did bloody well, what could anyone reasonably expect from him? It was exactly the same attitude by some of our supporters that whined in similar manner when Chilwell had his debut season and God forgive, made a few errors whilst those same supporters ignored anything positive that he did. Now after a  very short space of time, he's an international and worth 60m +. 

 

Do fans like you think we really have to go out and blow x millions of pounds on an off the shelf risk player,  where's all the dosh for the future coming from? Give this boy a pre-season and reasonable chance under a decent coach, sit back and instead of saying that after a couple of months his contribution is unsustainable and just see what he can perhaps achieve. Young players like Barnes and Chilwell are the absolute life blood of our club either playing wise or for their monetary value. It's how our club has to work to sustain itself. As one wise previous manager rightly stated 'delusions of grandeur'!

....not sure Stadt meant it as a negative!

He clearly clarifies the comment that he will score x amount of goals this term and the unsustainable part is that he would not be repeating the goal figures of last season. Poor choice of words with seemingly a double meaning!!!!

[Tom12345]

5 hours ago, pSinatra said:

Basically Liverpool's formation

 

Replace Firmino/Sane/Salah with Barnes/Vardy/Perez

I would love to see that. Where then would be Maddison and Tielemans? I also would want to see Albrighton too. How about?

 

Vardy/Perez

Barnes/Tielemans/Albrighton

Ndidi (or Hamza or Maddison)

Chilwell/Evans/Maguire (or Soyuncu)/Ricardo

 

Edited 13 July 2019 by Tom12345

[Tom12345]

6 hours ago, Stadt said:

Vardy

Barnes                        Perez

 Tielemans     Maddison

Ndidi

Chilwell Evans HM/CS/FB Pereira

 Kasper

A great team indeed, but I would think we need to fit in Albrighton in there. He brings something else the rest does not - that quick cross field long ball up to one of the front three. I may even drop Ndidi or Maddison (depending on the opponent) for Albrighton.

[Tom12345]

1 hour ago, murphy said:

I think he has to play.  He is good enough and he needs to play to develop into the kind of special player that I think he could become and that we probably couldn't afford to buy.

 

He was dropped into the deep end mid season and did pretty well I thought.  Unlucky not to add more than two goals (yes, I am counting that og against Wolves).  With a pre season under his belt I expect him to improve.  He is the one winger that has me on the edge of my seat in a way that Albrighton and Gray never can. 

He definitely has that extra bit of edge that separates good PL players from worldclass players. I think he definitely could be a worldclass player - he just needs a season or two more. I think he is a bit Salah-like to be honest.

 

I wouldnt want to downgrade Albrighton though. He does not do the fancy dribbling but his first time passing is superb and this single element of his game is I think of top PL quality - not worldclass, but the only player (apart from Fuchs who will not play much) who can do that 50 yards pass that can unleash Vardy and Perez in a flash. We need that kind of element in our game to keep our opponents guessing. If our whole team is full of Maddisons - the dribbling taking his time with possesson type of players (which you still need) - our game would become too predictable. 

Edited 13 July 2019 by Tom12345

[Tom12345]

1 hour ago, ramadaone said:

Personally not sure Barnes or Gray will start in front of Albrighton against the big boys until BR is 100% sure they can furfill their defensive responsibilities 

Not Albrightons biggest fan but didn't he start in front of these two towards the end of last season once he was fully match fit ?

Apologies if he didnt

 

Albrighton did start but it was probably also just to give him a game or two to see what he can do at the end of the season. Wouldnt think that meant necessarily Rodgers like him over Barnes.

 

Dare I say though, but I wouldnt mind dropping Maddison instead of Barnes for Albrighton? Barnes did better than Maddison in the championship and I think many of us did not think Maddison played all that well last season (I recall there was a lot whinging towards him in the second part of the season), despite the media kept quoting stats that he was one of the most creative? Maddison should not be considered a must on our team sheet. Tielemans did make him look better and he did score a goal or two from free kicks but he takes all our free kicks (and corners) and most of them were pretty poor. Barnes takes corners for WBA and if you followed him back then they were of better quality than Maddison’s!

 

And by the way, this is why Southgate dropped Maddison from the senior squad! He saw how bad he was second half of last season!

Edited 13 July 2019 by Tom12345

[Stadt]

Lmao I think despite some serious competition I’ve rimmed Harvey Barnes more than anybody else on this forum and now because of a post praising him some old fella that’s had too many creamflows is raging at me. Never change foxestalk.