Positive Points from te run in

[Captain...]

11 hours ago, st albans fox said:

In response to the OP, we needed 13 and we got 9 ......

 

11 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

Winning 2 of our last 9 games still doesn’t give me a lot to be positive about. 

 

10 hours ago, murphy said:

 

I like your attitude and having good stab at this but the run in was a humiliating shambles.  

 

Pathetic.  Truly pathetic.

 

10 hours ago, SuperMike said:

hits the nail squarely on the head. EXTREMELY fearful for next season - as everyone who remembers Peter Taylor's time will also be.

 

6 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Will we be the team that's to good to go down next season?

Thank fvck for you guys I had forgotten what happened.

[Nalis]

11 hours ago, Post Horn Galloper said:

The disappointment of missing out on a Champions' League place will not easily subside, but every cloud has a silver lining, so let's consider some positives from the last nine games.

1. Iheanacho has really looked to be a good attacker, with a goal threat, who can complement Vardy next season. One of my main gripes against Brendan Rogers has been the way he either substitutes Kelechi or deselects him, when playing well. I am sure that Vardy is less likely to be crowded out when Kelechi is playing alongside. I felt a sharp pang of despair whenever I saw Dennis Praet coming on for Kelechi.  Brendan was replacing an attacker able to score goals with a midfielder who, whilst not a bad player, is unlikely ever to find the net. 

2. James Justin has proved to be a good right back - very sound defensively (e.g. in the last game against Manu). He isn't yet as good as Ricardo going forward but who in the League is?

3. Luke Thomas is a real prospect who did not look out of his depth when brought in for some difficult games.

4. I have been a little underwhelmed by Youri T this season but I thought he played pretty well in the last games  (Is he  better when he and Maddison are not competing for the same space?)..

5. Gray looked a threat when coming on. He scored against SheffU and looked good against ManU - I really feel that next season could bring about the long awaited break-through.

     Viewed as a whole it's been a good season. Has anyone else out there got other positive points to shatter the gloom?

I think 1-4 are fair enough.

 

If anything the break has proved that Gray cant cut it consistently here. I've said in another thread that he goes in a cycle of playing brilliantly off the bench, getting rewarded with a start in the following game and being total sh ite in that. 

 

Obviously hope I'm proved wrong but cant see it happening.

[murphy]

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Edited 4 August 2020 by murphy

[murphy]

24 minutes ago, Captain... said:

 

 

Thank fvck for you guys I had forgotten what happened.

 

It was something like this...

 

[Captain...]

Positives for me are we have highlighted that our squad is not good enough we need more strength in depth not just like for like replacements but players that can come and change the way we play, we did show tactical flexibility but also naivety.

 

We were down to our bare bones of a squad yet we still dominated games against lesser opposition and competed well against the media darlings. We just lacked a cutting edge and a bit of luck and individual mistakes cost us.

 

Watford - we dominated and conceded a last minute overhead kick from a centre back

Brighton - we dominated but couldn't score

Everton - slow start daft penalty but we were the better team when Maddison came on

Palace - dominated game

Arsenal - we were the better team at times and outplayed Arsenal in patches

Bournemouth - dominated first half look set to win easily, then imploded spectacularly

Sheffield Utd - dominated game

Spurs - 3 mistakes cost us 3 goals other than that we controlled large parts of the game

Man Utd - we matched utd for large parts of the game but again mistakes cost us

 

Ultimately we didn't get enough points, but apart from the second half at Bournemouth and the first 20 vs Everton we played well, we didn't get the points our performances deserved and it was individual mistakes that cost us not us being collectively shit.

 

We also saw Kelechi, Justin, Gray and Thomas get valuable game time and experience if we can build on that they will all be useful squad members in what will be a long season. 

 

 

 

Edited 4 August 2020 by Captain...

[Captain...]

2 minutes ago, murphy said:

 

It was something like this...

 

I know, we all know, I watched nearly every minute of it, we have thousands of posts about how shit it was. This is a thread looking for positives.

[CosbehFox]

11 hours ago, shailen said:

Am I the only one that's still unsure about Justin. He's got plenty of time to improve but he's not really that composed on the ball. He's solid defensively.

 

Thomas looks a real prospect - I'm really excited about him. I think he could give Robertson a run for his money on assists over the course of a season and he will get better defensively given time. 

Justin goes through bad spells in games but has the grit to work at it. Man U he had a testy first twenty and then excelled. He has bad days as expected but follows them with decent days as well. 
 

Ive said before and got trashed - the end of season, performances were okay but we were prone to total brain****s for twenty minutes. Brighton home was a disaster. If we took some of our chances in other games we’d have been laughing but then continually pressed the self destruct button at times  

[murphy]

3 minutes ago, Captain... said:

I know, we all know, I watched nearly every minute of it, we have thousands of posts about how shit it was. This is a thread looking for positives.

 

Good luck.

 

There are no positives, no silver lining, no Champions League.

 

I take your point though.  I will bow out and take my grumpiness with me.

[LestaAl]

I still feel that somewhere there is a good team in the squad waiting to get out. Need to wait and see what transfers occur  to figure how good .

[daddylonglegs]

11 hours ago, murphy said:

 

I like your attitude and having good stab at this but the run in was a humiliating shambles.  

 

Pathetic.  Truly pathetic.

Absolutely this. I love the attitude of some to find the positives but you've hit the nail on the head, it was completely humiliating.

 

I've said before that it's the biggest PL bottle I've seen and the more I think about it the more that rings true. 2 points gained in games against Watford (relegated), Bournemouth (relegated), Brighton, Everton. So bad 

[Guest SO1]

2 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

What I fear from this side is the lack of bottle and fight. When the going gets tough we crumble. Even against poor opposition. Would like to know how many points we took when we were behind in games. Rodgers seems to be one of those coaches that when it’s going well we look great and when it’s poor it’s absolute garbage. There’s no middle ground. Just how it was when he was at Liverpool. 

Yes it does make a difference when you lose 55 goals to injury and transfer. Did you follow all of Rodgers time at Liverpool.. match for match. Or just read the rags and watch sky sports.

 

[sishades]

13 hours ago, StanSP said:

He isn't yet as good as Ricardo

no one is!

[martyn]

13 hours ago, shailen said:

Am I the only one that's still unsure about Justin. He's got plenty of time to improve but he's not really that composed on the ball. He's solid defensively.

 

Thomas looks a real prospect - I'm really excited about him. I think he could give Robertson a run for his money on assists over the course of a season and he will get better defensively given time. 

I think Justin is composed on the ball, or at least he gives off the impression he wants to play in tight spaces. If he's under pressure in possession, he often looks to use a little bit of trickery or skill to manoeuvre a pass into a team mate.

 

Where he can improve is his quality/final ball in the attacking third of the pitch.

[boots60]

Beating Sheff Utd & Palace & a point against Arsenal

 

Youri deciding to play a bit of football

 

The emergence of Luke Thomas

 

 

 

 

[winteriscoming]

53 minutes ago, SO1 said:

Yes it does make a difference when you lose 55 goals to injury and transfer. Did you follow all of Rodgers time at Liverpool.. match for match. Or just read the rags and watch sky sports.

 

As much praise you give him for the first half of the season you’ve got to criticise him tactically for the second half of the season. I didn’t watch every Liverpool game when he was there but having mates who did they see exactly the same thing happening hear. What possessed him taking nacho off against the mighty Bournemouth god knows. Let’s settle for 1 nil against a side we should of battered second half. 

[Guest SO1]

52 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

As much praise you give him for the first half of the season you’ve got to criticise him tactically for the second half of the season. I didn’t watch every Liverpool game when he was there but having mates who did they see exactly the same thing happening hear. What possessed him taking nacho off against the mighty Bournemouth god knows. Let’s settle for 1 nil against a side we should of battered second half. 

I agree the second half of the season didn't go as well as expected. As far as Liverpool goes I saw Rodgers and the club build something special. Probably the same way you feel about your Premier League title. From Rodgers first day to the last. The build of the first two years are probably the best I've ever seen in football. With all due respect my love of football is looking at the bigger picture of the building of something over time. Not really interested in a blame game based on anecdotal knowledge or lack of understanding football. I seek understanding of the game. The why and the how of things. I realize that I may be in the wrong place. Sorry if I jumped on you a bit. I should stick to transfers.

[Kevin Russell]

Maybe this thread was too early as we are all desperately disappointed with the implosion towards the end.

 

I think BR deserves much credit for the 1st half of the season and a share of the blame for the 2nd half of the season. 
 

i think we had the 7th strongest squad and we finished 5th, which is a positive. However, it was a massive opportunity missed given the position we put ourselves in and the fact that Spurs, Arse, Chels, Utd were all in a bit of a mess for the 1st half of the year.

 

Despite my obvious disappointment, I still think that with a bit of a change in fortune we can rebuild our confidence and show what this side is capable of.

 

up the Citeh!!!

[HighPeakFox]

I simply cannot understand people who need to come into a thread like this and appear to absolutely revel in telling us what a pathetic bunch of bottlers our own team is. What point are you trying to prove? The OP laid out clearly what the thread was about, but no, noisy tantrums must be repeated. 

 

If a 5th place finish and qualification for Europe is deemed 'failure', 'humiliation' and 'pathetic', then God help us when the chips really are down. You people are right, it was a massive let down as it unravelled, it hurt like hell. No amount of foot stamping is going to alter that. Let your self-indulgent trauma go and look for some silver linings, it is far healthier psychologically - things are bad enough in the world as it is.

[foxinsocks]

17 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I simply cannot understand people who need to come into a thread like this and appear to absolutely revel in telling us what a pathetic bunch of bottlers our own team is. What point are you trying to prove? The OP laid out clearly what the thread was about, but no, noisy tantrums must be repeated. 

 

If a 5th place finish and qualification for Europe is deemed 'failure', 'humiliation' and 'pathetic', then God help us when the chips really are down. You people are right, it was a massive let down as it unravelled, it hurt like hell. No amount of foot stamping is going to alter that. Let your self-indulgent trauma go and look for some silver linings, it is far healthier psychologically - things are bad enough in the world as it is.

I worked for a company who dished out company cars... the problem was that most people didnt getvthe car they wanted.  The result was that we spent loads of money p1ss1ing people off.  This is a bit lune or season... we got a place in the europa cup... but by the time we got given it we were hoping for champions league. 

1. This is a great result   2. We could have done even better but our performance fell away... so nothing to learn about for the future.

 

Chelsea got all the way to the cup final... and lost.  Missing out hurts... yet that's what makes winning so good.

 

The important thing is that Brendan and the squad learn from this. 

 

That's it.

Edited 4 August 2020 by foxinsocks

[HighPeakFox]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

I worked for a company who dished out company cars... the problem was that most people didnt getvthe car they wanted.  The result was that we spent loads of money p1ss1ing people off.  This is a bit lune or season... we got a place in the europa cup... but by the time we got given it we were hoping for champions league. 

1. This is a great result   2. We found have done even better but our performance fell away... so nothing to learn about for the future.

 

Chelsea got all the way to the cup final... and lost.  Missing out hurts... yet that's what makes winning so good.

 

The important thing is that Brendan and the squad learn from this. 

 

That's it.

And you add yourself to the list of people absolutely incapable of answering the OP, or just quietly going elsewhere to repeat yourself.

[foxinsocks]

2 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

And you add yourself to the list of people absolutely incapable of answering the OP, or just quietly going elsewhere to repeat yourself.

The positive point is that we will have learned from this.... and posters disappointed about the result should get over it

[HighPeakFox]

1 minute ago, foxinsocks said:

The positive point is that we will have learned from this.... and posters disappointed about the result should get over it

One can only hope so. As for the latter, some people still haven't got over WWII, so fat chance.

[deep blue]

20 hours ago, SuperMike said:

hits the nail squarely on the head. EXTREMELY fearful for next season - as everyone who remembers Peter Taylor's time will also be.

On the other hand, we were disappointing in the season before promotion but the team learned from it and were stunning the next, playing with purpose and confidence.

 

I think our lack of mental strength was what let us down.  My feeling is that the reasons for that were (1) so many young players, and (2) the lack of an influential player who can drive the team from midfield (I'm thinking players with the mentality of Schmeichel and Vardy, but these are not in the thick of things, so can't influence things enough).

 

Hopefully we can get in a midfielder who can pick up the team when needed, and the youngsters can toughen up mentally. It could go either way and I'm edgy about it.

[Captain...]

4 hours ago, Kevin Russell said:

i think we had the 7th strongest squad

That may be true, not calculated myself, but I think we had the 3rd or 4th best first team, but once we got down to squad players our back up players were found badly lacking. That's the difference between us and the "big six", squad depth, one injury and the quality drops off massively, or the difference between last season and 2015/16 we didn't have any serious injuries to derail the season.

[deep blue]

1 minute ago, deep blue said:

On the other hand, we were disappointing in the season before promotion but the team learned from it and were stunning the next, playing with purpose and confidence.

 

I think our lack of mental strength was what let us down.  My feeling is that the reasons for that were (1) so many young players, and (2) the lack of an influential player who can drive the team from midfield (I'm thinking players with the mentality of Schmeichel and Vardy, but these are not in the thick of things, so can't influence things enough).

 

Hopefully we can get in a midfielder who can pick up the team when needed, and the youngsters can toughen up mentally. It could go either way and I'm edgy about it.

Oops, my first sentence replicates Teblin's, which I hadn't seen (honest!).  Still, great minds think alike.