Will Brendan Rodgers be judged on next season's results?

[Gamble92]

5 minutes ago, Webbo said:

And N'Didi for a while, and some of the back ups like Fuchs and Mendy but yeah, missing some of our best players shouldn't affect us at all. How naive of us.

Fuchs and Mendy? You want some more straws to clutch at? We were poor with our strongest eleven for a long long time. Rodgers didnt have an answer for the way teams started to play against us, and he's still yet to come up with one. 

 

I think we'll get a very big shock if we think as soon as we have those players back we'll just start winning again. 

[Webbo]

8 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Fuchs and Mendy? You want some more straws to clutch at? We were poor with our strongest eleven for a long long time. Rodgers didnt have an answer for the way teams started to play against us, and he's still yet to come up with one. 

 

I think we'll get a very big shock if we think as soon as we have those players back we'll just start winning again. 

They were the back ups and they were injured too, that's why we had to play 2 academy players. But look if talking shit makes you feel superior carry on. Nobody will remember this next season.

[Gamble92]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

They were the back ups and they were injured too, that's why we had to play 2 academy players. But look if talking shit makes you feel superior carry on. Nobody will remember this next season.

That happened with about 2 games left. If you think that was the issue then okay.

[FoxinNotts]

Yes.

[Mike Oxlong]

I had thought that he might be judged by whether he had a VPL on match days but looking at the thread title I think the OP might be on to something. 

[cropstonfox]

He will be judged like all managers on our league position by late October. 

This will be based on results  provided by his player recruitment,developmtnt and motivation.Along with tactics and game plans.

We should all be backing him at this stage and hoping for another top 6 finish.

In Brogers we trust .........?

[Grebfromgrebland]

Not strengthening in January while we were looking great was our biggest mistake.  We should have gone all in on improving the squad while our stock was globally really high and got in a proper centre back and winger. 

 

Now with FFP suspended I can't see us competing against the big teams for a while.

[cropstonfox]

4 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Not strengthening in January while we were looking great was our biggest mistake.  We should have gone all in on improving the squad while our stock was globally really high and got in a proper centre back and winger. 

 

Now with FFP suspended I can't see us competing against the big teams for a while.

we can only look forward and trust him 

[Dan LCFC]

Not properly strengthening in the summer, and then again in January both cost us. We never fixed the winger problem yet continued to play with them. We relied on one player largely to score goals so it wasn't a surprise we tailed off a bit.

 

We threw away a lot of points though. 1 point off a Norwich side (who have lost every single game since they beat us by the way), somehow getting crushed by a dismal Bournemouth, blowing it against Watford & Brighton, that's why we've blown it. Four games in-particular we should've won and took 2 points from. That's why we blew it as much as anything.

[Guy]

1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

Not properly strengthening in the summer, and then again in January both cost us. We never fixed the winger problem yet continued to play with them. We relied on one player largely to score goals so it wasn't a surprise we tailed off a bit.

 

We threw away a lot of points though. 1 point off a Norwich side (who have lost every single game since they beat us by the way), somehow getting crushed by a dismal Bournemouth, blowing it against Watford & Brighton, that's why we've blown it. Four games in-particular we should've won and took 2 points from. That's why we blew it as much as anything.

Yet perversely we beat an in form Sheffield United team in that extraordinarily dismal run since the turn of the New Year - the inconsistency needs stamping out next season or I fear we could be in for a mid table finish at best - or even a relegation battle if our form mirrors 2020's for most of next season - especially with Europa League involvement now too - which is a real mixed blessing these days of course!  

[Dan LCFC]

3 hours ago, Guy said:

Yet perversely we beat an in form Sheffield United team in that extraordinarily dismal run since the turn of the New Year - the inconsistency needs stamping out next season or I fear we could be in for a mid table finish at best - or even a relegation battle if our form mirrors 2020's for most of next season - especially with Europa League involvement now too - which is a real mixed blessing these days of course!  

The Sheffield United game was a really good performance and I think arguably our best at home all season weirdly, we could've won that 4/5-0 if Barnes had his shooting boots on. We were really good. Sadly this game was an anomaly. Even the Palace game, a good win but we were gifted two of the goals and I don't think we'd been that good up until we went ahead either.

 

It is a worry, we're banking on a big summer I think.

[Sionnach gorm]

If I know anything about our fan base, anything less than top 8 and we’ll be calling for his head.

[Webbo]

2 hours ago, Sionnach gorm said:

If I know anything about our fan base, anything less than top 8 and we’ll be calling for his head.

We finished 5th and some are calling for his head. 

[tetly]

We should be on course for another good season in my opinion. He’s had a full season to assess the squad, with the right recruitment and a bit of luck with injuries we will be ok. Liverpool lost to Watford and Man City lost to Norwich it happens.

I think the manager knows we need more squad depth, it’s probably harder recruiting the players we would like because other more established teams are also buying that type of player. We were linked to the left back Liverpool are about to buy and the winger Man City brought, we can’t compete if they want them so we look at another option. 
 

[s11nny]

I actually worry for him. The first half of our season was too good for us to repeat. Fans be calling for his head before Christmas.

[Foxin_Mad]

Play some games like we actually want to score and win instead of passing it round at the back, and claiming we had great possession stats.

 

The back half of the season was atrocious which ever way you try dress it up. If we didnt have enough good fit players to beat Norwich, Brighton, Burnley, Bournemouth and Watford that's the managers fault he is the one who is deciding to operate with a lean squad.

 

He will rightly be judged next year, hes been here nearly 1 and a half seasons, he should be stamping is authority on the squad now. 

[Foxin_Mad]

24 minutes ago, s11nny said:

I actually worry for him. The first half of our season was too good for us to repeat. Fans be calling for his head before Christmas.

It's not about being as good as the first half of the season, it's about being mildly competitive in games, winning more than 4 in 6 months. Picking up more than 1 point against Norwich, not losing by 4 at Bournemouth. I think most of our fans expected a slight drop off in form but to go from top 6 to bottom 6 is quite some turnaround. If we had managed to get better results from 3 or 4 shit teams we would have been top 4 easily.

[urban fox]

2 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Play some games like we actually want to score and win instead of passing it round at the back, and claiming we had great possession stats.

 

The back half of the season was atrocious which ever way you try dress it up. If we didnt have enough good fit players to beat Norwich, Brighton, Burnley, Bournemouth and Watford that's the managers fault he is the one who is deciding to operate with a lean squad.

 

He will rightly be judged next year, hes been here nearly 1 and a half seasons, he should be stamping is authority on the squad now. 

 

14 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

Not properly strengthening in the summer, and then again in January both cost us. We never fixed the winger problem yet continued to play with them. We relied on one player largely to score goals so it wasn't a surprise we tailed off a bit.

 

We threw away a lot of points though. 1 point off a Norwich side (who have lost every single game since they beat us by the way), somehow getting crushed by a dismal Bournemouth, blowing it against Watford & Brighton, that's why we've blown it. Four games in-particular we should've won and took 2 points from. That's why we blew it as much as anything.

Is it the managers fault if we cannot secure the targets we want, even if they are available? Did he actually have a budget? Did they want to come here/ could we afford them? deciding to operate with a small squad could be a smokescreen for we ain't got no money to spend.

 

None of us know what the clubs finances are in any detail, what targets the manager and the recruitment team have identified so it is all speculation.  That said results need to improve and we have to get some consistency back or as is the case at every club, the manager will carry the can ultimately

 

[sacreblueits442]

19 hours ago, Webbo said:

And N'Didi for a while, and some of the back ups like Fuchs and Mendy but yeah, missing some of our best players shouldn't affect us at all. How naive of us.

...It is clear that is not what he is saying!!!

  We were just as poor with our full compliment of players and them being available for the end of season games would have made little difference.

 We were, that poor!!!

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

 We were just as poor with our full compliment of players and them being available for the end of season games would have made little difference.

How do you know!!!!!?????

[urban fox]

2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...It is clear that is not what he is saying!!!

  We were just as poor with our full compliment of players and them being available for the end of season games would have made little difference.

 We were, that poor!!!

Cannot agree. Liverpool/man city games aside, our poor run of results coincided with the loss first of Ndidi, vardy, then RickyP and ultimately Maddison/chilwell/fuchs (plus cags through suspension).  We have hardly fielded a fully fit first choice 11 since January. who knows how some of those final few games would have panned out if everyone had been fully fit and available. That is far too sweeping a statement, we could have been far better, or that matter worse.

[sacreblueits442]

16 minutes ago, urban fox said:

Cannot agree. Liverpool/man city games aside, our poor run of results coincided with the loss first of Ndidi, vardy, then RickyP and ultimately Maddison/chilwell/fuchs (plus cags through suspension).  We have hardly fielded a fully fit first choice 11 since January. who knows how some of those final few games would have panned out if everyone had been fully fit and available. That is far too sweeping a statement, we could have been far better, or that matter worse.

...quite clearly you overstating the absences!!!

  The listed players were not all out at the same time and the example of Caglar does not bear scrutiny as he was part of the Bournemouth debacle.

[Mike Oxlong]

Recruitment over the summer is key

 

Whilst Congerton gets a lot of stick it’s well documented that Brendan does at least some of his own scouting. 

 

[Guest SO1]

8 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Recruitment over the summer is key

 

Whilst Congerton gets a lot of stick it’s well documented that Brendan does at least some of his own scouting. 

 

You found Claire!

Edited 10 August 2020 by SO1

[urban fox]

15 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...quite clearly you overstating the absences!!!

  The listed players were not all out at the same time and the example of Caglar does not bear scrutiny as he was part of the Bournemouth debacle.

Never said that they were all out at the same time. Just that our poor run of form started at the same time that we missed certain key players which underlines our lack of depth in those positions. As for Cags, yes he was in the team that day if he had not got himself sent off we may may well have salvaged something and would not have been without him for the rest of the run in.  As i said, there is no way of knowing if we would have been any better or worse with or without those players but it certainly did not help. If you believe that we would have been just as poor if we had our first choice 11 all fully fit during that time then you are entitled to that opinion