Premier League B Teams in the EFL?

[twister]

soriano of city wants b teams then

 

What a surprise a club with no soul(manchester city) built on state oil money, wants to try and ruin football even further

 

disgusting football club in every sense of the word.

[davieG]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12098304/efl-not-sustainable-and-should-introduce-b-teams-says-man-city-chief-ferran-soriano

 

EFL not sustainable and should introduce B teams, says Man City chief Ferran Soriano
Soriano on B teams: "Developing players in England where B teams are not allowed, we have a development gap of boys that are 17 or 18, they don't find the right place to develop and for example they are taken from us by the German teams."

Wednesday 7 October 2020 15:51, UK

Manchester City chief executive Ferran Soriano says the English Football League was not a sustainable business even before the coronavirus crisis and suggests now is the time to look at a restructure, including the introduction of B teams.

Many EFL clubs are financially reeling after the pandemic forced the closure of stadiums to fans in March, with the prospect of fans returning looking bleak amid growing numbers of cases across the country this month.

EFL clubs voted against structural reform that would have facilitated Premier League "B" teams in its divisions back in 2016, but B teams have since been introduced to the EFL Cup, while young players from the top tier can gain experience and development via the loan system.

But Sorriano, speaking to sports business conference Leaders Week, said: "One of the challenges is the EFL (is) a business that is not sustainable enough.

"They were discussing ways to improve it, they were discussing salary caps. Now they were sort of nudged, almost pushed, to solve the existing problems because of the crisis. It's a good opportunity for the different elements of the football business to get together and solve these problems.

"There are other problems; the challenges of developing players in England where B teams are not allowed, we have a development gap of boys that are 17 or 18, they don't find the right place to develop and, for example, they are taken from us by the German teams, who try to sell them back to us for a price which is 10 times what they paid.

Soriano said the number of games being played in the English professional game also needs looking at, and that he was "extremely disappointed" at the Premier League decision to revert to three substitutes for the 2020/21 season instead of continuing with five.

"It was a no brainer, even more now that we are playing so many games," he said, after five substitutes were permitted when the 2019/20 season restarted in the summer.

"There was a discussion about a competitive balance issue, which ended up with the Premier League being the only big league that does not allow five substitutions. That's an example of something that goes wrong in my view."

Soriano defended his club's spending in the summer window, which included the arrivals of defenders Nathan Ake and Ruben Dias for a reported fee of over £100m combined.

"Ultimately, if you believe like we believe that Covid is just a period of time, and that we have to carry on with our business, then we have to carry on with our business," he said.

"We believe that revenues will come back. The team is the engine of our business - if we don't play good football, we have no business. We can't negate that, we can't avoid that.

"We have to take some risks and we believe that the risks we have taken are very well measured.

"I know the media just portrays the gross spending on players but you have to look at net spending. We sold a player to Bayern Munich, Leroy Sane, for €49m. We then signed a player, Ferran Torres, for €23m.

"Sometimes these things are out of context. But remember, we need to continue playing good football and if we need a central defender, we need a central defender."

The EFL declined to comment when contacted by Sky Sports News.

[davieG]

Well unless they are going to add a 5th league then allowing B teams will automatically push 20 establish, many long established teams out of the league and probably out of business.

 

As for the 5 subs, well perhaps they can consider making the league more of a level playing field.

 

I also suspect the media focus will switch from the long establish teams to the 'big 6's' B teams just like the Women's league is going because that's where the money for those clubs and the media is, that doesn't make it good for the rest of the football family.

[Fox in the North]

I’d rather less teams than b teams. Will

just dilute “competition” even more and give the big clubs a place to put more players as well as sending hoards on loan.

[StanSP]

No thanks. 

[HybridFox]

Never gonna happen and for good reason. That would be the death of football 

[The whole world smiles]

Shame on this slimey foreign cvnt for trying to push through his own super rich, state sponsored, torture endorsing sham of a clubs agenda through when lower league football is on its knees. Community's and livleyhoods are on the line fuch your b teams. 

[Guest ttfn]

I can’t believe he’s got the brass neck to complain about young English players not being developed.

 

Its clubs like Manchester City (and we are guilty of this too) hoovering up good young talent with no realistic intention of ever picking them for the first XI.

 

In our case this is something we did with George (?) Thomas who’s now at QPR and the lad we signed from Bury last year. These are relatively established players we’ve signed essentially to play for our under 23s. In a properly functioning system they should be developing further in the clubs that they’ve been nurtured at rather than rotting in uncompetitive under 23s football.

 

The solution is not to put the B teams in competitive football, it’s to ensure that EFL community clubs aren’t raided by Premier League clubs for players whose needs are best met by playing proper football rather than having a 1 in 10 chance of making the first team at a Premier League side.

Unfortunately with EPPP and various other measures the FA has introduced apparently to help player development that horse has well and truly bolted.

[davieG]

One could argue these B team players should be learning their trade in the EFL in the teams that already exist instead of being hovered up by PL teams.

[sylofox]

Getting to the point I hate this game. Have no interest in anything other than the City. This just sums up why. Fvcking scum clubs.

[davieG]

28 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Getting to the point I hate this game. Have no interest in anything other than the City. This just sums up why. Fvcking scum clubs.

The fact is we are part of the problem as @ttfn says and I'm sure we aspire to join the elite clubs in being able to hoover up the best young prospects. why else are we building a £100m state of the art training facility. Many LCFCs Fans talk about getting these players into our system. Judging from the comments in the Development Team thread not doing too good a job of it either.

 

It's us fans that have given these people the power to run rough shod over fans - It's all somewhat ironic.

[Foxxed]

The big clubs will get bigger, and the small clubs - led to extinction. These smaller clubs are essential to community.

 

Obviously Man City don't give a shit.

 

The rich clubs get richer, change the rules of the game, and the smaller clubs are blamed for being poor and shit.

[CosbehFox]

The thing is that B Teams rarely work. If a player is good enough at 17/18, he’s fast tracked to the first team. There are a very few B team players at say Barca who’ve played a couple of season there and gone on to be a mainstay in their first team. 
 

If you go down to the three other main European footballing countries and look at their pyramids, at third tier there is in total 15 B teams. The vast majority which is Spain where a huge total 50 teams at that level. 
 

The crowds when they play at away grounds are poor. They are played like friendlies. To be competitive they stock older players in their team. 
 

B teams just don’t work 
 

 

[Steve Earle]

24 minutes ago, davieG said:

The fact is we are part of the problem as @ttfn says and I'm sure we aspire to join the elite clubs in being able to hoover up the best young prospects. why else are we building a £100m state of the art training facility. Many LCFCs Fans talk about getting these players into our system. Judging from the comments in the Development Team thread not doing too good a job of it either.

 

It's us fans that have given these people the power to run rough shod over fans - It's all somewhat ironic.

Absolutely @davieG. Our aspiration as a club is not become one of the PL also rans, nor one of the rich six. 
 

We want (need?) to break the mould. Make the rich six a rich seven, or eight, or nine. It’s the only scenario looking forward that I find both bearable and realistically achievable.

 

Otherwise, what’s the point?

[coolhandfox]

No

[davieG]

15 minutes ago, Steve Earle said:

Absolutely @davieG. Our aspiration as a club is not become one of the PL also rans, nor one of the rich six. 
 

We want (need?) to break the mould. Make the rich six a rich seven, or eight, or nine. It’s the only scenario looking forward that I find both bearable and realistically achievable.

 

Otherwise, what’s the point?

Without at least a semblance of a level playing field it wont happen. UEFA are as much to blame as the rewards for the CL are so vast that expanding that 6  to 7, 8, 9 or more makes it nigh on impossible. 

 

These Clubs well 4/5 of them will continue to draw in the best players from those attempting to join them but then LCFC like the rest that are trying to join them will be drawing in the best of the rest in an attempt to compete. 

 

Not that it's ever been any different it's just that now it's so exaggerated with a much wider gap. Those 4/5 teams also tend to attract the riches owners because the rewards are so much greater for them in 

£££s/trophies/kudos and respectability.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Manchester City Football Club wouldn’t be sustainable either if they didn’t have the Arabian petrodollars used to turn it into a superclub overnight, curry favour with football executives and literally cheat their way to Champions League status, Mr Soriano. How about you get back in your box and help our League 1 and League 2 clubs since, after all, you were one once.

[tylesta]

He says about germans nicking his players yet they spent 40 million on a 20 year old sane!!! Why not give a youth player a try

[davieG]

4 minutes ago, tylesta said:

He says about germans nicking his players yet they spent 40 million on a 20 year old sane!!! Why not give a youth player a try

I actually think some of our English players would benefit more from playing abroad than in the pointless PL2

[NaijaFox]

12 hours ago, davieG said:

The fact is we are part of the problem as @ttfn says and I'm sure we aspire to join the elite clubs in being able to hoover up the best young prospects. why else are we building a £110m state of the art training facility. Many LCFCs talk about getting these players into our system. Judging from the comments in the Development Team thread not doing too good a job of it either.

 

It's us fans that have given these people the power to run rough shod over fans - It's all somewhat ironic.

While I disagree with the proposal for B teams in the EFL...
 

Not sure I share the angst that you and @ttfn have with supposedly “hoovering up” the best young prospects and exposing them to the best training facilities and/or training (including nutrition, fitness, etc.) available, while competing internally and externally against the absolute best prospects in their age groups. Even if they do not break through to the first team, that experience should serve them very well elsewhere, including in the EFL.

 

Edited 8 October 2020 by NaijaFox

[davieG]

Just now, NaijaFox said:

Not sure I share the angst that you and @ttfn have with supposedly “hoovering up” the best young prospects and exposing them to the best training facilities and/or training (including nutrition, fitness, etc.) available, while competing internally and externally against the absolute best prospects in their age groups. Even if they do not break through to the first team, that experience should serve them very well elsewhere, including in the EFL.

Well maybe they should be getting their experience in the real world that is the EFL where their fellow players are playing for their livelihood not some made up league that seems more interested in promoting their existence than providing these players with some real experience. I just believe that to be the case and that PL clubs should spend their money providing better coaching and facilities and these EFL clubs.

 

Keep the PL2 if you like but use it more to give squad players more game time rather than them spending their careers sitting watching others play. Funnily enough like the Football Combination Reserve league that was replaced by PL2

[ARTY_FOX]

No from me. 

[NaijaFox]

24 minutes ago, davieG said:

Well maybe they should be getting their experience in the real world that is the EFL where their fellow players are playing for their livelihood not some made up league that seems more interested in promoting their existence than providing these players with some real experience. I just believe that to be the case and that PL clubs should spend their money providing better coaching and facilities and these EFL clubs.

 

Keep the PL2 if you like but use it more to give squad players more game time rather than them spending their careers sitting watching others play. Funnily enough like the Football Combination Reserve league that was replaced by PL2

You mean it’s not the “real world” to make a good weekly wage and still likely end up in the EFL if you don’t make it in the PL?

 

There are no guarantees in football. Vardy failed in the “real world that is the EFL” as undoubtedly has so many other young prospects. The better training (again, inclusive of nutrition, fitness, etc.) and experience a young prospect receives, the greater his career prospects should ordinarily be. I realize that many FTers are of a certain age demographic, but please let’s not unduly romanticize EFL football. Playing before a sparse crowd in driving rain on a muddy field in some dodgy ground in the lower tiers does little or nothing to enhance a young player’s career prospects or longevity,

 

Edited 7 October 2020 by NaijaFox

[Guest Markyblue]

Go forth and multiply. 

[Vacamion]

 

The only time they would be able to ram something through that is as damaging and unpopular as this would be when the EFL clubs are on their knees and desperate.

 

Poor.