Coronavirus Thread

[joachim1965]

7 hours ago, simFox said:

https://gbdeclaration.org/

 

A bit of sense. Someone tell that prat Whitty..

pointless. Common sense as well as fun is banned in the " new normal" .

[joachim1965]

50 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

The poor use of illustrative data continues into another day on the BBC...

 

 

We'll title it a prediction but then call it an illustration and not a prediction in the small print though.

wild predictions , used to induce fear, we were supposed to have 50,000 cases a day by now.

[Leicester_Loyal]

39 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Manchester and Lancashire likely to be added to tier 3, probably tomorrow. So Andy Burnham spent weeks moaning about closing hospitality to then suggesting they need to go into tier 3 

 

8 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

he didn’t realise that a high level lockdown meant most pubs would stay open ......

 

infact, because he doesn’t go to a gym, bookie or casino, he isn’t bothered ! 

Is this the bloke that wants national lockdowns instead of local, so we have to copy say Manchester because they have a high rate? Genuine question I saw something about it a few days ago, saying everyone should be treated the same, not sure if it was him, if it is, idiot

[yorkie1999]

I think the current approach of chasing the virus with local lockdowns is as good as what can be done at the moment. We just need that extra bit from students in universities to show a bit of responsibility and stop shagging each other.

[FoxesDeb]

3 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

wild predictions , used to induce fear, we were supposed to have 50,000 cases a day by now.

When you say 'we were supposed to have', do you mean that was the worst case scenario that was presented to us a while ago? So not actually 'what we were supposed to have'? Just something else you've read recently on Facebook and decided to go along with in the absence of any actual data or facts?

[FoxesDeb]

2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

I think the current approach of chasing the virus with local lockdowns is as good as what can be done at the moment. We just need that extra bit from students in universities to show a bit of responsibility and stop shagging each other.

I'm getting married tomorrow. In the interests of social distancing there will be no shagging going on 

[Legend_in_blue]

8 hours ago, simFox said:

https://gbdeclaration.org/

 

A bit of sense. Someone tell that prat Whitty..

I listened to one of the scientists who formed this today with two of his colleagues.  It was an interesting and thought provoking conversation.

 

He speaks far too much sense though to be believable by the mainstream, which is a shame.  In fact, Hancock dismissed it out of hand, because obviously the science of the past 50 years is wrong regarding respiratory viruses as of March 23rd this year.

Edited 14 October 2020 by Legend_in_blue

[Legend_in_blue]

20 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

When you say 'we were supposed to have', do you mean that was the worst case scenario that was presented to us a while ago? So not actually 'what we were supposed to have'? Just something else you've read recently on Facebook and decided to go along with in the absence of any actual data or facts?

You cannot criticise his opinion on this when this data was presented on the basis of no actual data or facts in the first place.

 

It wasn't a while ago either.  It was the day before the 10pm curfew was announced.  Of course, you could attribute the 10pm curfew to having an effect on current numbers compared to "what was predicted" or conversely you could quite easily come to a conclusion that this is an irresponsible and scare mongering attempt to make out the situation is far worse than it actually is.  Data or no data, it's an appalling misuse of statistics and was used irresponsibly as the opening narrative of the press conference.

 

Oh, one more thing, here's the "actual data"...

 

 

 

 

Edited 14 October 2020 by Legend_in_blue

[fuchsntf]

7 hours ago, twoleftfeet said:

Are their any vacancies for my 8 yr little boy has set his heart on cleaning chimneys but i think he needs to work int mill.

Silly...he can become a virologist, experimenting ,developing ,searching for a covid-119 vaccine....

[yorkie1999]

33 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I'm getting married tomorrow. In the interests of social distancing there will be no shagging going on 

We all say that until the wine starts flowing

[FoxesDeb]

22 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

You cannot criticise his opinion on this when this data was presented on the basis of no actual data or facts in the first place.

 

It wasn't a while ago either.  It was the day before the 10pm curfew was announced.  Of course, you could attribute the 10pm curfew to having an effect on current numbers compared to "what was predicted" or conversely you could quite easily come to a conclusion that this is an irresponsible and scare mongering attempt to make out the situation is far worse than it actually is.  Data or no data, it's an appalling misuse of statistics and was used irresponsibly as the opening narrative of the press conference.

 

Oh, one more thing, here's the "actual data"...

 

 

 

 

Are you pissed? 

[joachim1965]

36 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

When you say 'we were supposed to have', do you mean that was the worst case scenario that was presented to us a while ago? So not actually 'what we were supposed to have'? Just something else you've read recently on Facebook and decided to go along with in the absence of any actual data or facts?

There's been a lot of worse case scenarios over the last few months that have been wildly out, Mr Fergusons 500, 000 deaths was the first. Just to let you know, I don't do Facebook. 

[joachim1965]

3 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Are you pissed? 

Whitty and Vallance obviously were.

[st albans fox]

Vallance would simply say that there probably are 40-50k cases per day .....we just aren’t testing everyone who is positive ! 

[Leicester_Loyal]

So sad

Edited 14 October 2020 by Leicester_Loyal

[simFox]

1 hour ago, FoxesDeb said:

I'm getting married tomorrow. In the interests of social distancing there will be no shagging going on 

That's nothing to do with social distancing, it's standard practice after you get married.

[simFox]

1 hour ago, Legend_in_blue said:

I listened to one of the scientists who formed this today with two of his colleagues.  It was an interesting and thought provoking conversation.

 

He speaks far too much sense though to be believable by the mainstream, which is a shame.  In fact, Hancock dismissed it out of hand, because obviously the science of the past 50 years is wrong regarding respiratory viruses as of March 23rd this year.

Got a link? Wouldn't mind listening myself.

[Lionator]

53 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

There's been a lot of worse case scenarios over the last few months that have been wildly out, Mr Fergusons 500, 000 deaths was the first. Just to let you know, I don't do Facebook. 

Ferguson's forecast was based on an unmitigated epidemic. Covid has a 1% worse case fatality rate, if hospitals are overwhelmed it would be higher. 80%infection achieves herd immunity. 80% of our population is 50 million. 1% of 50 million is 500,000.

 

If we'd carried on completely as normal, then that's what would've happened. Hence why we took the measures we did and why it's important we continue to take measures until we have a vaccine.  

[joachim1965]

3 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Ferguson's forecast was based on an unmitigated epidemic. Covid has a 1% worse case fatality rate, if hospitals are overwhelmed it would be higher. 80%infection achieves herd immunity. 80% of our population is 50 million. 1% of 50 million is 500,000.

 

If we'd carried on completely as normal, then that's what would've happened. Hence why we took the measures we did and why it's important we continue to take measures until we have a vaccine.  

It would not,  he gave equally wild predictions for swine flu and bird flu, we didn't take any action then and the world didn't end.

I will look for his previous figures and post them when I have them.

[joachim1965]

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

3 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

I think you are probably right, and I'm interested to know what you think the alternatives are?

If only I could answer that question. Like many on here I’ve wracked my brains to what would be the best case scenario.

 I believe my mum and dad are frightened and have/are willing to sacrifice any close  social contact with their family to remain safe and I respect that decision completely but (and it’s a big but) I wouldn’t do the same if I were in their shoes. I would want to continue living my life and enjoying my family, hugs from the grandchildren etc.

If this is going to be the new world for the foreseeable future then it’s going to be a desperately sad and lonely one for many many people.

 

[Guest Fktf]

2 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

I listened to one of the scientists who formed this today with two of his colleagues.  It was an interesting and thought provoking conversation.

 

He speaks far too much sense though to be believable by the mainstream, which is a shame.  In fact, Hancock dismissed it out of hand, because obviously the science of the past 50 years is wrong regarding respiratory viruses as of March 23rd this year.

So why dont we have heard immunity to flu yet?

[martyn]

Right @joachim1965 except those swine flu and bird flu forecasts are completely and utterly irrelevant when it comes to the actual tangible statistics around Covid. 

 

We have 40000+ dead, likely more judging by ONS statistics, with maybe 6-10% or so of the UK population having been infected. Do the maths and you might get quite close to Fergusons "wildly out" figure. 

 

Fine to have an opinion about opening up being the best route forward for the country, but not fine to use misinformation to do it. 

Edited 14 October 2020 by martyn

[Leicester_Loyal]

Quarantine of 2 weeks set to be scrapped, instead they'll be quarantine for a week then you take a COVID test, if it's negative you can come out. This will be paid for by the traveller.

[Guest Harrydc]

2 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Quarantine of 2 weeks set to be scrapped, instead they'll be quarantine for a week then you take a COVID test, if it's negative you can come out. This will be paid for by the traveller.

Is this for real? Surely not needing a medical pass to come out your house.