The VAR thread

[Mr Weller 2]

There’s no top 6 conspiracy here-we were just a bit unlucky. It’s disappointing but with such marginal decisions it’s inevitable 

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

yeah i do but how can one be off and another not, and on the barnes one you could easily point that it could be davies's chest keeping HB onside

but odds and sods

think the challenge on faes was the worse imo

Because one was offside and the other not. Read back through the thread, I’ve clearly pointed out how var works and why Barnes was offside.

[Mickyblueeyes]

24 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

‘Marcel Sabitzer avoided a red card because VAR officials didn’t feel the Manchester Unitedmidfielder’s tackle was made with sufficient force or momentum.‘

 

 

Wait, what ? So the intent doesn’t matter now, it’s all about the leg break for the red card. Crazy.

 

Ive always said this but football is a global sport and refereeing in this country is very limited. Even with Var the refs struggle to make the most basic decisions. There is an intelligence issue and perhaps there needs to be more of criteria than someone who can run up and down a pitch. 

[splinterdream]

10 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I see people still haven’t understood the concept of perspective then. 

i thought this but you do have the line of the grass to go on and it isn't even in line with that

[FrankieADZ]

like now, how isnt that a Spurs pen?

second game in a row now WHU have handled it in the box and nothing

will there be an uproar

[adam]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

Because one was offside and the other not. Read back through the thread, I’ve clearly pointed out how var works and why Barnes was offside.

Barnes wasn't offside. What you going on about. It's pretty clear as long as your eyes work.

[cruzFOX]

the inconsistency is a farce. someone is gonna get relegated this season on the basis of a bad VAR call i can just see it. (hope its not us)

[Babylon]

5 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

i thought this but you do have the line of the grass to go on and it isn't even in line with that

Looks fine to me. Again perspective will mean the line this side looks further from the line than the far side. It isn’t going to look the same distance from the line all the way across and thus it will look wonky.

[moore_94]

Brendan Rodgers Post Match

 

Sabitzer on Faes?

"It is a sending off, a straight leg on to the knee, how it was not looked at and deemed that is incredible."

 

Think of any reason why it wouldn't be given?

"I don’t know. The last few weeks some of the decisions we have seen. Someone has said it was after an incident but I don’t buy that. Look at Arsenal’s pen v Man City, Nketiah has a shot but the follow through makes it a foul. He has straight legged him right on his knee."

[Babylon]

7 minutes ago, adam said:

Barnes wasn't offside. What you going on about. It's pretty clear as long as your eyes work.

You clearly a) don’t understand how var works, and b) you don’t understand perspective. 
 

Don’t embarrass yourself any further.

[splinterdream]

Just now, Babylon said:

Looks fine to me. Again perspective will mean the line this side looks further from the line than the far side. It isn’t going to look the same distance from the line all the way across and thus it will look wonky.

i saw your vanishing point post after posting this, I understand it more now, i'd still personally like it scrapped for offside, we can't even be sure it was at the point the ball was being passed, I'd be more inclined to trust the lino if he flags

[Babylon]

Just now, splinterdream said:

i saw your vanishing point post after posting this, I understand it more now, i'd still personally like it scrapped for offside, we can't even be sure it was at the point the ball was being passed, I'd be more inclined to trust the lino if he flags

That’s one of the bigger issues, the point the ball is kicked. But so long as they use the frame it moves for all then it’s fair.

[adam]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

You clearly a) don’t understand how var works, and b) you don’t understand perspective. 
 

Don’t embarrass yourself any further.

What's perspective got to do with it when the lines are drawn in the wrong position?

[Sunbury Fox]

The naked eye test suggested Rashford was off. Was genuinely surprised when they declared it onside.

[Babylon]

43 minutes ago, adam said:

What's perspective got to do with it when the lines are drawn in the wrong position?

They weren’t drawn in the wrong position, your belief they were just proves you don’t understand the two points I listed. 

[HybridFox]

43 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

The naked eye test suggested Rashford was off. Was genuinely surprised when they declared it onside.

Should always be the case with the benefit of doubt given to the on-field decision where it's very close.

 

Those silly lines offer nothing and this wasn't even close imo

[Itsthejoeker]

The on-field decisions should stand unless there is clear evidence the decision is an error. You cannot tell me there is clear evidence for that Rashford goal when the lino on the opposite side flagged it. 

[adam]

16 minutes ago, Babylon said:

They weren’t drawn in the wrong position, your belief they were just proves you don’t understand the two points I listed. 

They clearly were

[Scotch]

We need to scrap VAR and get in the automated offside technology that they had at the WC. 

 

Freeze it, Isolate the players and spin the camera to see it from every angle. 

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, adam said:

They clearly were

How ? The software is calibrated to be at ninety degrees to the touch lines - the grass line  on the pitch is a) not guaranteed to be at ninety degrees and b) will have a perspective difference as you look towards the far touchline on the image when compared to the overlaid lines 

[st albans fox]

Just now, Scotch said:

We need to scrap VAR and get in the automated offside technology that they had at the WC. 

 

Freeze it, Isolate the players and spin the camera to see it from every angle. 

Yes but the PL have refused until next august 

[Itsthejoeker]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Yes but the PL have refused until next august 

I think this is the fairest decision, as much as the current approach is shite

[Foxdiamond]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Wait, what ? So the intent doesn’t matter now, it’s all about the leg break for the red card. Crazy.

 

Ive always said this but football is a global sport and refereeing in this country is very limited. Even with Var the refs struggle to make the most basic decisions. There is an intelligence issue and perhaps there needs to be more of criteria than someone who can run up and down a pitch. 

The ref did not even give a yellow and VAR bloke compounded error by not alerting that it should be a red

[justfoxes]

VAR check At old Trafford 

 

[UniFox21]

Interested to see how the PGMOL decide to excuse this one as not being a red