Ben Chilwell

[gw_leics772]

23 hours ago, TeamRocket said:

I know the struggle had a athlete cant name. Crying there eyes out once saying how they would swap jobs with me any day of the weeks cos even tho he has all the money in the world he never gets to enjoy it cos he's cant wait what he wants cant do what he wants or buy what he wants

That sounds an ace story. Please expand on it but work on your sentences cos that ending made my brain bleed 🤣

[gw_leics772]

23 hours ago, kyleolly said:

He’s not great defensively, he’s good at getting forward and his final ball is woeful at times but I’d rather have him at left back than any of our current options!

I'd take catsagne over him any day of the week based on what I've seen at rb, and his motm performance for Belgium at left back! A major upgrade in every department! Harsh but true! 

[kyleolly]

15 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said:

I'd take catsagne over him any day of the week based on what I've seen at rb, and his motm performance for Belgium at left back! A major upgrade in every department! Harsh but true! 

He’s injured 

[gw_leics772]

32 minutes ago, kyleolly said:

He’s injured 

I don't know whether you've noticed but Chilwell isn't even on our books anymore, so I still think based on the availability issue you pointed out Castagne should be more likely it be back available (for us) sooner. 😱🤪😂

[gw_leics772]

23 hours ago, Mr Weller said:

I think some people have got themselves into a bit of hole here. People were annoyed because they were accused of being abusive when they were just giving their views on Chilwell, albeit sometimes in a rather colourful way. Such accusations came across as sanctimonious and over sensitive which provoked a backlash.

 

The story, such as it was, was not about players with mental health issues as some were implying, despite their protestations and attempts to seize the moral high ground, it was about an ex-player who lost his way and a bit of confidence before having his head turned by a large pay cheque that magically restored his confidence again.

Not bad until your final point. Sometimes a fresh start is needed as you need to avoid putting yourself in the same situation. If it happened at kp, why not move away for perceiced career progression, a fresh start, and a hefty payrise. He played a blinder but your final point is disingenuous to put it mildly. And you were doing so well.

[gw_leics772]

22 hours ago, SheppyFox said:

Is this a joke? All players lose confidence, for me sporting confidence isn’t a mental health issue, its a dip in form. Anybody who has had real life mental health struggles will find this irritating at best.

I've suffered from "real" mental health issues and imo they are not subjective. Long term mild depression can be worse than a one off catatonic state. It's not a competition. And reading between the lines it seems like saying it is mental health is stating the bleeding obvious. 

Personally speaking, your post came across like someone lucky enough to not have suffered and ignorant enough to not care for those who do/have.

Not an attack, but definitely a criticism of your post 🤣

[gw_leics772]

22 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

I went to every home game last season from Wolves to Villa and can’t remember any booing. Guess what, when you misplace a pass or shank a cross during a passing move the crowd exhales for a second and that’s with every player. Ben always seems to be an especially weak individual who needs wrapping in cotton wool. This guys got everything in his life going for him and he’s talking rot about how he’s down in the dumps. How about living on minimum wage with kids to feed like some of the people in that stadium.

I guess it depends where you sit? The sound doesn't travel well as we know. I was also at every home game, and I definitely heard it. 

 

As for the rest of your ignorant sanctimonious jealous of success type twaddle.... 

[kyleolly]

21 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said:

I don't know whether you've noticed but Chilwell isn't even on our books anymore, so I still think based on the availability issue you pointed out Castagne should be more likely it be back available (for us) sooner. 😱🤪😂

I just said I’d rather have him at left back than current options ie Fuchs, Justin and Thomas

[SheppyFox]

28 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said:

I've suffered from "real" mental health issues and imo they are not subjective. Long term mild depression can be worse than a one off catatonic state. It's not a competition. And reading between the lines it seems like saying it is mental health is stating the bleeding obvious. 

Personally speaking, your post came across like someone lucky enough to not have suffered and ignorant enough to not care for those who do/have.

Not an attack, but definitely a criticism of your post 🤣

You don’t need to say it isn’t an attack, that’s not important. I’m not going to get into length measuring with you regarding mental health either, you can have the gold medal, your mental health issues can win the competition and are worse than anything I’ll have experienced.

 

It’s possible I’m wrong in my assumption most people with a history of any serious mental health issues would find this irritating.

 

I however certainly think Ben hasn’t got it that bad and performance related confidence is just an occupational hazard for a footballer, not a legitimate mental health issue.

 

edit;

Mark don’t ban me it’s just a debate, whether you agree with me isn’t important, discussion of a disagreement is by definition a debate.

Edited 30 October 2020 by SheppyFox

[Chrysalis]

Has anyone got examples of this abuse? (on the forum)

 

Just to clarify criticising a players poor performance is not abuse.

 

He is doing better at Chelsea but end of the day his performances for us were in between average and poor, he would once every 2 months or so have a good game.  I dont regret the club's decision to sell him, regardless of how well he does for Chelsea.

 

The problem Chillwell had is his poor performances stood out, against Southampton at home he holds the record for the most misplaced passes in the EPL.

 

Probably the manager shoudnt have played him if his mental health made him unfit to play to a competent level.

 

Also its common sense if you have a bad public performance, the last thing you should be doing is reading sites like foxestalk (if thats what he was doing).

 

Until the site moderation forbids it I will criticise members of the LCFC staff if they under perform.  Whether thats at executive level, coaching level or playing level.

 

Have the fan base ever been so attached to a player? Chillwell had a barrier of bodyguard's whenever anyone dared criticise him, the only other player I can recall with that luxury is Barnes.  We now even have this thread, which I dont think I have ever seen before for a player who has left the club.  Just please let it go he is no longer our player, we move on.  I liked Mahrez as our player but I dont go following his social media, stories on him etc. after he left the club.

 

Finally remember its pure speculation as to the cause of his issues, it could well have been training ground issues with other players mocking him, I wouldnt just assume its foxestalk.

Edited 30 October 2020 by Chrysalis

[gw_leics772]

57 minutes ago, kyleolly said:

I just said I’d rather have him at left back than current options ie Fuchs, Justin and Thomas

Fair point but twisting your comments to suit imo. I'd rather have a dead horse than some of the teams we've been forced to play 😱🐴

[gw_leics772]

53 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

You don’t need to say it isn’t an attack, that’s not important. I’m not going to get into length measuring with you regarding mental health either, you can have the gold medal, your mental health issues can win the competition and are worse than anything I’ll have experienced.

 

It’s possible I’m wrong in my assumption most people with a history of any serious mental health issues would find this irritating.

 

I however certainly think Ben hasn’t got it that bad and performance related confidence is just an occupational hazard for a footballer, not a legitimate mental health issue.

 

edit;

Mark don’t ban me it’s just a debate, whether you agree with me isn’t important, discussion of a disagreement is by definition a debate.

Ran. Out of rep points. You deserve it, and mods, I second the call not to ban sheppy and agree its a debate. Its OK to disagree(and also beg for leniency myself 😱😂) 

 

My closing comment seems. To have got your goat, for which I apologise for the misunderstanding. It wasn't aimed at you and was a (possibly misguided attempt at) tongue in cheek comment paying homage to previous "coming together of opposing views/definitely not an argument 🤣) but touché for batting back my accusation. 

 

I think I'm agreeing with @HighPeakFox in that I also think you are wrong in your assumptions and can personally attest to it.

 

I reiterate, please don't ban the man mods, I love his meltdowns during transfer windows and am also enjoying this debate (definitely not an argument) 

 

Believe it or not, there are parts I definitely agree with you more on than hpf's comments, but as I've monopised the thread, I will have to hold back for now, and as good as I'm feeling right now, I've learned that kicking the hornets nest won't do me any favours. 

[kyleolly]

31 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said:

Fair point but twisting your comments to suit imo. I'd rather have a dead horse than some of the teams we've been forced to play 😱🐴

Not twisting anything I’d rather have Ricardo and Timmy as left backs than Chilwell if they where available 

[Hales]

1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

Has anyone got examples of this abuse? (on the forum)

 

Just to clarify criticising a players poor performance is not abuse.

 

He is doing better at Chelsea but end of the day his performances for us were in between average and poor, he would once every 2 months or so have a good game.  I dont regret the club's decision to sell him, regardless of how well he does for Chelsea.

 

The problem Chillwell had is his poor performances stood out, against Southampton at home he holds the record for the most misplaced passes in the EPL.

 

Probably the manager shoudnt have played him if his mental health made him unfit to play to a competent level.

 

Also its common sense if you have a bad public performance, the last thing you should be doing is reading sites like foxestalk (if thats what he was doing).

 

Until the site moderation forbids it I will criticise members of the LCFC staff if they under perform.  Whether thats at executive level, coaching level or playing level.

 

Have the fan base ever been so attached to a player? Chillwell had a barrier of bodyguard's whenever anyone dared criticise him, the only other player I can recall with that luxury is Barnes.  We now even have this thread, which I dont think I have ever seen before for a player who has left the club.  Just please let it go he is no longer our player, we move on.  I liked Mahrez as our player but I dont go following his social media, stories on him etc. after he left the club.

 

Finally remember its pure speculation as to the cause of his issues, it could well have been training ground issues with other players mocking him, I wouldnt just assume its foxestalk.

I'm not getting into a debate with you again about Chilwell after last time 😉😂😂

[gw_leics772]

13 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

This is the guy who had to get off the pitch because he was upset that he was getting some stick from home fans in an FA cup tie at Millwall. I get that having money doesn’t insulate you from the human experience, we hear every day of the soap operas that go on in the lives of the well off, but i expect there to be more of a trigger than Barry from Wigston saying you’re shite when you miss a pass.

Tbf, he was only about 14 at the time, and Bob from Millwall is a dman sight scarier than Barry from Wigston! 😱🤣😭

[gw_leics772]

2 hours ago, kyleolly said:

I just said I’d rather have him at left back than current options ie Fuchs, Justin and Thomas

Current is relative. We're talking 3 weeks! 

[Bezzanator89]

I remember the Southampton game well. Every misplaced pass or cross-field pass he made that didn't find a Foxes player, was met with relentless baying from the crowd, was prevalent in the Kop (specifically SK2). Frustration became moaning, which descended into booing, followed by an ironic cheer if something came off, sometimes from people twice his age that had the maturity of a petulant child. It was shameful.

 

Imagine how it feels for an academy product, at the young age of 23, to be booed by his own fans. Must have torn him up inside, the background behind his sharp decline in form towards the end of his City career is now plain for all to see. Behind closed doors, his mental health was in decline. Behind the fame and wealth from over-inflated pay packets, is a human being with feelings like anyone else. Ben was a victim of his profession, that comes with ridiculous expectations. Hopefully gets the help he needs.

[HighPeakFox]

I've said it once, I'll say it again. There is a world of difference between legitimate criticism and worthless slagging. The issue derives from people not knowing the difference, or conflating the two. I avoid Twitter etc because it is generally cesspit of trolls and bots, and I couldn't quantify how much of what is said here quantifies 'abuse'. However, I've seen and still see plenty that is personal, hateful and otherwise not what I would ever class as 'criticism'.

[kyleolly]

5 minutes ago, gw_leics772 said:

Current is relative. We're talking 3 weeks! 

I’m talking monday

[TeamRocket]

11 hours ago, gw_leics772 said:

That sounds an ace story. Please expand on it but work on your sentences cos that ending made my brain bleed 🤣

Haha sorry am dyslexic

[TeamRocket]

11 hours ago, gw_leics772 said:

That sounds an ace story. Please expand on it but work on your sentences cos that ending made my brain bleed 🤣

Just meant that his live was dictated by someone else and he wanted to be free. To be honest it's the same for a lot the backroom staff too. I did a 3 month sports rehabilitation work placement with a club and I hated it so much being up at 4am to go away games and coming home 2am next day. Telling grown men and women who was on more then me what to eat cos I been told buy head staff too but at the same time eat what they can't eat in front of them. Made me depressed  but at the same time now I understand why athletes get paid what they do to be honest just a shame some people think all they do is kick a ball. 

[gw_leics772]

1 hour ago, TeamRocket said:

Haha sorry am dyslexic

🦶💋.... 😱💩

 

But seriously, please tell as. Much as you can without giving away who or even what sport. This kind of thing fascinates me and is why I like autobiographies of sports people. But not for their acheivements. More to get inside their heads, their fears etc and glimpse a world in which I will never see. 

[deep blue]

I'm intrigued as to what extent the playing and management staff at the club were aware of his difficulties and made any attempt to help him.  Surely his distress would have been obvious, especially to the squad and the manager/coaches.  And also whether there is psychological help on tap at the club now.

 

I wonder, in retrospect, whether it would have been a good idea to give him a month's break away from football completely, or some other way of breaking his routine, to give him a chance to clear the negative feelings from his mind.  He could have been given full assurance that this wouldn't compromise his position at the club.  It might have benefitted the team performances too, having someone with a more positive attitude at LB for a short period.

[Hales]

26 minutes ago, deep blue said:

I'm intrigued as to what extent the playing and management staff at the club were aware of his difficulties and made any attempt to help him.  Surely his distress would have been obvious, especially to the squad and the manager/coaches.  And also whether there is psychological help on tap at the club now.

 

I wonder, in retrospect, whether it would have been a good idea to give him a month's break away from football completely, or some other way of breaking his routine, to give him a chance to clear the negative feelings from his mind.  He could have been given full assurance that this wouldn't compromise his position at the club.  It might have benefitted the team performances too, having someone with a more positive attitude at LB for a short period.

From memory Brendan said at the time that they were providing a pathway of care for him to support him so I'm sure they were all aware.   After a game Brendan also made a point of going over to Ben and putting his arm around him and pointing to him and encouraging people to applaude him. I'm sure the team were behind him 100%.

[TeamRocket]

11 hours ago, gw_leics772 said:

🦶💋.... 😱💩

 

But seriously, please tell as. Much as you can without giving away who or even what sport. This kind of thing fascinates me and is why I like autobiographies of sports people. But not for their acheivements. More to get inside their heads, their fears etc and glimpse a world in which I will never see. 

Well it was when I was doing work placement. I had this athlete who came in about their wellbeing, rehabilitation etc. To be honest half the time I would sit and just listen and feel sorry for them but I remember this one guy, He used tell me, stuff like how he enjoyed what he used to do but when he moved clubs for what would seem peanuts to some clubs was huge amount to him and it became horrible to him as everything was planed from what he had to eat, what he couldn't not eat, when he had to eat, times he would need to be at places, missed birthdays missed family holidays, even being home sick etc. This one time he was crying cos there was so much expected of him by fans, family and friends as everyone saw him as the next best athlete (comparing him to alot of different athletes etc) and he felt like he just couldn't live up to it all, didnt help that his manager was putting pressure on him to (not club manager or coach) and to be honest some of that pressure came from himself to be the best cos he read it on some paper or website. Anyways half the time you do hear it later on when they have left the game and Dont get me wrong some athletes enjoy all that pressure but it made me really appreciate all athletes and for some I always felt like they should be paid alot more cos half the journey that took to away games or even out the UK they had to pay themselves and it can be really had if your a young athlete with having family around. Any who I stop doing all that due to covid and it being workplacement also the course I was doing shut down. Did get asked if I wanted to continue working for this club but I said no just because I was going though some personal issues myself and I just couldn't hack it. As I would spend time with alot of these players/athletes on the road coming home from aways games and competition at 2am only to wake up next morning at 8/9am cos was doing a normal part time job at same time. But like I said their is hell of alot of things that go on behind close doors that fan hardly see and I guess I was lucky to be part of it for 6 month.

 

Ps. Sorry if this his hard to to read