Will Brendan Rodgers be judged on next season's results?

[urban fox]

8 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

The club might have lined up four or five players and be well down the line with them for all we know.

 

That may well be the case and I am sure the recruitment team are hard at work. The club seem to like to do their business in private and not make announcements until the deal is done. Anything else of course is pure media speculation 

[The Horse's Mouth]

18 minutes ago, Cecchini1976 said:

So you honestly think the Leicester squad, money we spend on transfers, money spent on wages is that of a top 5 team? Assuming so, otherwise why mention the managers wage? We didn’t bottle it we had injurys and players out of form and found out what we knew all season, the squad isn’t good enough. 

We bottled it lol, players being out of form is literally bottling it lol. Finances mean nothing, we were in the position, we had the squad to maintain a 14 point gap and we bottled it and this manager is being paid more than Jurgen Klopp

[HighPeakFox]

'Literally bottling'

 

 

[Cecchini1976]

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

We bottled it lol, players being out of form is literally bottling it lol. Finances mean nothing, we were in the position, we had the squad to maintain a 14 point gap and we bottled it and this manager is being paid more than Jurgen Klopp

Finances mean everything, better players, better squad. Are you deluded? Obviously you think Leicester are a top 4 team, enjoy Lala land 👍

[Guest An Sionnach]

On 06/08/2020 at 14:06, The Horse's Mouth said:

If an 18 point swing wont get him sacked nowt will, he'll be given more excuses and time than any manager in our history 

Too true , no matter what happens next season , he is here for the long term. We have had far too many short term managers . We need a Gillies or O'Neil.

[Chrysalis]

I learnt at a young age, that if you do more then expectation, then expectation increases.

 

I remember when working at a factory, I was working at a much faster pace than my older colleagues, and was constantly pestered to slow down.  I think within a couple of years this had been noticed by management, and the expected pace from employees increased, this was enforced via a cut in staffing levels, less people doing a job means faster pace required to keep up.  By the time I left I had learnt a lot about expectation from management, especially as by that time I was also attending some manager meetings.

 

This applies to sport as well, so start of season, most people would have been happy with a 5th place finish, that is clear progress from the previous season.  However at the halfway point we were well above that expectation, and from my life experience, I would say that raises expectations for that season.  Yes we over achieved in that half season, but it changed our goal from europa to CL in my opinion.    As I said before, imagine if we said to Claudio at Christmas, "good job, chill for rest of season, we have stayed up", instead we pushed on and went for what was the big prize, expectations do change based on current levels of performance.  If we scraped survival in his first season, ironically he probably wouldnt have got fired when he did, but the fact he won us the title, raised our expectations, and hovering in the bottom half of the table was deemed below par.

 

Its simply how life works.

 

Rodgers wont be immune, even if its costly to sack him, there is no doubt if we start the season on the same form we ended the previous season, he wont make it to Christmas.  He will need to improve.

Edited 8 August 2020 by Chrysalis

[SouthStandUpperTier]

4 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Too true , no matter what happens next season , he is here for the long term. We have had far too many short term managers . We need a Gillies or O'Neil.

Haven't had a manager last more than 5 years since Bloomfield (71-77). Just the way modern football is. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

43 minutes ago, Cecchini1976 said:

Finances mean everything, better players, better squad. Are you deluded? Obviously you think Leicester are a top 4 team, enjoy Lala land 👍

Finances mean nothing when you have a 14 point gap mate, I accept we overacheived and i would take 5th at the start of the season. Its the fact we were in such a strong position that expectations shift, any team should be expected to maintain a 14 point gap. If we had the lowest budget in the league and saw an 18 point swing would you be like "finances yeah, keep him" its ludicrous, results matter 

[HighPeakFox]

I will ask my normal question - BR leaves the job, who do you appoint?

[1972 Fox]

4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I will ask my normal question - BR leaves the job, who do you appoint?

There will be a clamour from many for the '3rd coming' appointment.

 

Not sure myself if it would work but I wouldn't totally rule out that it could happen.

[Beachyboy]

I believe in what he said, there was a discussion before the season with goals and targets, European football was mentioned and achieved making a final wasn't quite achieved the goals for me as a fan would be realistic this season.

 

1) a Top 10 finish- people will maybe expect more, but the league position and goals on that will vary throughout the season

2) Make a final of a cup competition

3) Make the Quarter finals of Europa league.

 

I believe this is realistic but keeps us progressing in the right direction, if we hit 2/3 i'd be happy if we won a cup and finished in the top 10 i'd be buzzing.

[HighPeakFox]

7 minutes ago, Blue Fox 72 said:

There will be a clamour from many for the '3rd coming' appointment.

 

Not sure myself if it would work but I wouldn't totally rule out that it could happen.

That would be peak 'looking back with misty eyes', but I am afraid that the attitude is likely amongst some.

[teblin]

11 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

The club might have lined up four or five players and be well down the line with them for all we know.

 

Other have alluded to this, in terms of a few players in frees.

[Cecchini1976]

43 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Finances mean nothing when you have a 14 point gap mate, I accept we overacheived and i would take 5th at the start of the season. Its the fact we were in such a strong position that expectations shift, any team should be expected to maintain a 14 point gap. If we had the lowest budget in the league and saw an 18 point swing would you be like "finances yeah, keep him" its ludicrous, results matter 

So that points swing happened when players were out of form or injured, all key men. The squad players came in and unfortunately we’re not at the same standard as what the first 11 are capable of. So yeah it comes to finances as with more money = better strength in depth. Just like Man Utd who caught us.  

[SilverFox]

Our own accounts filed in Feb tell us specifically that he will be judged on an almost constant basis...

 

 

[fuchsntf]

11 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Finances mean nothing when you have a 14 point gap mate, I accept we overacheived and i would take 5th at the start of the season. Its the fact we were in such a strong position that expectations shift, any team should be expected to maintain a 14 point gap. If we had the lowest budget in the league and saw an 18 point swing would you be like "finances yeah, keep him" its ludicrous, results matter 

History of any Top European Football league....10-14pts. Means diddly squat, Zilch, Nada..!!! Especially in December January..

Many a Top Team have dropped or just drizzeld points...Lower clubs have Smash & grabbed, grounded out,proudly gathered points....

This consistent discussion over the 14pts gap,is Media Quatsch & fans Fall for it nearly every season,then Build their own Agendas around it...

 

One of the .Major but simple points which are always irritatingly forgotten is....."Thats Football".  & no beds are made until the EOS....

for a small example Not  quite the same gap,Bit   just look at our own Great Escape......

Travelling Living through Europe...quite a few leagues, have seen various top/Bottom Teams Close down/lose  10-16pts...

and that means how many a season have gone under decades of dust....!!!

Edited 8 August 2020 by fuchsntf

[The Horse's Mouth]

23 minutes ago, Cecchini1976 said:

So that points swing happened when players were out of form or injured, all key men. The squad players came in and unfortunately we’re not at the same standard as what the first 11 are capable of. So yeah it comes to finances as with more money = better strength in depth. Just like Man Utd who caught us.  

Injuries affected us post lockdown not before, we were still shit then. Lets not keep the injury excuse going it's a bit cringeworthy and with a squad players in the team we should still be equipped to have beaten Bournemouth, Watford & Norwich if you want to talk finances

[sacreblueits442]

On 06/08/2020 at 20:42, foxinsocks said:

Me too. Imagine being 38k up in a casino and going home with just 5k.... on the one hand 5k is good. But what might have been.   Look at our form since Christmas... no one can find this acceptable. 

..the only problem with your analogy is you could stop and walk away with the money in you pocket!!!

 To have continued to play and lose most of what you have gained was your folly.

  I understand what you mean though and I do not believe our capitulation hurts Rodgers' as much as it should do.

[foxile5]

2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

 

  I understand what you mean though and I do not believe our capitulation hurts Rodgers' as much as it should do.

Yeah agreed. This is what worries me most with him. I'm fully behind him as a manager of our club but just recently his shrug-of-the-shoulders-what-can-you-do attitude towards a significant capitulation is frustrating. 

 

I have, since he joined, gotten tyke impression that he won't hold anyone to account. In order to protect Brand Brendan he will smear expectations and deflect genuine disappointment. 'We can't compete with United' - real handy get out clause. Wonder if he was piping that message to the players on December: 'lads, I know they're 18 points behind us but really we cannot compete with Manchester United this season.' this get out clause allows him to feel comfortable in disappointment and not acknowledge his short comings. 

 

Sometimes it shows a great deal of maturity of professionalism to acknowledge poor decisions. 

[Webbo]

Why do we even bother playing the football? Apparently all you have to do is compare wage bills.

[sacreblueits442]

4 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Yeah agreed. This is what worries me most with him. I'm fully behind him as a manager of our club but just recently his shrug-of-the-shoulders-what-can-you-do attitude towards a significant capitulation is frustrating. 

 

I have, since he joined, gotten tyke impression that he won't hold anyone to account. In order to protect Brand Brendan he will smear expectations and deflect genuine disappointment. 'We can't compete with United' - real handy get out clause. Wonder if he was piping that message to the players on December: 'lads, I know they're 18 points behind us but really we cannot compete with Manchester United this season.' this get out clause allows him to feel comfortable in disappointment and not acknowledge his short comings. 

 

Sometimes it shows a great deal of maturity of professionalism to acknowledge poor decisions. 

..don't hold your breath!!!

[Hoopla10]

On 08/08/2020 at 11:26, The Horse's Mouth said:

Finances mean nothing when you have a 14 point gap mate, I accept we overacheived and i would take 5th at the start of the season. Its the fact we were in such a strong position that expectations shift, any team should be expected to maintain a 14 point gap. If we had the lowest budget in the league and saw an 18 point swing would you be like "finances yeah, keep him" its ludicrous, results matter 

I'm not sure I would call it "bottling it" but it definitely highlights an issue with mental toughness of our players and BR. If we over-achieved in the first half of the season it seems natural that it would balance out over the entire season, which is what happened. We needed that mental toughness and ability to see out games by a single goal, to dig in and just get wins like we did in the title winning season. We also needed a bit of luck. What we didn't need is three of our most important players getting injured and then for the final run out have a makeshift defense. The lack of mental toughness is sort of expected given the age and experience of many of our players. But that's also the good news because hopefully it will come. 

 

I know this opinion wont be shared by many (if any lol) but maybe BR being on such high wages is a good thing. It means the club will want to stick with him for as long as possible and that will give him time to build HIS team. Something more substantial to judge him upon. Next season I just want to see intent and drive. I'd like to see a couple of the younger players come into their own and express themselves. See a couple of leaders emerge. I think BR can do that given time. The points will come and our eventual position with it.  

 

I would like to see the club buy a big player(s) in the summer. Somebody who will boost the moral of the team, show the intent of the club/owners and somebody who'll make an impact on the pitch. Whether that will happen given these times who knows.

[Gamble92]

This stuff about injuries is the biggest smokescreen ever. It's something pundits and some very naive fans have jumped on to because the last few games seen us without Maddison, Ricardo and Chilwell. 

 

The Everton home game that we won last minute was the start of the glaring problems in our team that were never addressed. Either through naivety from the Manager and players or just a belief it was a sticky period we'd eventually come through. 

 

Teams worked us out. There was much more to it than the usual explanation pundits churn out that "teams dropped deeper to stop Vardy". Vardy was getting far more joy playing in a team that played plenty of possession and didn't rely on the ball im behind. 

[Webbo]

Just now, Gamble92 said:

This stuff about injuries is the biggest smokescreen ever. It's something pundits and some very naive fans have jumped on to because the last few games seen us without Maddison, Ricardo and Chilwell. 

 

The Everton home game that we won last minute was the start of the glaring problems in our team that were never addressed. Either through naivety from the Manager and players or just a belief it was a sticky period we'd eventually come through. 

 

Teams worked us out. There was much more to it than the usual explanation pundits churn out that "teams dropped deeper to stop Vardy". Vardy was getting far more joy playing in a team that played plenty of possession and didn't rely on the ball im behind. 

And N'Didi for a while, and some of the back ups like Fuchs and Mendy but yeah, missing some of our best players shouldn't affect us at all. How naive of us.

[UHDrive]

On 08/08/2020 at 09:19, The Horse's Mouth said:

We bottled it lol, players being out of form is literally bottling it lol. Finances mean nothing, we were in the position, we had the squad to maintain a 14 point gap and we bottled it and this manager is being paid more than Jurgen Klopp

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