Will Brendan Rodgers be judged on next season's results?

[foxinsocks]

3 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

I think there are better managers out there. Unfortunately majority don’t have premiership experience. 

So they would be a risk.... sure there are better people but we cant agree on their names!

[shailen]

Towards the end of the season, it felt like Brendan had conceded champions league when he was talking down our chances. He needs to be more ruthless as despite our injuries we blew it big time. I don't like this perspective thing, as I know 5th is a great finish for the club, but it's not the mentality I want us to have. We should feel more disappointed in losing Champions League then gaining europa league. 

 

He doesn't show this in his interviews as he always comes across as Mr glass half full. It's actually concerning as whilst they are a young group of lads, they do need to realise we can't let a lead like that slip if we want to be considered as one of the best in the country. 

[foxinsocks]

10 hours ago, shailen said:

Towards the end of the season, it felt like Brendan had conceded champions league when he was talking down our chances. He needs to be more ruthless as despite our injuries we blew it big time. I don't like this perspective thing, as I know 5th is a great finish for the club, but it's not the mentality I want us to have. We should feel more disappointed in losing Champions League then gaining europa league. 

 

He doesn't show this in his interviews as he always comes across as Mr glass half full. It's actually concerning as whilst they are a young group of lads, they do need to realise we can't let a lead like that slip if we want to be considered as one of the best in the country. 

I would expect public utterances to be measured.  I truly hope that he is more determined in private.  You make hay while the sunshine .. when you are ahead you press home your advantage ..... or should do.  I am sure Rodgers must be very disappointed with things since xmas

Edited 6 August 2020 by foxinsocks

[Leeds Fox]

On 05/08/2020 at 10:05, foxile5 said:

I think, like every manager, he'll be judged on his results, yes. 

Nigel Pearson gets sacked for anything but results. 

[Guy]

On 05/08/2020 at 10:13, Costock_Fox said:

If you end the season like we have and have a bad to start to a new season, you are under huge pressure immediately.

 

He needs to bring in some new players to freshen it up and hope they hit the ground running or he will be under pressure in my opinion.

Indeed - think Peter Taylor - we dramatically fell off in the league after the infamous Wycombe FA Cup game when all was hunky dory before that - and the bad start to the following season ended his time with us by late September of course.... 

Edited 6 August 2020 by Guy

[The Horse's Mouth]

If an 18 point swing wont get him sacked nowt will, he'll be given more excuses and time than any manager in our history 

[RonnieTodger]

We've been crap since December but it'll depend on their general faith in him. 

 

If we find ourselves in the bottom half after a tough run of opening fixtures, but playing ok then I'm sure he'll be alright. 

 

Really important transfer window. 

[mozartfox]

8 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

We've been crap since December but it'll depend on their general faith in him. 

 

If we find ourselves in the bottom half after a tough run of opening fixtures, but playing ok then I'm sure he'll be alright. 

 

Really important transfer window. 

Agree. this transfer Window may be a defining moment for him.  Get that wrong in tandem with a bad start and it could all go tits up very quickly.  Recruitment Team need to come up trumps. If Congers does not perform, BR will be Donald Ducked.

[Guest SO1]

2 hours ago, mozartfox said:

Agree. this transfer Window may be a defining moment for him.  Get that wrong in tandem with a bad start and it could all go tits up very quickly.  Recruitment Team need to come up trumps. If Congers does not perform, BR will be Donald Ducked.

Had to google it

Edited 6 August 2020 by SO1

[shailen]

6 hours ago, foxinsocks said:

I would expect public utterances to be measured.  I truly hope that he is more determined in private.  You make hay while the sunshine .. when you are ahead you press home your advantage ..... or should do.  I am sure Rodgers must be very disappointed with things since xmas

I hope it's what you're saying and that Rodgers is actually really disappointed with how things ended. I hope he's given the players a proper telling off in private as they should be reminded that we were just well off it post Christmas. 

[volpeazzurro]

18 hours ago, shailen said:

Towards the end of the season, it felt like Brendan had conceded champions league when he was talking down our chances. He needs to be more ruthless as despite our injuries we blew it big time. I don't like this perspective thing, as I know 5th is a great finish for the club, but it's not the mentality I want us to have. We should feel more disappointed in losing Champions League then gaining europa league. 

 

He doesn't show this in his interviews as he always comes across as Mr glass half full. It's actually concerning as whilst they are a young group of lads, they do need to realise we can't let a lead like that slip if we want to be considered as one of the best in the country. 

Absolutely, if you talk glass half full and mediore, that is precisely what you'll attain.

[foxinsocks]

2 hours ago, shailen said:

I hope it's what you're saying and that Rodgers is actually really disappointed with how things ended. I hope he's given the players a proper telling off in private as they should be reminded that we were just well off it post Christmas. 

Me too. Imagine being 38k up in a casino and going home with just 5k.... on the one hand 5k is good. But what might have been.   Look at our form since Christmas... no one can find this acceptable. 

Edited 6 August 2020 by foxinsocks

[OntarioFox]

I'm willing to give him and the squad the benefit of the doubt for that atrocious run of form for three main reasons:

• The injuries were a massive problem for us and exposed a lack of defensive depth that even as fans we probably didn't acknowledge. Beyond Cags and Evans our CB options are not up to scratch against Premier League teams with any pace, as we all knew even after the Sheffield United result
• The squad in most areas is young. This will be the first taste of real dissapointment in the game that the likes of Barnes, Maddison, Thomas, Chilwell etc. have had in their careers, and the overall team mentality has certainly been exposed by the lack of experienced heads - particularly in midfield where it's easy to forget that our kingpin is 23 years old. The manager has to get some of the blame for that, but ultimately the players are the ones with the soft underbelly and - who knows? - maybe a let-down like this will benefit them in the long-run.
• Nigel Pearson suffered an arguably even worse run of form at the tail end of the 2012-13 season (I thought he was a goner when we lost 2-0 at Barnsley and Ben Marshall had a go at the fans), but the owners stuck with him and, after we scraped into the Playoffs that year and endured "Deeney Day" the rest was history (which is where my thinking about this maybe being a character-building letdown for our young squad comes from). Likewise, I know it's a different ballgame entirely, but I see the contrasting fortunes of Watford and Aston Villa this year as being primarily down their opposing philosophies on management. Time will tell.

What i now expect from Rodgers is to A) use this capitulation as a rocket up the arse of the squad to motivate them to improve and B) to do everything he can to bring in a solid CB and an older head for midfield depth this transfer window. For me, a Vardy replacement isn't the priority until next season, so long as Iheanacho is willing to stick around. This squad is packed with goals, but it needs a far more solid backbone.

If we suffer a poor start after he has been given the opportunity to build a squad of his own, then and only then will I have lost faith in him. In the circumstances, while I don't have any illusions of us challenging where we did again next year, anything less than another Europa League finish, plus a solid attempt at the EL itself, will be a failure in my book.

The more worrying aspect is our lack of tactical flexibility since we adopted the possession-based game. Granted, it was largely caused by having a high backline with the collective turning circle of a combine harvester, but when we did try to adopt the counter-attacking style against Man Utd and Tottenham, we got punished.

Edited 6 August 2020 by OntarioFox

[TonyN11]

Let him get on with it. Judge him at Christmas.

I expect we'll still be in the Europa League, top 8 PL and (prepared to bet on this) …. the FA cup

[Fox92]

12 minutes ago, TonyN11 said:

Let him get on with it. Judge him at Christmas.

I expect we'll still be in the Europa League, top 8 PL and (prepared to bet on this) …. the FA cup

Then what. What if we're bottom half or bottom 3? Sack him?

 

Then it goes around again. Next manager gets two years to get rid of deadwood, bring in his players, and win games.

 

I don't disagree with you but if we keep revolving around with giving managers a year/two years before sacking him then there's only one way we're heading and it's not top 6.

 

This squad needs a massive overhaul. I agree with Ronnie that this transfer window is really important but we ain't gonna fix our problems over the course of the next month or so.

 

edit: "Massive" might have been over the top but we need to actually bring in some good players.

Edited 7 August 2020 by Fox92

[urban fox]

All managers are judged by results, rightly or wrongly. If a manager is backed in the market and then fails to get results they will deservedly be looking for another job. Unfortunately, in the fickle world of football, they often end up carrying the can even if given no funds, have half their squad on the treatment table etc.  BR was brought in to move "the project" forward and as such should be given the time and resources to do just that. If (as may well be the case post Covid) funds are not available, then performance targets should be amended accordingly, unfortunately, fans don't seem able to accept this and have over inflated ideas of where we should or should not be. Only the owners, and BR will know what our budget is and what is possible in the transfer window.

 

That said, even if we are unable to add to the squad, we should have enough to challenge the top 6 again if not actually finish there next season. Unless we are actually in danger of getting dragged into a relegation dog fight then BR should be given time. I am a great believer in stability, and history shows us that the most successful clubs in any given era are those that take this route.  Clough at forest, SAF for example built dynasties based on a long term vision. Our most successful periods were also ones where the manager was given time to build, MON, Bloomfield etc and it is the current owners desire to build a sustainable club that bodes well in this respect (although they have shown that they are not afraid to wield the axe when that is threatened).

There are plenty jumping on the bandwagon saying that Rodgers failed to improve the squad in January etc, but we do not know the reasons for that. If we believe what we read our primary defensive target went and got injured, others were priced out of the market etc. The one thing that does worry me at present is the fact that Man city have already picked up two or three players that may have been targets for us this window and we do not seem to be particularly active but we will all have to wait and see

[winteriscoming]

Rodgers nominated for manager of the season........ridiculous. 

[purpleronnie]

3 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Rodgers nominated for manager of the season........ridiculous. 

Why?  He moved Celtic 8 points clear at the top.

[Foxaholic ME]

12 hours ago, urban fox said:

All managers are judged by results, rightly or wrongly. If a manager is backed in the market and then fails to get results they will deservedly be looking for another job. Unfortunately, in the fickle world of football, they often end up carrying the can even if given no funds, have half their squad on the treatment table etc.  BR was brought in to move "the project" forward and as such should be given the time and resources to do just that. If (as may well be the case post Covid) funds are not available, then performance targets should be amended accordingly, unfortunately, fans don't seem able to accept this and have over inflated ideas of where we should or should not be. Only the owners, and BR will know what our budget is and what is possible in the transfer window.

 

That said, even if we are unable to add to the squad, we should have enough to challenge the top 6 again if not actually finish there next season. Unless we are actually in danger of getting dragged into a relegation dog fight then BR should be given time. I am a great believer in stability, and history shows us that the most successful clubs in any given era are those that take this route.  Clough at forest, SAF for example built dynasties based on a long term vision. Our most successful periods were also ones where the manager was given time to build, MON, Bloomfield etc and it is the current owners desire to build a sustainable club that bodes well in this respect (although they have shown that they are not afraid to wield the axe when that is threatened).

There are plenty jumping on the bandwagon saying that Rodgers failed to improve the squad in January etc, but we do not know the reasons for that. If we believe what we read our primary defensive target went and got injured, others were priced out of the market etc. The one thing that does worry me at present is the fact that Man city have already picked up two or three players that may have been targets for us this window and we do not seem to be particularly active but we will all have to wait and see

 I agree our most sustained period was under Gillies who was manager for 10 years  We  were a  joy to watch under  Bloomfield  hewas here for 5 and when saying  we have always been a small  club people forget we paid a record fee for a winger Lennie  glover   and spent heavily and wisely on Sammels  Weller  and the  Birch

[UpTheLeagueFox]

12 hours ago, urban fox said:

The one thing that does worry me at present is the fact that Man city have already picked up two or three players that may have been targets for us this window and we do not seem to be particularly active but we will all have to wait and see

The club might have lined up four or five players and be well down the line with them for all we know.

 

[Japanfox]

On 05/08/2020 at 20:13, Simoken said:

Is this thread title a joke? ofcourse he will ffs, stating the obvious.... k thanks

I like to state the obvious ......k thanks

[Cecchini1976]

On 06/08/2020 at 14:06, The Horse's Mouth said:

If an 18 point swing wont get him sacked nowt will, he'll be given more excuses and time than any manager in our history 

We finished 5th, 2nd best finish in like 60 years. It’s always nice to have a good start to the season, but the table never lies after 38 games and Leicester finished 5th, way higher than what I expected personally. So Rodgers didn’t get the sack for finishing 5th?

[HighPeakFox]

51 minutes ago, Cecchini1976 said:

We finished 5th, 2nd best finish in like 60 years. It’s always nice to have a good start to the season, but the table never lies after 38 games and Leicester finished 5th, way higher than what I expected personally. So Rodgers didn’t get the sack for finishing 5th?

Stop being so balanced and objective. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 hour ago, Cecchini1976 said:

We finished 5th, 2nd best finish in like 60 years. It’s always nice to have a good start to the season, but the table never lies after 38 games and Leicester finished 5th, way higher than what I expected personally. So Rodgers didn’t get the sack for finishing 5th?

The table never lies, the 3rd highest paid manager saw an 18 point swing which makes us the biggest bottlers in the division. 

[Cecchini1976]

7 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

The table never lies, the 3rd highest paid manager saw an 18 point swing which makes us the biggest bottlers in the division. 

So you honestly think the Leicester squad, money we spend on transfers, money spent on wages is that of a top 5 team? Assuming so, otherwise why mention the managers wage? We didn’t bottle it we had injurys and players out of form and found out what we knew all season, the squad isn’t good enough.