moore_94 Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, kingfox said: Considering he wasn’t a regular starter with Lyon, going to the likes of Chelsea or Man Utd, he’d probably be in the same boat, same if he comes to us. Good depth is needed though if we want to get top four, just look at the teams around us for example, even someone like Everton have good depth at CB. In terms of Kabak, price wise it would be sensible, what Rodgers stated at the end of the season though, it would make zero sense, as Kabak doesn’t fit the bill of the types of player Rodgers said he wanted. They may well have good depth at CB, but they have absolutely shocking depth around the rest of their squad compared to us, pretty much the only teams that are going to have better depth than us are the big 6, but it helps they can go out and spend £30m on depth players, we aren't able to do that. Spending that much money on someone like Andersen could massively dent the chances of us getting a quality right winger in for all we know, which in my opinion is much more important than splashing on a back up centre back. Squad requirements and preferences change all the time, all well and good wanting a certain kind of player, completely different as to whether they are available for suitable cost and would actually be possible. Rodgers is going to have certain players he wants, if Kabak comes in, it will be because he is happy for him to come into the squad and is a suitable option for his preferences. Edited 12 July 2021 by moore_94 2 1
FoxesWalk Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 (edited) Fab on Kabak just now, doesn’t really help: Edited 12 July 2021 by FoxesWalk
escape2victory Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 So with this potential transfer it will take our summer spend to approx £60m, so I really can’t see us spending another £20-£30m on a winger, unless we were to sell a player for around £60m 😉
kingfox Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 3 minutes ago, Guest said: The main problem for me was the gulf in quality between our first choice team and our squad options and Kabak would in my opinion go much further towards remedying that than someone like Cahill would. I'm not sure you can point out Schalke's relegation and Kabak's time in mid-table sides as reasons why he wouldn't make sense and then put forward Andersen as someone who would given that his incredible success-laden career so far has been spent at mid-table Twente, Lyon who finished 7th and relegated Fulham. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. We’re getting in Bertrand though, who fits the exact bill that someone like Gary Cahill would do. Rodgers said he wants winners and experience, Bertrand is a sensible signing in that regard, hence why Rodgers is getting him. The same applies to someone like Cahill or Fonte, because they tick all the boxes of the types of player Rodgers said he wanted. Lyon > Stuttgart & A relegated Schalke. Andersen has more experience, plus he has the leadership qualities that we need right now. 1
Fox in the house Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 29 minutes ago, Bert said: Still bemused as to how it wasn’t With you on that one nasty!! It would be interesting if someone could make a video of all there fouls dirty tricks, feigning injuries, dark arts, etc and name it how we won euro 2020. Ha ha!
kingfox Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 8 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Rodgers is going to have certain players he wants, if Kabak comes in, it will be because he is happy for him to come into the squad and is a suitable option for his preferences. Yep, he’s already said what he wants. 1. Players who have won something 2. Players who have competed at the top end with their respective teams 3. Experience Daka - Constant league winner with Salzburg. Soumare - Just won Ligue 1 with Lille. Bertrand - Experienced, won trophies with Chelsea. Kabak at this moment in time doesn’t make sense, we’ve lost key experience, let’s replace them with a 21 year old
jeffschlupp Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 4 minutes ago, kingfox said: Yep, he’s already said what he wants. 1. Players who have won something 2. Players who have competed at the top end with their respective teams 3. Experience Daka - Constant league winner with Salzburg. Soumare - Just won Ligue 1 with Lille. Bertrand - Experienced, won trophies with Chelsea. Kabak at this moment in time doesn’t make sense, we’ve lost key experience, let’s replace them with a 21 year old Just because he said he wants those three things, doesn't mean he needs those things from every single player we sign. I'd love to know who your targets on the right wing would be if you have to stick to any one of those three points 4
Popular Post moore_94 Posted 12 July 2021 Popular Post Posted 12 July 2021 Just now, kingfox said: Yep, he’s already said what he wants. 1. Players who have won something 2. Players who have competed at the top end with their respective teams 3. Experience Daka - Constant league winner with Salzburg. Soumare - Just won Ligue 1 with Lille. Bertrand - Experienced, won trophies with Chelsea. Kabak at this moment in time doesn’t make sense, we’ve lost key experience, let’s replace them with a 21 year old How does Joachim Andersen fit into that then? 1. He has never won a trophy - Kabak has won a Turkish League title 2. Andersen has played for mid table FC Twente, mid table Sampdoria, a Lyon side that finished 7th where he played 18 league games, and a relegated Fulham 3. Andersen has just 140 senior league appeances to his name at 25 years old - I wouldn't say that is particularly experienced 5
FoxinNotts Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 21 minutes ago, escape2victory said: So with this potential transfer it will take our summer spend to approx £60m, so I really can’t see us spending another £20-£30m on a winger, unless we were to sell a player for around £60m 😉 With Kabak the spend would be approx £52m (if quoted prices are to be believed). If that’s the case, and we sell Hamza £15m, Ghezzal £5m, Benkovic £3m and say Danny Ward for £15m 👀 that’s a net spend of just £14m. I still think we could buy a winger/attacking mid or definitely take one on loan with a view to buy, no problem 😉, without having to lose the likes of Madders or Youri 2
Attywolf Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 10 minutes ago, kingfox said: Yep, he’s already said what he wants. 1. Players who have won something 2. Players who have competed at the top end with their respective teams 3. Experience Daka - Constant league winner with Salzburg. Soumare - Just won Ligue 1 with Lille. Bertrand - Experienced, won trophies with Chelsea. Kabak at this moment in time doesn’t make sense, we’ve lost key experience, let’s replace them with a 21 year old Kabak has experience with winning a title and has been playing since he was 17. Experience isn't just age 1
sphericalfox Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 5 minutes ago, moore_94 said: How does Joachim Andersen fit into that then? 1. He has never won a trophy - Kabak has won a Turkish League title 2. Andersen has played for mid table FC Twente, mid table Sampdoria, a Lyon side that finished 7th where he played 18 league games, and a relegated Fulham 3. Andersen has just 140 senior league appeances to his name at 25 years old - I wouldn't say that is particularly experienced Poster has boner for player no one else is mentioning, and one we've not been remotely linked to. Spends much of their posts downtalking alternatives and possibly better linked options to feel better. 1 1
Babylon Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 A lot of a Liverpool fans quite complimentary from what I’ve seen. 1
teblin Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 15 minutes ago, kingfox said: Yep, he’s already said what he wants. 1. Players who have won something 2. Players who have competed at the top end with their respective teams 3. Experience Daka - Constant league winner with Salzburg. Soumare - Just won Ligue 1 with Lille. Bertrand - Experienced, won trophies with Chelsea. Kabak at this moment in time doesn’t make sense, we’ve lost key experience, let’s replace them with a 21 year old He also mentions more physical presence, he fits into that one.
sphericalfox Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 Just now, Babylon said: A lot of a Liverpool fans quite complimentary from what I’ve seen. Once he settled and had a continuity in the person he was playing with, he vastly improved. I'm not sure why Liverpool didn't pick him up, but I think with two CBs coming back from injury, they'd have a surplus, and it was always a temporary stopgap for them. 1
kingfox Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 6 minutes ago, moore_94 said: How does Joachim Andersen fit into that then? 1. He has never won a trophy - Kabak has won a Turkish League title 2. Andersen has played for mid table FC Twente, mid table Sampdoria, a Lyon side that finished 7th where he played 18 league games, and a relegated Fulham 3. Andersen has just 140 senior league appeances to his name at 25 years old - I wouldn't say that is particularly experienced There’s a reason why some fans have mentioned Andersen, myself included, because he has the leadership skills that we desperately need right now. When Evans is out, he’d be a far better option than Kabak. He was Fulham’s captain, Lyon despite finishing 7th that season are a Champions League quality team, he has more experience, plus he’s just been part of a Denmark side that reached the Semis of the Euros. There’s a reason why the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea & Spurs are after him. 10 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said: Just because he said he wants those three things, doesn't mean he needs those things from every single player we sign. I'd love to know who your targets on the right wing would be if you have to stick to any one of those three points We certainly need one of those three things at CB though. We’ve lost Wes, you take Evans out of the equation also, then we’re littered with inexperience and a lack of leaders. We need more experience & leadership, Rodgers has said that himself, it’s staring us right in the face, signing young talent is all well and good, but at this moment in time for the CB position it isn’t the answer.
kingfox Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 9 minutes ago, sphericalfox said: Poster has boner for player no one else is mentioning, and one we've not been remotely linked to. Spends much of their posts downtalking alternatives and possibly better linked options to feel better. Apologies for wanting a player who fits the bill more than Kabak. Just look back a few pages or on the Who do you want thread, you’ll see Andersen’s name mentioned by others 👍🏻 Downtalking? I’ve said Kabak is well rated, I’ve said price wise it would be a sensible signing. However at this moment in time, he doesn’t fit the bill on what we need to acquire.
moore_94 Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, kingfox said: There’s a reason why some fans have mentioned Andersen, myself included, because he has the leadership skills that we desperately need right now. When Evans is out, he’d be a far better option than Kabak. He was Fulham’s captain, Lyon despite finishing 7th that season are a Champions League quality team, he has more experience, plus he’s just been part of a Denmark side that reached the Semis of the Euros. There’s a reason why the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea & Spurs are after him. We certainly need one of those three things at CB though. We’ve lost Wes, you take Evans out of the equation also, then we’re littered with inexperience and a lack of leaders. We need more experience & leadership, Rodgers has said that himself, it’s staring us right in the face, signing young talent is all well and good, but at this moment in time for the CB position it isn’t the answer. Where are you expecting us to pull out £25m from for a rotation centre back? Do you not think if we were able to spend that kind of money a deal would be all sorted by now for someone like Tarkowski who we have actually been linked with and tracked for years? Other than a very tentative link back in April, there has been nothing to suggest Andersen is even on our radar (likely because he can get himself a much better paying contract for the exact same role at a much bigger club - entirely possible he would go to Spurs and be a starter) All well and good being thoughtful about the type of player that we need, but you need to be reasonable when it comes to the kind of player that it is actually going to be possible for us to sign when we still have more important positions to buy for Edited 12 July 2021 by moore_94 1
UHDrive Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 1 hour ago, kingfox said: The way Rodgers has talked about his plans, a stop gap signing on a year/2 year contract would be sensible, just like with Bertrand but a CB. A big reason why we missed out on top 4 was the lack of depth, lack of winners and a lack of experience. You lose two experienced players in Morgan & Fuchs, it makes zero sense to replace them with youngsters. If we sold Soyuncu or Fofana for example, I’d expect us to go after Kabak in a heartbeat, at this moment in time though it doesn’t make sense. You either get in a stop gap signing like Gary Cahill or Jose Fonte, then wait till next summer regarding Tarkowski or someone else. Or you get a long term signing this summer, who fits in with what Rodgers wants, and in that case Joachim Andersen would make perfect sense. Crickey man, I've came to get my evening FT catchup and you seem to be posting like your on steroids about experience 🤔
Tielemans63 Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 50 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said: Fab on Kabak just now, doesn’t really help: So, he hasn't got a bloody clue about this transfer then. Obviously the super ITK can't be seen to say 'I've no idea'
Dahnsouff Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 This is the guy to give us the numbers/depth until the next experienced head becomes available. If I had to guess. 1
sphericalfox Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 4 minutes ago, kingfox said: Apologies for wanting a player who fits the bill more than Kabak. Just look back a few pages or on the Who do you want thread, you’ll see Andersen’s name mentioned by others 👍🏻 Downtalking? I’ve said Kabak is well rated, I’ve said price wise it would be a sensible signing. However at this moment in time, he doesn’t fit the bill on what we need to acquire. You always post the same way every year when the transfer window opens. Relentlessly. Repetition doesn't advance your arguments, and you're regularly blindsided by your own self-belief. 'what we need to acquire' That above is an opinion, and you're definitely not an authority.
kingfox Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 6 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Where are you expecting us to pull out £25m from for a rotation centre back? Do you not think if we were able to spend that kind of money a deal would be all sorted by now for someone like Tarkowski who we have actually been linked with and tracked for years? Other than a very tentative link back in April, there has been nothing to suggest Andersen is even on our radar (likely because he can get himself a much better paying contract for the exact same role at a much bigger club - entirely possible he would go to Spurs and be a starter) All well and good being thoughtful about the type of player that we need, but you need to be reasonable when it comes to the kind of player that it is actually going to be possible for us to sign when we still have more important positions to buy for If we want to compete with those around us and have the ability to get top four, then those are the types of signings we need to be making. I mentioned Everton for a reason, because they not only have depth at CB, they spent 20-25 million on the likes of Ben Godfrey, who has turned out to be a fantastic signing for them. Tarkowski hasn’t been straightforward, we all know that, Burnley have been quoted to wanting 40 million for him, nobody is going to pay that for him. I and a few others have just thrown Andersen out there because of curiosity, because we know he’s available and in some aspects he’d fit the bill. As I’ve said already, you either get a stop gap CB on a free like we’re doing with Bertrand, or you go out and spend on a long term option now 🤷♂️
MGLCFC Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 1 minute ago, kingfox said: If we want to compete with those around us and have the ability to get top four, then those are the types of signings we need to be making. I mentioned Everton for a reason, because they not only have depth at CB, they spent 20-25 million on the likes of Ben Godfrey, who has turned out to be a fantastic signing for them. Tarkowski hasn’t been straightforward, we all know that, Burnley have been quoted to wanting 40 million for him, nobody is going to pay that for him. I and a few others have just thrown Andersen out there because of curiosity, because we know he’s available and in some aspects he’d fit the bill. As I’ve said already, you either get a stop gap CB on a free like we’re doing with Bertrand, or you go out and spend on a long term option now 🤷♂️ Couldn't Kabak be a good signing for us, at half the price. Same sort of risk as Godfrey was for Everton.
kingfox Posted 12 July 2021 Posted 12 July 2021 13 minutes ago, sphericalfox said: You always post the same way every year when the transfer window opens. Relentlessly. Repetition doesn't advance your arguments, and you're regularly blindsided by your own self-belief. That above is an opinion, and you're definitely not an authority. It wouldn’t be relentless if people didn’t reply to me, I just reply back, that’s how a forum works. It’s not an opinion, I’m just going by what Rodgers said he wanted. That’s where my argument lies, yet some fans can’t seem to fathom why signing a 21 year old, when we’ve lost experience and lack leadership, may not be the best idea at this moment in time.
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