Ozan Kabak

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, kingfox said:

The way he’s been linked numerous times, he just seems to be the obvious long term replacement, hence the mention.

 

He’s got Premier League experience on his side, the other two categories not so much.

 

If we go for a CB with winning mentality, then you’d probably be looking at a stop gap signing.

I do like Tarkowski but I think the value of his experience at the top level is often overstated when essentially it amounts to four seasons as first choice at a team whose style of play is vastly different to our own. Burnley have demonstrated consistently that they aren't going to let him go cheap and though I agree it'd be nice to have a more like-for-like replacement for Evans in the squad I think we have more pressing concerns. It makes more sense to me to look for a cheaper signing this year in the vein of Kabak and gamble on bringing in Tarkowski or someone like him further down the line.

 

Incidentally, one of the things that stands out when reading about Kabak is how people consistently reference his mentality and maturity when talking about his strengths which I think is a very positive sign. Of course it'd be a gamble and could well prove a failure but my instinct is that he would represent a very sensible acquisition at this price point.

[North Leeds Fox]

13m is a steal for a player who could turn into a very impressive defender with the right guidance. Looked good most of the time with Liverpool despite their constant rotation at the back and the new set up where he had to defend a lot higher than he did at schalke. If we get kabak and a right winger, we have had a sensational window. Also very good in the air which is something we have struggled with. 

[Lineker's Left Foot]

7 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Wasn't this the guy throwing doubt on the Daka deal?

Yeah.  He hasn’t said anything credible yet.  @Nannypig7on here seems to be ITK 

[Mike Oxlong]

11 minutes ago, SO1 said:

you forgot.

Huh 🤔 ? 

[Guest SO1]

Just now, Mike Oxlong said:

Huh 🤔 ? 

Never mind

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

3 minutes ago, North Leeds Fox said:

13m is a steal for a player who could turn into a very impressive defender with the right guidance. Looked good most of the time with Liverpool despite their constant rotation at the back and the new set up where he had to defend a lot higher than he did at schalke. If we get kabak and a right winger, we have had a sensational window. Also very good in the air which is something we have struggled with. 

I think it would be a great move for all these reasons. 

 

I think Evans is going to have injury issues, and Kabak'll get time. I am less concerned about the experience level of Fofana and Cags than some. For the most part, they did well when Evans wasn't there (not perfect, but Evans has had some clunkers too).

[Mike Oxlong]

2 minutes ago, SO1 said:

Never mind

Goalie ? 

 

Something else ? 

 

I won’t be offended if I’ve had a ‘mare 

[Guest SO1]

Just now, Mike Oxlong said:

Goalie ? 

 

Something else ? 

 

I won’t be offended if I’ve had a ‘mare 

Sorry it was my "mare" Play On

[Mike Oxlong]

 

Just seen Gareth enjoying a pizza at a local eatery in Woking. Prince Andrew was in earlier but he’s left to go clubbing 

[Guest Kopfkino]

For the price, I can’t see much wrong with the transfer in isolation, I thought he looked really good in some games for Liverpool.

 

But the massive worry is the car crash that could ensue when Evans is out injured. 

[Mike Oxlong]

2 minutes ago, SO1 said:

Sorry it was my "mare" Play On

I’m sure it wasn’t 👍

[Ryy]

9 minutes ago, Lineker's Left Foot said:

Yeah.  He hasn’t said anything credible yet.  @Nannypig7on here seems to be ITK 

Far from it mate 😂

[NewquayFox]

I saw Kabac (on telly) play against us and thought he had a good game, the Liverpool keeper dropped an almighty clanger to gift Vardy a very welcome goal, I think he will be a very good fit into Rodgers squad and at a very sensible price, it’s a YES from me… 

[Lineker's Left Foot]

1 minute ago, Nannypig7 said:

Far from it mate 😂

Ok then, I’ve elevated you to that status then 😇

[Guest SO1]

Just now, Mike Oxlong said:

I’m sure it wasn’t 👍

It was becuase I said so so there... I see red and get excited. Like football spontaneous improvisation doesn't always work out.

[kingfox]

15 minutes ago, Guest said:

I do like Tarkowski but I think the value of his experience at the top level is often overstated when essentially it amounts to four seasons as first choice at a team whose style of play is vastly different to our own. Burnley have demonstrated consistently that they aren't going to let him go cheap and though I agree it'd be nice to have a more like-for-like replacement for Evans in the squad I think we have more pressing concerns. It makes more sense to me to look for a cheaper signing this year in the vein of Kabak and gamble on bringing in Tarkowski or someone like him further down the line.

 

Incidentally, one of the things that stands out when reading about Kabak is how people consistently reference his mentality and maturity when talking about his strengths which I think is a very positive sign. Of course it'd be a gamble and could well prove a failure but my instinct is that he would represent a very sensible acquisition at this price point.

From certain stand points Tarkowski ticks a lot of boxes. The amount of times he’s been linked, he just seems the likeliest long term replacement for Evans. Getting him this summer though seems unlikely, next summer though he could become a free agent. 
 

From a price stand point, Kabak looks a sensible option; however going by what Rodgers has stated of what he wants, Kabak is completely the opposite of what we currently require. 

 

Brendan said he wants players with a winning mentality, have either won something or competed at a high level with their respective teams.

 

He also mentioned wanting experience as we’ve lost Morgan & Fuchs. The only experienced player we look likely of signing is Bertrand.

 

Kabak is 21 years old, been part of a mid table Stuttgart side, been part of a Schalke side that has now been relegated, plus a stop gap loan signing at Liverpool, where he didn’t earn a contract.

 

As I’ve said he’s well rated, but in terms of the type of CB we need right now, he is completely the opposite of what we need.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, kingfox said:

From certain stand points Tarkowski ticks a lot of boxes. The amount of times he’s been linked, he just seems the likeliest long term replacement for Evans. Getting him this summer though seems unlikely, next summer though he could become a free agent. 
 

From a price stand point, Kabak looks a sensible option; however going by what Rodgers has stated of what he wants, Kabak is completely the opposite of what we currently require. 

 

Brendan said he wants players with a winning mentality, have either won something or competed at a high level with their respective teams.

 

He also mentioned wanting experience as we’ve lost Morgan & Fuchs. The only experienced player we look likely of signing is Bertrand.

 

Kabak is 21 years old, been part of a mid table Stuttgart side, been part of a Schalke side that has now been relegated, plus a stop gap loan signing at Liverpool, where he didn’t earn a contract.

 

As I’ve said he’s well rated, but in terms of the type of CB we need right now, he is completely the opposite of what we need.

What we need might well be an experienced centre back who has regularly won trophies and competed at the highest level but there has to be a recognition that that's going to come into conflict with the other thing we need, which is a player who is content to be our third or more realistically fourth choice centre back, represents a substantial upgrade on our current backup options there and is available for a price that reflects the fact we've already spent 40-50 million and are still after a winger. The list of centre backs who fulfil all those requirements is going to be very short or, more likely, blank.

[manders86]

39 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

 

Just seen Gareth enjoying a pizza at a local eatery in Woking. Prince Andrew was in earlier but he’s left to go clubbing 

No sweat....

[kingfox]

9 minutes ago, Guest said:

What we need might well be an experienced centre back who has regularly won trophies and competed at the highest level but there has to be a recognition that that's going to come into conflict with the other thing we need, which is a player who is content to be our third or more realistically fourth choice centre back, represents a substantial upgrade on our current backup options there and is available for a price that reflects the fact we've already spent 40-50 million and are still after a winger. The list of centre backs who fulfil all those requirements is going to be very short or, more likely, blank.

The way Rodgers has talked about his plans, a stop gap signing on a year/2 year contract would be sensible, just like with Bertrand but a CB. 

 

A big reason why we missed out on top 4 was the lack of depth, lack of winners and a lack of experience. You lose two experienced players in Morgan & Fuchs, it makes zero sense to replace them with youngsters.

 

If we sold Soyuncu or Fofana for example, I’d expect us to go after Kabak in a heartbeat, at this moment in time though it doesn’t make sense.

 

You either get in a stop gap signing like Gary Cahill or Jose Fonte, then wait till next summer regarding Tarkowski or someone else.

 

Or you get a long term signing this summer, who fits in with what Rodgers wants, and in that case Joachim Andersen would make perfect sense.

[moore_94]

16 minutes ago, kingfox said:

The way Rodgers has talked about his plans, a stop gap signing on a year/2 year contract would be sensible, just like with Bertrand but a CB. 

 

A big reason why we missed out on top 4 was the lack of depth, lack of winners and a lack of experience. You lose two experienced players in Morgan & Fuchs, it makes zero sense to replace them with youngsters.

 

If we sold Soyuncu or Fofana for example, I’d expect us to go after Kabak in a heartbeat, at this moment in time though it doesn’t make sense.

 

You either get in a stop gap signing like Gary Cahill or Jose Fonte, then wait till next summer regarding Tarkowski or someone else.

 

Or you get a long term signing this summer, who fits in with what Rodgers wants, and in that case Joachim Andersen would make perfect sense.

Joachim Andersen isn't going to come to us to be a backup/rotation player when he could get the exact same role at one of the big clubs interested in him for much more money

 

He would also cost twice as much as Kabak, and at a time where we will also probably be spending some money on a right winger, we can't really afford to go out spending £25m on Andersen

 

Rodgers and the scouting team could feel that signing someone like Kabak for just £12m is just too good an opportunity to miss out on, we have tracked him for a while remember

Edited 12 July 2021 by moore_94

[scinnell]

We need clarification from Fab

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, kingfox said:

The way Rodgers has talked about his plans, a stop gap signing on a year/2 year contract would be sensible, just like with Bertrand but a CB. 

 

A big reason why we missed out on top 4 was the lack of depth, lack of winners and a lack of experience. You lose two experienced players in Morgan & Fuchs, it makes zero sense to replace them with youngsters.

 

If we sold Soyuncu or Fofana for example, I’d expect us to go after Kabak in a heartbeat, at this moment in time though it doesn’t make sense.

 

You either get in a stop gap signing like Gary Cahill or Jose Fonte, then wait till next summer regarding Tarkowski or someone else.

 

Or you get a long term signing this summer, who fits in with what Rodgers wants, and in that case Joachim Andersen would make perfect sense.

The main problem for me was the gulf in quality between our first choice team and our squad options and Kabak would in my opinion go much further towards remedying that than someone like Cahill would. I'm not sure you can point out Schalke's relegation and Kabak's time in mid-table sides as reasons why he wouldn't make sense and then put forward Andersen as someone who would given that his incredible success-laden career so far has been spent at mid-table Twente, Lyon who finished 7th and relegated Fulham.

 

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[kingfox]

3 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Joachim Andersen isn't going to come to us to be a backup/rotation player when he could get the exact same role at one of the big clubs interested in him for much more money

 

He would also cost twice as much as Kabak, and at a time where we will also probably be spending some money on a right winger, we can't really afford to go out spending £25m on Andersen

 

Rodgers and the scouting team could feel that signing someone like Kabak for just £12m is just too good an opportunity to miss out on, we have tracked him for a while remember, he has been tracked for a while

Considering he wasn’t a regular starter with Lyon, going to the likes of Chelsea or Man Utd, he’d probably be in the same boat, same if he comes to us. Good depth is needed though if we want to get top four, just look at the teams around us for example, even someone like Everton have good depth at CB. 

 

In terms of Kabak, price wise it would be sensible, what Rodgers stated at the end of the season though, it would make zero sense, as Kabak doesn’t fit the bill of the types of player Rodgers said he wanted.

[KingsX]

3 hours ago, moore_94 said:

Played every single game for Liverpool when he was available.

 

I watched several of Liverpool’s matches with Kabak.  Their back line (him definitely included) were a car crash in the first few, but I thought he looked considerably better toward the end of the season.

 

If that’s part of his PL acclimatization already under his belt -- and under the microscope there -- I’m more than willing to trust the club’s judgment in acquiring him.

[turlo]

11 minutes ago, scinnell said:

We need clarification from Fab

he just briefly mentioned it on his podcast. i didn't catch it all but he mentioned Leicester and then Kabak is looking for a new club